Both of them surviving, which might actually happen lol
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Danganronpa 3 The End of Hope's Peak Academy |OT| Nagito Komaeda's Wild Ride Part Two
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Both of them surviving, which might actually happen lol
Chiaki. As much as I want Hajime to be happy, Chiaki needs to stay dead.
QuiteWhittle
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There will definitely be a subversion of the previous games' trends. Maybe something involving the detective too.
I'd have no problem with something like that but I don't know if I want to play as someone called "Hope".
Makoto surviving.
Either one is stupid, but they're both surviving.
Chiaki's consciousness downloaded in Kyoko's body.
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TBH, I think Chiaki is the better choice for survival. I want Hajime to be brought back, and I think Chiaki would be the most sensible one to pull that off. If Kyoko survives, it will just be to make fans feel better. Makoto doesn't need her - I mean, he does - but he's demonstrated that he can survive her death, just as he survived Sayaka's.
Random also but
I'm so mad that Miaya wasn't a villain
It'd be such a cool swerve if Miaya was responsible for interfering with Tengan's plans with the NG codes, but Monaca ended up killing her.
Random also but
I'm so mad that Miaya wasn't a villain
It'd be such a cool swerve if Miaya was responsible for interfering with Tengan's plans with the NG codes, but Monaca ended up killing her.
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Nah, Nagito and Kazuichi
And then Hajime gives her back her hairpin and breaks the brainwashing
Don't think Clover and Alice were ever said to be there. It just teased at a possibility to send people back.
The Another Time ending might as well be considered a non-canon visual explanation of what happened after the events of VLR, which ZTD instead does in the form of those archive logs. The most significant thing it does to ZTD is hint at the game's main overarching theme which was the deconstruction of multiple timeline stories.
I have a weird feeling about Brother/Delta since even though I think the game managed to wrap the entire series full circle, I don't think there was any possibility of any answer being a satisfying one. A traditional "villain" type character has never suited the series.
And I don't think anyone is really cool with Mira. She went to jail, although arguably speaking the game kind of poops over itself by the post-game proving that Eric and Mira didn't really learn anything.
The Another Time ending might as well be considered a non-canon visual explanation of what happened after the events of VLR, which ZTD instead does in the form of those archive logs. The most significant thing it does to ZTD is hint at the game's main overarching theme which was the deconstruction of multiple timeline stories.
I have a weird feeling about Brother/Delta since even though I think the game managed to wrap the entire series full circle, I don't think there was any possibility of any answer being a satisfying one. A traditional "villain" type character has never suited the series.
And I don't think anyone is really cool with Mira. She went to jail, although arguably speaking the game kind of poops over itself by the post-game proving that Eric and Mira didn't really learn anything.
I still think DR3 is the worst offender here since it effectively eschews a sort of thematic simplicity that was prevalent throughout the games. DR1 established black/white conflict of platitudes in the overall series' context and the main reason that worked was because of how much ambiguity that surrounded things like "is the despair issue really that overblown? Are our lives outside of the walls really irrevocably shattered?". DR2 had an extremely elegant twist reveal about how you were in fact playing as the bad guys the whole time, something that ended up serving as a deconstruction of the hope/despair issue, which the game itself even ended up considering a complete non-factor to the endgame resolution. DR3 though feels like the worst possible result you get when you try to answer too many questions in a poorly chosen format. Not only is nothing given enough time in terms of story but that story is effectively cheapening some cleverly executed ambiguity by focusing on characters that are hard to care about. Makoto is turned into a caricature and I keep forgetting that Kirigiri, my favorite character from DR1, was even in it.
ZTD was at least given a whole lot of time to explain the crux behind it's twist and placement in the story. It was given a proper framework to explore the answers and at least allow those answers to make sense even if it wasn't what people hoped for. It at least felt like the answers we got had some legitimate thought put into them. It's really hard to say the same for DR3 which commits the cardinal sin of not so much being offensively bad, but worse, being offensively cheap and boring.
