Maybe Kodaka is a actually Junko and this was her (him) trying to make us feel despair?
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Danganronpa 3 The End of Hope's Peak Academy |OT| Nagito Komaeda's Wild Ride Part Two
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Maybe Kodaka is a actually Junko and this was her (him) trying to make us feel despair?
If you try to make crap and do, did you succeed?
Funyarinpa
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You reminded me that I still wish that the "mastermind is the audience, future was mitarai's anime" theory was right, dammit.
...What happened to those storyboards found all over the place in Future? :c
Sky Interloper
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I think Komatsuzaki only handles character art, while another artist takes care of scenes. But yeah, there's a marked difference between styles and quality. For example, the rushed Chapter 3 in DR2 gave us this:
Easter eggs, I suppose? If the whole Hope's Peak saga was an anime in the V3 universe it would have been an interesting idea to link in some way both series, but nowadays I'll hesitate to do that.
R_thanatos
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Finally Saw despair 12
Well mitarai solution to hope is stupid , in all bad ways .. I really , really hope that hinata-izuru is going to bring hope back to everyone on this thread.
Ps : monaca is in orbit in her van , that part was priceless.
Kigiri is most likely confirmed dead, everyone involved in that story decision can die in a fire
Well mitarai solution to hope is stupid , in all bad ways .. I really , really hope that hinata-izuru is going to bring hope back to everyone on this thread.
Ps : monaca is in orbit in her van , that part was priceless.
Kigiri is most likely confirmed dead, everyone involved in that story decision can die in a fire
A Link to the Past
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If the death counter is in-universe, that suggests that:
A. Someone is manually updating it based on what they imagine to be the case (ie, "wellp, that person looks pretty gosh darn dead").
B. The process is automated (ie, "the bracelet shows that their life has ceased).
B. doesn't stand to reason because if that was the case, Juzo would have been considered dead by the counter's standard (which would have been a more interesting twist if it said five, meaning that we'd all identify Juzo as having died). If A. is the case, then we could assume that the observer identified that Juzo had not died and thus did not consider him dead. This would serve to explain how Kyoko could survive - so long as the observer believed her death to be authentic, they would have no issue counting her. It could also just be that it's for our benefit, which would be slightly disappointing. I actually think that Kyoko not coming back from the dead would be bad writing, though not the worst writing. On one hand, her arc is complete - she was able to truly repay the favor for Makoto putting his life on the line for hers, and she gave them the information needed to solve the killing game's mystery. On the other hand, she was the only person whose death was working on essentially a timer, so she had the entire game to try and prepare for her death. This makes me suggest that she survived, and that she used medicine found near/on Seiko's corpse. This then ties into two plot details:
1. Seiko tried to use her medicine on Bandai, but it failed.
2. Seiko expressed sadness that her medicine failed Bandai (and Chisa?).
In 1, we can determine from there that the medicine has the potential to counteract the effects of the poison. In 2, in terms of writing, it would be a satisfying completion to Seiko's arc - she worked her whole life to save people, and in the end saved Kyoko. So my theory is that Kyoko is alive thanks to Seiko's medicine. She deduced that the medicine could counteract the poison, and she had potential access to that medicine.
And to be fair, the only reason a lot of people consider it bad writing is because it would be the second time they did a fakeout death in Future. Speaking of, in hindsight, Asahina's fakeout death really was many an alarm bell as to the direction Future arc was taking.
A. Someone is manually updating it based on what they imagine to be the case (ie, "wellp, that person looks pretty gosh darn dead").
B. The process is automated (ie, "the bracelet shows that their life has ceased).
B. doesn't stand to reason because if that was the case, Juzo would have been considered dead by the counter's standard (which would have been a more interesting twist if it said five, meaning that we'd all identify Juzo as having died). If A. is the case, then we could assume that the observer identified that Juzo had not died and thus did not consider him dead. This would serve to explain how Kyoko could survive - so long as the observer believed her death to be authentic, they would have no issue counting her. It could also just be that it's for our benefit, which would be slightly disappointing. I actually think that Kyoko not coming back from the dead would be bad writing, though not the worst writing. On one hand, her arc is complete - she was able to truly repay the favor for Makoto putting his life on the line for hers, and she gave them the information needed to solve the killing game's mystery. On the other hand, she was the only person whose death was working on essentially a timer, so she had the entire game to try and prepare for her death. This makes me suggest that she survived, and that she used medicine found near/on Seiko's corpse. This then ties into two plot details:
1. Seiko tried to use her medicine on Bandai, but it failed.
2. Seiko expressed sadness that her medicine failed Bandai (and Chisa?).
In 1, we can determine from there that the medicine has the potential to counteract the effects of the poison. In 2, in terms of writing, it would be a satisfying completion to Seiko's arc - she worked her whole life to save people, and in the end saved Kyoko. So my theory is that Kyoko is alive thanks to Seiko's medicine. She deduced that the medicine could counteract the poison, and she had potential access to that medicine.
And to be fair, the only reason a lot of people consider it bad writing is because it would be the second time they did a fakeout death in Future. Speaking of, in hindsight, Asahina's fakeout death really was many an alarm bell as to the direction Future arc was taking.
