The meaning , it's obvious .. this was it , that pivotal moment , and she came afterward with ANOTHER GAME to cheer him up ...
what could have been...
Moron of the decade
Juzo: Get outta here, normie.
Hinata: Hey, there's more to life than talent!
Juzo: You're right. The normies can bow to the talent as they should.
Hinata: Man, I guess that means I should ignore all of the advice I've been getting and become talented like Juzo.
Hinata's a goober is what I'm saying
Also I liked that they flew through Natsumi and Sato's deaths because, unless I've understood the timeline completely wrong, there's still a lot of ground to cover before we get to end of this downward spiral. Or I guess they could cut off the season before then, I dunno.
Nah hes not a goober. Sure he may have been heading towards the "being normal is ok" camp but he wasn't there yet and his run in with Juzo completely derailed his journey. Its easy to waiver when you haven't committed yourself to something. Especially when you get beat to crap and told you're just barely good enough to lick someones shoes.
I guess the big mystery now is whone is the big bad behind the Izuru experiment itself. I don't think it's Kirigiri, and while I bet DR0 dude will be involved I doubt he'did be in charge. Smart money still on Tengan?
If you remember Chapter 6 of DR2, it was explained that the purpose of the Academy was to study talent to foster the creation of a supergenius. At least 77 years passed since the foundation of the school and the creation of Izuru 1.0, I don't think the guy would live enough to see this happening. And considering DR0 and the anime, it's obvious that the Steering Committee is the running the show on this.maybe the guy behind the izuru kamukura experiement is...izuru kamukura?
He's right, why would you give that up?
He's right, why would you give that up?
Incidentally, I thought it was surprisingly cool to see Natsumi so respectful of her brother so as to not blow Peko's cover while she was ranting/unloading at Hajime.Also, it was good to see characterization for both Natsumi and Sato. The enrollment of Fuyuhiko was a big hit to her pride and self-confidence, and seeing Koizumi as an easy target was giving her a possibility for not being left behind. Meanwhile, Sato was borderline obsessed with Mahiru's safety - protecting her was a scapegoat for her own frustrations about being in the Reserve Department.
Incidentally, I thought it was surprisingly cool to see Natsumi so respectful of her brother so as to not blow Peko's cover while she was ranting/unloading at Hajime.
I mean, she is undoubtedly jealous of the fact that Peko (being talented unlike herself) is able to stay by Fuyuhiko's side unlike her - I'm sure that alone was a driving force as to why she was so adamant to be recognized for her talent and join the main school (albeit at Mahiru's expense).
And yet she didn't mention Peko once - because she obviously knew if she did and it got back to Fuyuhiko that it would upset him because A) it wouldn't have come from anyone else and B) he wants Peko to maintain her status of an equal and not some duty-bound bodyguard.
It's clear to me that Natsumi was not only devoted to her brother but respected him greatly as well. The fact that they were able to convey this without ever showing them interacting with one another is impressive.
Nah hes not a goober. Sure he may have been heading towards the "being normal is ok" camp but he wasn't there yet and his run in with Juzo completely derailed his journey. Its easy to waiver when you haven't committed yourself to something. Especially when you get beat to crap and told you're just barely good enough to lick someones shoes.
On top of that his encounter with Natsumi really shook him. Everytime people told him "its okay to be normal" it was coming from people with talent. So when Natsumi, someone else in a similar position to him, said that she wasn't worthy of being around her brother if she wasn't an Ultimate too, Hajime ended up agreeing with that. That's why he decides not to hang out with Chiaki. He wants to become someone with talent, someone worthy enough to be in the presence of other Ultimates.
I need more Nagito shenanigans.
Never. Which is why everyone was so surprised at her being in this anime - it's seen almost as a retcon. The game made it very clear she was purely a creation of Chihiro.I've been meaning to ask this...
Was it ever obvious that Chiaki was an actual human being and member of the despair class? I always thought she was purely a creation of Future Foundation after playing D2.
I've been meaning to ask this...
Was it ever obvious that Chiaki was an actual human being and member of the despair class? I always thought she was purely a creation of Future Foundation after playing D2.
No, it definitely seemed like she was never anything more than an AI.I've been meaning to ask this...
Was it ever obvious that Chiaki was an actual human being and member of the despair class? I always thought she was purely a creation of Future Foundation after playing D2.
Never. Which is why everyone was so surprised at her being in this anime - it's seen almost as a retcon. The game made it very clear she was purely a creation of Chihiro.
I've been meaning to ask this...
