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DanganRonpa: Trigger Happy Havoc Spoiler Thread - Farewell, spoiler tags of despair!
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Doing the "I told you so" thing is for jerks, just sayin'.
You're looking for two items. One, called an Escape Switch (?), that you can only get after beating the game and it automatically unlocks an alternate movie ending.
The second is a Spirit of Adventure (?) item that you can get on your first playthrough randomly. After the segment with Alter Ego, Monokuma tries to get the guys to peek on the girls bathing. If you have this particular item, the guys will peek and unlock a new event gallery item.
Now that you've beaten the game, it's just a matter of getting those items randomly from the Monokuma machine.
ColossalLazy
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The Bankslammer
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this one has always been my favorite
It's so true
ScraftyDevil
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One of my friends commented that Takamondo reminded him of me because that's exactly how I swear...
dakkumauji
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You would sound halfassed if you were basically a puppet for 3 chapters in trials.
Completely agree with the lack of characterizations for some characters.
Always nice to see people note how much lacking Ishimaru's characterization was in this game.
So we're playing as the heroine the whole time?
Such a shame that you can't spend any free time with him. Of course, Makoto probably just couldn't handle him.
Yeah, so?
The main thing for me was the discovery of Chihiro's body where Makoto screams. Sounds like something from a middle school play. What's worse is that Ishimaru shows up right after and blows Makoto's scream out of the water.
Don't be a dick(?)
BronsonLee
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RE: the second item, it's called A Man's Fantasy in the localized version, I believe.
And that scene fucking sucks. Get that shit out of my tense game
Axelstream
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Is there other series material out there that rectifies this?
Do you realize who you're talking to?
See, someone gets it.
It's a game about high school students (well, they think they are anyway). It's fine. If nothing else, it's great seeing Toko going nuts in the back.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe most of this gets answered in 2.
ScraftyDevil
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I really wish the subtitle for the second game was Despair Takes A Holiday. That would've been god-tier.
I just beat it and I don't think I like how it ended.
Most importantly, though, wasn't Junko cheating in the end? When "Junko" was stabbed by Monokuma early in the game, there was no body discovery announcement. But then Monokuma makes the announcement later when they find "Junko's" body later in the game. That's a phony discovery message.
The game makes a big point of talking about how the mastermind and monokuma are bound by the rules...especially to the television audience...but this just seems super phony.
Most importantly, though, wasn't Junko cheating in the end? When "Junko" was stabbed by Monokuma early in the game, there was no body discovery announcement. But then Monokuma makes the announcement later when they find "Junko's" body later in the game. That's a phony discovery message.
The game makes a big point of talking about how the mastermind and monokuma are bound by the rules...especially to the television audience...but this just seems super phony.
Someone mentioned that earlier in this thread. I think it's because the murder actually occurred in front of everyone and it was a violation of the rules.
buddha0991
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I was actually enjoying Taka until again, whatever the fuck this character derailment was:
his scream and terror at Mondo's death was legit really sad. I was so happy to see what I thought was him bein able to keep on moving forward and develop, instead his entire character was completely derailed and its just a throwaway thing to give Hifume a reason to kill someone.
his scream and terror at Mondo's death was legit really sad. I was so happy to see what I thought was him bein able to keep on moving forward and develop, instead his entire character was completely derailed and its just a throwaway thing to give Hifume a reason to kill someone.
ColossalLazy
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I believe one of the rules established is that you cant do any violent act against the headmaster (Monokuma).
That was shown in the beggining when Mondo almost got blown up by Monokuma.
"A wild, almost primeval scream escaped from my mouth."
dakkumauji
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More signs at how much better Ishimaru is.
The manga might add a bit to his character but there is really no material that does anything with Ishida before he gets killed.
It's really a shame how Ishida has literally no development whatsoever.
Luckily fandom is always the answer.
BronsonLee
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daw, i appreciated it.
...Ok, I'll concede the point because of Toko. That shit was pretty funny.
Though it is funny that you kind of get the choice to actually go through with it (if you know that the item is what triggers it). Usually it's immediate stomp
...Ok, I'll concede the point because of Toko. That shit was pretty funny.
Though it is funny that you kind of get the choice to actually go through with it (if you know that the item is what triggers it). Usually it's immediate stomp
I like how Kyoko is looking right at the viewer. She sees you peeking and doesn't care. Wasn't expecting that from Miss Detective.
buddha0991
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It is honestly kind of sad when Hifume has more development than Taka. I actually felt bad for him in the end, Taka, I felt less for him when Ishida happened.
Kyoko is fucking baller, but don't you guys feel like shes a little TOO strong and smart, if you know what I mean? Like, I knew from the first chapter, "yea, she is either gonna die in the final case, or make it to the end." She is still awesome though, and I wish Naoto from Persona 4 was more like her, and actually...you know, detected shit, instead of becoming a parrot.
Kyoko is fucking baller, but don't you guys feel like shes a little TOO strong and smart, if you know what I mean? Like, I knew from the first chapter, "yea, she is either gonna die in the final case, or make it to the end." She is still awesome though, and I wish Naoto from Persona 4 was more like her, and actually...you know, detected shit, instead of becoming a parrot.