I dunno though, maybe that's just me speaking from the perspective of not ever caring about anything in the expanded Danganronpa universe outside of the games themselves. They at least carry themselves well on their own terms, while everything else the series has done outside of them just makes me think even less of it.
QuiteWhittle
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Chiaki surviving, ugh. If Chiaki has to be brought back then I hope it's as a backup AI.
Dangansona
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100% imo
lazyproblems
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Both would be bad, but I'd say Chiaki would be infinitely worse at this point. Sadly it seems like both are going to be alive.
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ZTD spoilers
EDIT: wrt the DR2 cast, I hope everyone survives. I think it's a neat contrast on morals (even if they didn't actually do anything wrong because brainwashing, but forget that for a minute) to have the mass murderers survive and only five of the class 78 survive.
As far as the Mira thing goes, I more meant how when people realized she was a killer, they didn't immediately turn into "okay let's do something about her RIGHT NOW." There were cool things they could have done with her - for instance, what if someone tried to kill her for what she did? Maybe Sigma, to give him some more edge? And then whoops! Eric gets in the way, being killed instead. This then awakens her heart, which then leads to Sean helping her SHIFT away to the moment where it all began.
Instead, we just get a cliffhanger in text form for a series that is finished.
Instead, we just get a cliffhanger in text form for a series that is finished.
EDIT: wrt the DR2 cast, I hope everyone survives. I think it's a neat contrast on morals (even if they didn't actually do anything wrong because brainwashing, but forget that for a minute) to have the mass murderers survive and only five of the class 78 survive.
While Kyoko still being alive would be bad especially after the Asahina fakeout, her "death" felt really cheap and unearned. Not to mention she was like the only one trying to solve the mystery, so in my biased opinion, I wouldn't mind at all if she was still alive (there's not much else they could do to save DR3 anyway for me >>
DR3 Chiaki's death was pretty much cheap shock value too, but her very existence is straight up unnecessary and I'll be incredibly disappointed in Kodaka if he wusses out of her death.
Definitively Chiaki, but I would be fine with it if she's despair mecha chiaki.
MiguelMexMIstery
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Yaaaaaas
And that's the place where Komaru fits in!
True answer.
I need my boy Kazuichi to show up and save the day with his Big Bang Usami
Pop-O-Matic
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RoboHope is actually Junko. She took the new identity of Hope in the same way an alien would name themselves Hugh Mann.
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With what they did, I'm gonna reiterate that making Chiaki not suicidal was a huge missed opportunity. It gives us the opportunity to see the character of Chiaki, who we knew before as an always sunny, always helpful champion of everyone's hopes and well being, in her original form - sad, lonely, and full of despair. We could explore her in the first couple of episodes slowly creeping towards her death, but is ultimately pulled out of it. Not just by her classmates and teacher, but also by Hajime. Chiaki would be a girl who has a lot of pain in her life that caused her to seclude herself from everyone, thereby leaving her with no one she can turn to - until she realized that she doesn't have to be alone.
In having that be her plot, not only does it give depth to human Chiaki that didn't exist with Alter Ego Chiaki, it gives her strong theming with Hajime. Hajime lost his sense of self when he became Izuru, but he would have died if he didn't anyway. Chiaki being pulled out of despair by Hajime saved her from killing herself, but this ended up setting her on a path to being killed anyway.
"Hi I'm Paul, what's your name?"
"Irma Gudgai"
In having that be her plot, not only does it give depth to human Chiaki that didn't exist with Alter Ego Chiaki, it gives her strong theming with Hajime. Hajime lost his sense of self when he became Izuru, but he would have died if he didn't anyway. Chiaki being pulled out of despair by Hajime saved her from killing herself, but this ended up setting her on a path to being killed anyway.
"Hi I'm Paul, what's your name?"
"Irma Gudgai"
They really want that Ace Attorney audience now, don't they?
Makoto still has Aoi - what's Hajime got?
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nagito
They already had not idea to do with 12 so I don't see why you wanted 16. It was padding after padding after unmemorable speeches about hope and despair ad nauseam. The whole mystery's resolution was weak and the plot twist in both being the same
brainwashing
The Silver
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Monaca was pretty helpful.