Was it ever obvious that Chiaki was an actual human being and member of the despair class? I always thought she was purely a creation of Future Foundation after playing D2.
This is truth. His appearance in Ultra Despair Girls let me down. Can't get snubbed here at the finish line.
Boxer cunt needs to get some self awareness, talking about the place being rotten when he's directly contributing to it, good lord no wonder the reserve students rebelled
In hindsight it should've been more obvious Chiaki was based on a real person in some way. Alter Ego didn't have its own made up personality, it took after Chihiro and went from there, Chiaki's personality had to come from somewhere.
I have hope that the boxer dude might not be so bad after all...wait...
Any sane person, eh? Because the only person who seems down with Kyosuke and Juzo and what they bring to the table in either arc is Chisa. If there's a redemption arc for either of them it'll be filtered through her eyes - she's the Despair arc protag for a reason.Years later he is still an awful person with no awareness along with Yu Narukami looking ass. They are made for each other with how stupid and idiotic they are.
I'm hoping they somehow get redeemed because their motivations are so beyond stupid and any sane person sees how counter-intuitive they are. Boxer literally has no redeeming qualities so far. At least Munakata has some type of logic driving him.
Possible but doubtful. Chihiro took the time to build his Alter Ego predecessor?/successor? around her while Makoto took the time to include her in the Neo World Program simulation. Both of them took that initiative because of what Chiaki represented for the others and because they believed that losing her was the catalyst for succumbing to despair. It's possible she was the first to fall into despair - but if she's not, I have to suspect she never does and was preserved as an example for the others that they didn't need to go down that path. And that decision ultimately paid off.Thanks guys. So I guess that means AI Chiaki was created after Chihiro came to Hope's Peak and somehow Future Foundation/Makoto got a hold of her and re-purposed her for the Neo World Program. On paper, it seems a little needless wish-fulfillment for the audience that Chiaki is a real person that we get to see more of, but she's actually been a good edition to the story so I'm okay with this.
I wonder if human Chiaki is actually an ultimate despair...! Is this possible?
In hindsight it should've been more obvious Chiaki was based on a real person in some way. Alter Ego didn't have its own made up personality, it took after Chihiro and went from there, Chiaki's personality had to come from somewhere.
Can't wait until it's revealed Boxer is somehow responsible for Junko falling into despair.
Any sane person, eh? Because the only person who seems down with Kyosuke and Juzo and what they bring to the table in either arc is Chisa. If there's a redemption arc for either of them it'll be filtered through her eyes - she's the Despair arc protag for a reason.
Or perhaps she's "just nuts / has an evil twin / is another relative of Junko / is the Future arc mastermind" and is forcibly driving despair along its path by allowing these two elements of chaos to persist on the side of hope while failing to co-exist with the others like oil and water.
Possible but doubtful. Chihiro took the time to build his Alter Ego predecessor?/successor? around her while Makoto took the time to include her in the Neo World Program simulation. Both of them took that initiative because of what Chiaki represented for the others and because they believed that losing her was the catalyst for succumbing to despair. It's possible she was the first to fall into despair - but if she's not, I have to suspect she never does and was preserved as an example for the others that they didn't need to go down that path. And that decision ultimately paid off.
Both the theater scene and the persistent grayed out Chisa silhouette in the Despair arc opening are there for a reason. It either has great significance or is the ultimate red herring. But subtle red herrings aren't what this series is known for. Usually we get the opposite with red herring antagonists that are blunt and in your face like Genocide Jack, Nagito and Juzo.the longer they go without following up on the theater scene with chisa in despair-1, the more i'm feeling it's not just stylistic. feels like the kind of thing they want the audience to forget about, only to pull back out for a twist later. of course, there's already plenty suspicious about chisa anyways, lol. but the theater scene just came back to mind for me, for some reason.
the longer they go without following up on the theater scene with chisa in despair-1, the more i'm feeling it's not just stylistic. feels like the kind of thing they want the audience to forget about, only to pull back out for a twist later. of course, there's already plenty suspicious about chisa anyways, lol. but the theater scene just came back to mind for me, for some reason.
i do kinda have to agree it feels like they went over the murders pretty quickly. or at least, things seemed to reach a breaking point quite fast lol. would've liked to see a bit more buildup to it, or more of how the tonal shift it caused affects everyone else, but eh. this was very much a hajime episode, and i'm sure they'll come back to it when it comes time for everyone else to fall into despair.
Years later he is still an awful person with no awareness along with Yu Narukami looking ass. They are made for each other with how stupid and idiotic they are.