Also, the mastermind being "bound by the rules" is more about not being able to overtly go against them because it would have a diluted message for their Despair propoganda than anything else.
She was a bit of a stability in an otherwise chaotic web of relationships. They made her a source of strength for the player, but I never thought she was completely safe... especially after the subversion they did for Sayaka's character.
Yah, I get it, but then no murder really occurred and no body was discovered. It was just Monokuma/Junko fucking with everyone, which they pretty explicitly said they didn't want to do because then shit would be fucked up.
It's k, I mean, I hardly think it makes or breaks the plot. The plot was fucked up enough as it was.
buddha0991
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I wish the game didnt end right when they opened the door
I think Monokuma was cheating intentionally during the 5th chapter in general because it was a trap to get Kirigiri out of the picture.
He was, I agree. Which I think comes off as a bit phony overall.
The phoniest thing is how Byakuya and Kyoko know 100% of what is going on at all times and basically refuse to let anything go wrong. Sorta takes the tension out!
The entirety of trial 5 was Junko "cheating" to frame Kirigiri as the killer and get her executed as punishment for her sneaking around. It even ends with her cheating again by trying to kill off Makoto even though he wasn't the killer.
That's actually why she's willing to go along with the proposal Kirigiri sets in chapter 6: she has to accept her demands instead of admitting (to everyone watching the show) that monokuma broke the rules.
edit: beaten by a smidgeon, bah.
Haha, perfect
If you want to get technical, I think the bell only sounds when a body is discovered by three people? I'd have to go back and make sure. I don't know if it explicitly says that a murder has to occur.
buddha0991
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I have been told that 2 answers unanswered things from 1, lacks these types of characters, and is better than 1 in every way. I am excited yo.
dakkumauji
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Yeah, I think it's only when a body gets discovered by three or more people. When Junko first got murdered, not like they discovered the body since it was already there.
And there was no class trial the first time, since the students didn't know another student murdered someone else.
I guessssss that was a loophole that Junko used so she could stage a class trial as they rediscover the body in chp.5.
It does say that, but at best they'd be rediscovering a body they had already seen.
I don't think that logic really holds. Were it true, you'd "discover" things you have seen all the time. Like if you put your keys on the desk and then walk out of the room and come back in...you've discovered your keys!
It's a trick and a trap. I just thought it sorta weakened the overall logic of not trying to screw with the players.
To discover something it has to be hidden first.
BronsonLee
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Her deductions were correct, Naegi is a pervert
IMO, they both really fucked up lots of times, with Byakuya totally being a dumbass in Chapter 2, and Kyoko basically hoping you don't ice her in Chapter 5. Real dumb plays from them.
It's a loophole, so it's not the most sound, but I still think it works.
Like I said before, Junko being tied down to the rules of the game are more about overt and obvious abuse that would subvert the overall message of despair>hope.
Crash Station
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Seems to mostly be fan stuff like that sad Rolling Girl video posted earlier in the thread.
I don't really think that's true. That might apply for the first few chapters, but Kyoko is pretty clearly way out of her depth in Chapter 5. The lynch-pin of Kyoko's aims to 'escape' Monokuma's trap is hoping against hope that Makoto wouldn't rat her out unintentionally.
And Byakuya definitely doesn't know what's going on at all times. Some of the most satisfying moments in the game happen when he doesn't, really!
I've already stipulated to all of that. My complaint isn't that it's a plot hole or a loop hole or whatever, I'm complaining that it is phony and breaks some of the internal logic of the game. When you think about how critical the body discovery message is to some of the earlier murders in the game, learning about how it can be manipulated cheapens it for me.
And having to argue over what discovered means demonstrates it is pretty weak in execution...
Kyoko's gambling, but she is the only one who actually knows what is going on. She's also at that point called it out as a trap at least twice. Byakuya might not always know exactly what is going on, but he's written in a way that really does make you feel consistently like the dumbest one in the room. I was so tired of seeing, "Well, you tell 'em, Makoto." Just really sort of weak because it makes Makoto and Byakuya feel like showrunners.
And having to argue over what discovered means demonstrates it is pretty weak in execution...
Kyoko's gambling, but she is the only one who actually knows what is going on. She's also at that point called it out as a trap at least twice. Byakuya might not always know exactly what is going on, but he's written in a way that really does make you feel consistently like the dumbest one in the room. I was so tired of seeing, "Well, you tell 'em, Makoto." Just really sort of weak because it makes Makoto and Byakuya feel like showrunners.
dakkumauji
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I mean I agree, it was basically a very flimsily loophole from the get-go. It was definitely something that could easily be argued out of especially since a bunch of rules were broken that Junko is supposedly held up to. I mean that's probably why Junko's plan backfired into her getting discovered and losing was because she was getting desperate after the end of chapter 4 once her plan to use Sakura as a mole backfired on her.
Rolling Ishimaru ;_;
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