MiguelMexMIstery
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Yup, in particular, Sato's pretty funny and we get to see Gozu's face.
The only true hope~
LordGorchnik
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Quickly popping in just to ask that I am finally about to get around to these. Am I supposed to watch Episode 1 of Despair arc and then episode 1 of Mirai arc or should I be going through the entirety of one before the other?
Mirai 1 -> Despair 1 -> Mirai 2 -> Despair 2 etc.
Sgt.Pepper
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What I don't get what was with the monokuma at the beginning of Future.
Was it just Monaka fucking around? Tengan didn't see to even bother with the bear, except for the prerecorded video that he didn't even make.
Was it just Monaka fucking around? Tengan didn't see to even bother with the bear, except for the prerecorded video that he didn't even make.
A Link to the Past
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Two possibilities I have:
1. Bad writing
2. It was Miaya
I mean, seriously, it's literally the only thing that makes sense besides Monaca actually being involved. If it isn't Miaya, how did a recording hack her? Hell, how did the recording even NOTICE her? That to me suggests that Monaca stole Miayabot - which Miaya intended to put in the game and control - and played along with the recording.
Ryota actually has a split personality like Toko, and is the real real mastermind. The scene with Tengan was actually an animation created by Ryota, that the protagonists only think is real due to the subliminal messaging Ryota left in it. Ryota's second personality is actually a copy of Junko, who using her ultimate analysis abilities orchestrated the entire thing, in order to plunge Makoto into true despair, and not just brainwashed despair.
SuperBowser
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The reasons for Tengan being the mastermind are inane and dumb, much like the majority of characters. He's painted as this intelligent, wise, kind old man, then gets revealed to have killed everybody in horrible (and needlessly intricate) ways because he wanted to convince Ryota to release a video for the greater good. just wtf.
This whole anime was a disappointment.
This whole anime was a disappointment.
A Link to the Past
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Too much like Nagito
Makoto and Nagito are very much extreme opposites, so it's nice to have Mitarai there as someone who can kind of rationally justify something so extreme without blowing up a building
KZXcellent
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So is the final episode coming out in Despair's timeslot or Future's?
Despair's.
Dangansona
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Tengan was trying to bait Mikarai into making the Anime. He didn't think he already possessed one.
I'm hoping the brainwashing stuff (at least for despair arc) is all made up and is something like that's just what the remnants of despair are told for their own sanity. Or the whole "it was all an Anime" twist.
I see what you did there.
Let's be honest, the show had too little time to actually go and show Junko slowly turning the 77th class to the side of despair, so the best they could come up with that'd fit in a single cour was to come up with
Dangansona
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I'm not totally against the idea of brainwashing, but they need to nerf it's alleged effects somehow in this last episode. Even if it's just somehow explaining that their background issues did play some part.
welp, see y'all on the other side, I guess
last chance for over/unders on
last chance for over/unders on
- Kirigiri alive
- Chiaki alive
- Junko, just like, in general
- Nagito mastermind
- Tengan's plan turns out to have not been totally nonsensical
- Someone from 77-B other than Hajimezuru having a line
- Double, slow-mo "sore wa chigau yo"
- Hagakure and/or Byakuya do something useful again instead of vanishing thirty seconds into the episode now that the cliffhanger's been resolved
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all the events thus far are wrapped up in a saitsfying, meaningful conclusion
A Link to the Past
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1. Kirigiri alive - For the reasons I stated above, if the writing is good, she will be alive. There's a lot of setup to suggest that this is the case, including the medicine bottle, the multiple instances of foreshadowing (Seiko using the medicine on Bandai tells us that she believed it could cure his poisoning, and Kirigiri likely believed this).
2. Chiaki alive - Nah, I think I buy that both Kirigiri and Chiaki died than that Chiaki lived.
3. Junko - Junko
4. Nagito - Nagito
5. Tengan - No, it'll be silly.
6. 77-B - I am of a mind that all of 77-B - sans Chiaki - will survive and be pulled from despair.
7. sore wa chigau yo - yes that's right
8. Byakuya and Hagakure - I think both will be present for the entirety of Hope Arc.
9. lol
Permanently A
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The Silver
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Lol reading the beginning of this thread, so full of hope.....
Life is..simply unfair
Life is..simply unfair
A Link to the Past
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Serious question
Would you be okay with a Kirigiri fakeout if the Asahina fakeout never happened?
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Also what was the first moment that you knew that the anime was despair?
For me it was Despair 7. I still enjoyed the episodes after that, but Despair 7 after the filler-tier Future 7 left me feeling not awesome.
Would you be okay with a Kirigiri fakeout if the Asahina fakeout never happened?
ZTD brings the best memes
Also what was the first moment that you knew that the anime was despair?
For me it was Despair 7. I still enjoyed the episodes after that, but Despair 7 after the filler-tier Future 7 left me feeling not awesome.
Permanently A
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Despair side went to shit when it was clear everything would be done via brainwashing
Future side was fun up until the very last episode.
Let's do this...
Despair - Prooobably around episode 7 because that was when brainwashing video was first mentioned. Episode 8 had a great Nagito moment, but s'about it for me.