I'm hoping they somehow get redeemed because their motivations are so beyond stupid and any sane person sees how counter-intuitive they are. Boxer literally has no redeeming qualities so far. At least Munakata has some type of logic driving him.
Juzo's idiocy is basically the tipping point leading to the whole world getting fucked up in the DR timeline. I hope he ends up being the traitor in the future arc as well. It'd probably work well with Munakata, who seems to only trust Juzo as well
That's a good group. They retained the entire DR1 anime cast. They cast Colleen Clinkenbeard as Chisa (which is awesome). They brought Erin Fitzgerald in to voice Seiko (which means she can be ported over to voice anime Junko as needed). They kept most of the DR2 game cast with the exception of casting Aaron Dismuke to voice Fuyuhiko, Brina Palencia to voice Ibuki (Brina is awesome in everything and a good voice match to Julie Ann Taylor), Morgan Garrett to voice Akane, Clarine Harp to voice Peko (this casting is perfect) and Scott Frerichs to voice Gundham. They have Chris Bevins handling the direction - and he's rock solid.I need fanfiction where Chiaki and Hinata end up happy at school without Hinata going all Izuru and then when Junko shows up she just inexplicably explodes and everyone lives happy lives.
Also english cast list http://www.funimation.com/blog/2016...ter&utm_content=english-cast&utm_nooverride=1
Mostly it feels a little too easy to push this onto Juzo and Natsumi when Hinata's conflicted, yes, but still a human being capable of deciding for himself what he wants to do. They're both clearly negative influences but opposition occurs no matter what path in life you walk. Hinata simply isn't strong enough to believe in himself despite all the positive talks he gets about what he can do and accomplish and enjoy. That's regrettable both for the immediate story and how things eventually turn out but he's the one choosing where to point his feet. Chiaki, Chisa, and Tengan aren't merely dribbling out platitudes. They're genuine words of support that a teenager is choosing to ignore in order to reinforce his own negativity.
Natsumi's anguish over falling behind her brother was rattling and I thought it was excellent. So far as shaking someone's convictions I feel like her words were much more effective in getting Hinata to decide that he needs talent to get what he wants. Juzo's words simply reinforced that by illustrating the idea that without talent Hinata won't be able to be anything of real note. Really though the true solution in hindsight would have been for Juzo to let Hinata get killed. Would've snuffed out a lot of troubles down the road but that's not super interesting.
Juzo did nothing wrong
Me too.I need more Nagito shenanigans.
Oh I'm not pushing it all on Juzo. He was merely the catalyst that had Hajime take action. Yes Hajime is very insecure. Maybe I missed it but there seems to be outside influence (maybe his parents) pushing him to be this special talented individual and he feels like hes failed and he carries that weight on his shoulders with him. As human beings bad events tend to have a tremendous impact on our lives in some cases more so then good events. Being paid a compliment may make our day. Being insulted may ruin our week and so on. Its just how some people are. Lets be honest, most of us if we were treated like shit we'd want to get even. Hajime's willingness to undergo the experiment is his attempt to get even and show people that a nobody can become somebody. Of course I'm sure he couldn't have predicted what would have happened. Its actually a pretty common tale. Person improves themselves to give a finger to the people who put them down. Except most of the time they don't turn into a homicidal maniac in the process.
So far as I understand, at this point, all we know about Hajime's motivation is that his family is breaking the bank to put him into the Reserve Course and he seems to be trying to justify their investment. He wants this to become an opportunity and not simply a learning experience. So when people tell him to chill and enjoy what he has in his hands he seems to struggle to accept that.
I get the desire to get even and prove an idea of self worth but he had, standing before him, an opportunity to prove Natsumi wrong by being with Chiaki and an opportunity to prove Juzo wrong by, well, being with Chiaki. Who knows if they'd get along a year down the road but she's literal proof that someone without a comparable skill level can absolutely keep up with a Talented person. Heck, Chiaki's gaming montage the previous episode is 100% about this. Only Chiaki is the ultimate Gamer but everyone plays along and has a good time and bonds. It doesn't matter that Ibuki sucks at Mario Kart, it's all about sharing an experience and having a good time. This is what Chiaki tries to offer Hajime, the answer to his doubts and questions, the proof that his detractors are wrong. And he biffs it.
Hajime: "Ugh I wish I had talent so I could prove to my parents and everyone how great I can be."
Chiaki: "Naw man you're cool already, let's hang out."