Lifted up Makoto's spirits, warned them that someone would die, let them talk to Togami and learn important clues, protected them from Raiden, played a prank on Hina and Naegi so you know she has a good sense of humor.......
Clearly a hope agent sent by Nagito.
Lifted up Makoto's spirits, warned them that someone would die, let them talk to Togami and learn important clues, protected them from Raiden, played a prank on Hina and Naegi so you know she has a good sense of humor.......
Clearly a hope agent sent by Nagito.
Ludger Kresnik
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Wow, that sure took a while and a half.
StarSketch
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Well, surviving their introductory game. It took 2 games and a good chunk of the anime to kill Kyoko.
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what Tengan should have done:
"Broadcast the fucking video Mitarai you piece of fucking shit"
All in all, fuck DR3. It all just turned into shit the moment it was clear that Mitarai was an important character and then it just got dumber and dumber with brainwashing videos. I can't believe it all comes down to "lol i'm going to broadcast this 2 second brainwash video to the whole world!!"
"Broadcast the fucking video Mitarai you piece of fucking shit"
All in all, fuck DR3. It all just turned into shit the moment it was clear that Mitarai was an important character and then it just got dumber and dumber with brainwashing videos. I can't believe it all comes down to "lol i'm going to broadcast this 2 second brainwash video to the whole world!!"
MetroidPrimeRib
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Junko: How many levels of despair are you on
Tengan: Like 4 or 5 my dude
Junko: You are like little baby. Watch this. MIND HACC
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It's amazing how much this has made me come to appreciate the simplicity of "I need the world to burn to achieve an orgasm."
RecRoulette
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I love that the ZTD thing people are talking about wasn't even the dumbest most bullshit thing in the game.
There's a fucking ALIEN FAX MACHINE THAT SENDS PEOPLE.
Yeeeeeeeeeah... I try not to think about that thing... lol
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Isn't that basically just a technological version of the powers in the series? I think it would have been better if it turned out that SHIFTers lead to its creation, but all in all the way they handled Mira and abandoned arcs and fake teasing and complexity and mind hack, all of these are worse.
I would say that I actually think ZTD is a worse game than UDG, but I was nowhere near as actively angry at it while playing as I was at UFG, cause fuck that game's attempt to handle that material. That being said... what's wrong about Layton VS Wright? I loved that game; it was weird but entirely enjoyable.
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Honestly, as much as I like joking about
and this, neither of them are the biggest issue with that game. All the retconning/sudden changes in backstory and completely shafting some of the series' best characters for no clear reason are things I'd point to first, and that's only the start of my many many issues with it.
And you can't point to the twist as being ridiculous/disappointing because it's a Layton game and you've had plenty of chances to know what that means.
EDIT:
Honestly, as much as I like joking about
MIND HACK
PreyingShark
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Just watched the finale.
...What. The. Fuck?
...What. The. Fuck?
Dangansona
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Eh hardly the finale. At least one more episode coming.
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Dumb question incoming
I literally just finished future 1 and jumped onto the last page after seeing this thread float around OT (I know, I know) and seeing peoples opinion on it... and wowza.
So uh, should I even bother? I really care more about how the series ends rather than how it begins, so is "despair" required viewing?
I literally just finished future 1 and jumped onto the last page after seeing this thread float around OT (I know, I know) and seeing peoples opinion on it... and wowza.
So uh, should I even bother? I really care more about how the series ends rather than how it begins, so is "despair" required viewing?
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I would say that every episode is "good." Even the weaker ones have solid scenes.
RecRoulette
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It's worth watching but peaks in the middle. Despair is pretty much essential because it goes into the backstory of some of the future characters. Just temper expectations, it gets dumb, but not unwatchable.
Ludger Kresnik
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This show is awful. Join us in our misery.
Despair is required viewing. And while I'd normally say it's the weaker of the two, I'm not even sure anymore after this last episode of Future. They're pretty much equally bad by now.
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I think that once the dust settles, we'll hate Despair less.
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