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D23 schedule: Force Awakens, Civil War, Through the Looking Glass, Jungle Book etc.

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atr0cious said:
I think you're overlooking the entire point of the movie, whic is that the status quo doesn't exist. They're already superheroes, and they have to do the status quo, but hate every moment of it. The dad ends up doing the stereotypical dad thing of leaving to "feel like a man" again, which was being himself. Even Sam L J's character is the tropish sheepish former hounddog who needs permission for his super suit. The movie ends when everyone realizes the status quo should be everyone working together hand in hand. I thought the movie was pretty heavy handed about this, especially with it being old school art deco to inform the world, while leaning on modern sci-fi to inform the characters, which is what BrodieSyndrome was all about.
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You kinda latched onto one tiny point of my post without actually addressing the sexism problem. Yes, that's the point of the movie, but it all revolves around Bob narratively, and none of the female characters outside Edna(maybe not even her) get to breathe their own narrative space without the shadow of Bob's looming over them. They're all there to inform his story. Violet kinda gets her own narrative, but it really comes off like "to be truly happy, you should look and act like everyone else instead of being a gross, depressing emo! That's how you can be yourself!" Plus it's hard to see the family working together and not feel like it's "the power of the perfect nuclear family! Other family structures can't do what WE CAN DO!" The end message is great, but the journey to get there is Bob's, and it's just too bad they had to use the nuclear family setup to do it. On the other hand, I get that they did it because it's a team movie too. A few Pixar movies are hidden Dad movies anyway. Monsters Inc. Finding Nemo. Up. I dunno.

I'm just saying. I hope Incredibles 2 focuses on Helen narratively, and it's not something like: she's having doubts about being happy as a married woman! She needs time away from her superkids! But by the end of the movie, she'll come back around and realize that family is what REALLY matters.

Also, I don't want to shit up the thread, so I'll discuss this another time in PM if you want. I kinda need to rewatch this movie as it's not all as fresh in my head as it should be. Or maybe it can get moved to the Pixar-specific thread. I dunno.
 
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The Last Wizard said:
When do we get kh3 info?
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We kinda got some KH3 news today. We now know the Tangled world is called "Kingdom of Corona"

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ViewtifulJC said:
gotta be honest, I stop reading in the first three paragraphs. This is awful. Its like the worst kind of way to approach movies, seeing if they align with your political preferences and walking in with pre-set agendas.
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People can often tell if they'll like a movie or story based on what it is, but that doesn't mean the movie can't surprise you. That's why it's best to reserve judgment til you've seen it. It's the reason I went to see Inside Out, hoping for something truly interesting. I didn't think it was, but I tried it. In this case, the movie did everything the writer feared it would. I believe the argument and criticism put forward holds weight, but to each their own. It's not just about agendas. The writer had a certain type of story and movie they didn't want to see for valid reasons.
 
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I kind of get your grievance with Bob being the center of the movie, being we live in a man's world, but I think the movie is using that as well. Bob shuts the family out, doesn't see them, just does the man's role. Dash can't be himself, because he hasn't learned to control his powers, and because of Dash, Violet's too old to properly integrate into any school ecosystem. All of this, still, is the fault of their parent's for spawning them powers, and Bob not being around to help them get comfortable with them, which is explicitly shown at the end.
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Violet kinda gets her own narrative, but it really comes off like "to be truly happy, you should look and act like everyone else instead of being a gross, depressing emo! That's how you can be yourself!"
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This is kind of unfair, as I feel the film was showing that Violet was only emo because of low self esteem. Once she gets confidence, she is bright and people want to be around her, which is one of the cliche opposite tropes of invisible power users.

Plus it's hard to see the family working together and not feel like it's "the power of the perfect nuclear family! Other family structures can't do what WE CAN DO!" The end message is great, but the journey to get there is Bob's, and it's just too bad they had to use the nuclear family setup to do it.
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I think if anything, this message is for Dad's who are blaze about their already having a nuclear family. In the film I think the second half of the movie is telling Bob he can be himself with his family because they are superheroes too.

On the other hand, I get that they did it because it's a team movie too. A few Pixar movies are hidden Dad movies anyway. Monsters Inc. Finding Nemo. Up. I dunno.
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I'm glad you noted this, because yes, a lot of Pixar movies are about single parents, most notably the Toy Story franchise. So not hammering on the dad, but making him see why he could actually find value in himself in such a unit, especially when its usually portrayed, with the mom being the only one with her shit together.


I'm just saying. I hope Incredibles 2 focuses on Helen narratively, and it's not something like: she's having doubts about being happy as a married woman! She needs time away from her superkids! But by the end of the movie, she'll come back around and realize that family is what REALLY matters.

Also, I don't want to shit up the thread, so I'll discuss this another time in PM if you want. I kinda need to rewatch this movie as it's not all as fresh in my head as it should be. Or maybe it can get moved to the Pixar-specific thread. I dunno.
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I hope they focus on the family, and put more color in than angry meme guy, but that's asking a lot, so I just hope it's well written, which is more than enough work for them as it is. But yea understood, PM if you'd like, I'm all about film, so I kind of had to respond.
 
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ViewtifulJC said:
gotta be honest, I stop reading in the first three paragraphs. This is awful. Its like the worst kind of way to approach movies, seeing if they align with your political preferences and walking in with pre-set agendas.
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Not if it goes so far off what the reviewer in question enjoys in a movie or feels comfortable with that they have to critique it, regardless of quality.
 
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PercheD for the news on the casting of Moana. Hoping they chose Dinah Jane Hansen of Fifth Harmony. She can sing, and she's Polynesian, and she was trying out for the role. So we'll see.
 
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Shakira is providing a voice for Zootopia.... so that's cool, I guess.
Edit: She also sings a song in the movie called "Try Anything". Let it Go 2.0 right there.
 
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So at what point are we going to be done with the Tangled/Frozen formula of 3D snarky Dreamworks-like movies with one-word adjective titles?
 
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