Hajime: "I was feeling that but then some mean people got me down, I think I need to undergo experimental surgery to take a step beyond myself."
Chiaki: "Are you sure? I'm really going out of my way to let you know I think you're special."
Hajime: "Yeah I'm sure. Sorry."
Chiaki: "buh"
It's too much. I actually wish she wasn't such a large presence in his life at school.
Like, DR2 paints a very clear picture of Hajime's experience at school. He was completely alone, surrounded by people who basically despised him and what he represented (some punk for who payed his way into Hopes Peak, which has now been retconned)
But now he has a literal ray of sunshine in the form of Chiaki. While it's legitimate enjoyable to watch them being cute, it absolutely takes away from Hajime's character as a whole which is no bueno.
So far as I understand, at this point, all we know about Hajime's motivation is that his family is breaking the bank to put him into the Reserve Course and he seems to be trying to justify their investment. He wants this to become an opportunity and not simply a learning experience. So when people tell him to chill and enjoy what he has in his hands he seems to struggle to accept that.
I get the desire to get even and prove an idea of self worth but he had, standing before him, an opportunity to prove Natsumi wrong by being with Chiaki and an opportunity to prove Juzo wrong by, well, being with Chiaki. Who knows if they'd get along a year down the road but she's literal proof that someone without a comparable skill level can absolutely keep up with a Talented person. Heck, Chiaki's gaming montage the previous episode is 100% about this. Only Chiaki is the ultimate Gamer but everyone plays along and has a good time and bonds. It doesn't matter that Ibuki sucks at Mario Kart, it's all about sharing an experience and having a good time. This is what Chiaki tries to offer Hajime, the answer to his doubts and questions, the proof that his detractors are wrong. And he biffs it.
Hajime: "Ugh I wish I had talent so I could prove to my parents and everyone how great I can be."
Chiaki: "Naw man you're cool already, let's hang out."
Hajime: "I was feeling that but then some mean people got me down, I think I need to undergo experimental surgery to take a step beyond myself."
Chiaki: "Are you sure? I'm really going out of my way to let you know I think you're special."
Hajime: "Yeah I'm sure. Sorry."
Chiaki: "buh"
I don't see how at all it retcons his character. Those people who despised him were not in Hope's Peak but from whatever school he came from. All the people in the Reserve Course just paid for it.
Except no ones saying Hajime is right but that we can see where hes coming from. If people were happy with what they had we wouldn't screw up their situation by wanting more. Adults struggle with that let alone teenagers who haven't learned that lesson yet. Yes Hajime probably would of been very happy being "average" with Chiaki and possibly gone on to live happily ever after. But...
I never said his entire character retconned. Just the fact that he paid his way into the school was retconned in the last episode, since he outright claims he can't afford it (which isn't the case in the game).
Anyway, I misremembered what that image was used for, but my point still stands. The game did an excellent job conveying what it felt like to be talentless in a sea of geniuses. You could 100% empathize with Hajime's feelings in the game. There was no shining light or a cartoonish bully to influence his decisions. All he had was the crushing realization that he'd never be special like the people/school he admired.
The anime doesn't do a good enough job of conveying that feeling.
I need fanfiction where Chiaki and Hinata end up happy at school without Hinata going all Izuru and then when Junko shows up she just inexplicably explodes and everyone lives happy lives.
Also english cast list http://www.funimation.com/blog/2016...ter&utm_content=english-cast&utm_nooverride=1
I never said his entire character retconned. Just the fact that he paid his way into the school was retconned in the last episode, since he outright claims he can't afford it (which isn't the case in the game).
Anyway, I misremembered what that image was used for, but my point still stands. The game did an excellent job conveying what it felt like to be talentless in a sea of geniuses. You could 100% empathize with Hajime's feelings in the game. There was no shining light or a cartoonish bully to influence his decisions. All he had was the crushing realization that he'd never be special like the people/school he admired.
The anime doesn't do a good enough job of conveying that feeling.
That seemed to be at the forefront of their decision making - which is understandable. That and Chris Bevins was retained as director and has an attachment to voicing Yasuhiro as well. If anything, Kaiji gets more dialogue this way and it's a nice gesture on FUNi's part given that they never contacted him to voice Hiro when dubbing the DR1 anime.Wow they got 10 out of 15 for the DR2 characters (Imposter needed a new VA anyway), that's way way better than I ever anticipated. I'm actually looking forward to the dubs now!
Pretty weird they have Kaiji Tang back but not as Yasuhiro though, I guess they want consistency with their DR1 dub :/