Future - As much as I wanna say when Kyoko died, I admit I enjoyed the show up until the last episode.
Despair - Prooobably around episode 7 because that was when brainwashing video was first mentioned. Episode 8 had a great Nagito moment, but s'about it for me.
Crazy Diamond
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First thing that came to mind. Interesting. I want them to distance themselves as far from the current cast as they possibly can so if they need to pretend that never happened then that would be wonderful. But if there is a connection then I hope it leads to something worthwhile.
Any of that is possible! Sign me up for everything outside of the spoiler-tagged text.
Not sure if that's a question for all, but Despair 2 for me. Watching Despair 2 provided me with the all-too-familiar feeling of trying to power through the first couple of chapters of DR2, despite not being able to enjoy it as much as DR. It was a reminder that most of my enjoyment with DR2 relied
Permanently A
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what if future 12 was intentionally bad so we are plunged into the deepest pits of despair before side hope pulls us back into the light
UberTag
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My votes...
- Kirigiri alive = YES
- Chiaki alive = NO
- Junko, just like, in general = SURE, WHATEVER... GHOST JUNKO THAT IS
- Nagito mastermind = SHOULD BE YES TO SEMI-SALVAGE THINGS... BUT NO
- Tengan's plan turns out to have not been totally nonsensical = SADLY NO
- Someone from 77-B other than Hajimezuru having a line = NOBODY CARES ABOUT THOSE GUYS
- Double, slow-mo "sore wa chigau yo" = RYOTA DESERVES IT
- Hagakure and/or Byakuya do something useful again instead of vanishing thirty seconds into the episode now that the cliffhanger's been resolved = PRESENT? YES | CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING USEFUL? NO
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all the events thus far are wrapped up in a satisfying, meaningful conclusion
It's funny that I stopped watching after the Future 7 delay hearing that it was UDG-focused so I could finish the game. I spent 5 weeks assuming I was missing out on greatness only to marathon everything this past weekend and realized that I should have quit while I was ahead.
Ludger Kresnik
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I liked the ending.
To me i like a "despair" finale somehow.
To bring a false hope it was used a final despair solution...
It fits the overall fact that is not a story with good ending.
That said, I think they can go on with the story after this ending, so I hope they will after V3 (maybe V3 is connected somehow, still hoping, they said it was finished the Hope Academy ark, not the whole universe story)
To me i like a "despair" finale somehow.
To bring a false hope it was used a final despair solution...
It fits the overall fact that is not a story with good ending.
That said, I think they can go on with the story after this ending, so I hope they will after V3 (maybe V3 is connected somehow, still hoping, they said it was finished the Hope Academy ark, not the whole universe story)
Ludger Kresnik
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The actual ending isn't out yet tho. It airs later today, and all I want for my birthday is for it to not take *too* long to get subbed. Come through [Hope].
UberTag
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Is today your birthday? Happy birthday!
Ludger Kresnik
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yea it's my zettai kibou birthday 🎉 thank$
Azure Phoenix
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Unless Future and Despair turn out to be an anime within an anime (yo dawg), they can't untangle this mess.
Episode 1 for Future and whatever episode Twilight Syndrome was for Despair.
No, no, unfortunately no, no, no, I'm not even sure they'll appear, doubt it, no, absolutely not.
Basically, my expectations are low because it's basically looking like Future Episode 13, no matter what label they put on it.
QuiteWhittle
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http://gematsu.com/2016/09/new-danganronpa-v3-japanese-limited-edition-detailed-screenshots
More info on that Nagito OVA:
Looks like
More info on that Nagito OVA:
Looks like
the article spoils Nagito will wake up.
Ludger Kresnik
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This is a surprising and unexpected development I did not see coming.
Kresnik258
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Out of interest, are you supposed to watch Despair 11 before Future 11? I feel like a lot of stuff in Future 11 was mentioned in Despair 11 that didn't make sense otherwise (Sakakura lying to Munakata etc.)
toastyToast
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This turned out much worse than I could have imagined.
RecRoulette
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Much to the surprise of no one, I guess this means he's not showing up in today's episode then.
Much to the surprise of no one, I guess this means he's not showing up in today's episode then.
That silhouette at the end? Actually Nagito with short hair.
RecRoulette
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Now THAT'S some zetsubou.
Ludger Kresnik
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Future 11 aired before Despair 11, so you're supposed to watch it in airing order.
blankempathy
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So what's left to watch? Can't keep track of the schedule/episodes as well as some of you can.
The final episode, comes out today in Japan. Expect fan subs later.
When's the episode airing? Edit: Nvm, just saw the above post.
What's wrong with that image? Hiyoko should always be uncomfortable and sad, so what's bad about it?
I think Komatsuzaki only handles character art, while another artist takes care of scenes. But yeah, there's a marked difference between styles and quality. For example, the rushed Chapter 3 in DR2 gave us this:
What's wrong with that image? Hiyoko should always be uncomfortable and sad, so what's bad about it?
Kresnik258
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That's bizarre. I definitely felt I'd watched them in the wrong order after viewing them that way.
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