Daniel Day-Lewis is Spielberg's Lincoln

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Will there be scenery chewing in this one :)
In all seriousness though DDL has got to be one of the best in our generation.

Does anyone recommend Last of the Mohicans on blu ray?
 
Bregor said:
I believe that the film is supposed to focus on the last couple of months of Lincoln's life, by which time his views were far more on the side of black equality than they had been earlier in his life.

Edit: And lets be honest- for the time he lived in his views were always more progressive than most of the white population as a whole regarding negro rights.
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they were pretty moderate, often evoking deportation as a solution. like many moderates, his initial flirtations with abolition were based on a principle that blacks should play no part on he development of the nation, seeing slavery as something of a crutch rather than a gross abuse of fundamental human rights.

of course, this was all based on what he presented publicly - which as a politician, must be contextualized within a need to win votes.
 
a Master Ninja said:
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Four minutes apart.

not bad.
 
ghst said:
they were pretty moderate, often evoking deportation as a solution. like many moderates, his initial flirtations with abolition were based on a principle that blacks should play no part on he development of the nation, seeing slavery as something of a crutch rather than a gross abuse of fundamental human rights.

of course, this was all based on what he presented publicly - which as a politician, must be contextualized within a need to win votes.
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I would strongly dispute calling it a moderate position. By the standards of today his early policies were, of course, racist. By the standards of the time he was far more progressive than the population at large - north and south. Yes there were those who advocated racial equality long before Lincoln, but those positions were a tiny minority until late in the war. And by the end of the war he had moved nearly all the way to the side of racial equality.
 
Lincoln had a complex, evolving but not completely enlightened view of slavery and civil rights (complex, meaning his views were suffused with political ideas and principles, such as the supremacy of states rights in matters of slavery, that people today might find pretty calloused and morally expedient). Yet he could be pretty unequivocal about his denunciation of the act itself. Team of Rivals, the book upon which this film is based, quotes Lincoln as saying that "if slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong." He probably held some racist views - appearing to doubt the equal intellectual capacity of all races - but he also treated Frederick Douglass as an equal on a moral, spiritual, and possibly mental plane. His comfortable idea that blacks and whites were better off living separately and never co-mingling was shattered upon the realization that many blacks identified themselves with America just as much as whites. I'm also hoping to read the recently released book about Lincoln and slavery, which will probably give a more complete view on this issue.

Anyway, there are multiple thematic angles that Spielberg could take with this film, so I'm interested in the events that it will actually cover. The only question with the screenplay is whether it can condense so much information into a two hour film.

EDIT: I'd rather that they cast based upon acting talent than appearances, but in this case I do think that appearances are important. According to John Nicolay, a secretary of Lincoln, photographs were "powerless" to capture the animations and subtle raw emotions of his countenance.
 
Variety‘s Jeff Sneider recently revealed that Day-Lewis “hasn’t broken his Lincoln accent since March” and his “real name doesn’t even appear on the call sheet.

lmao
 
What's scary is, you really have to focus, just to be able to see DDL in there. Just at a glance, I couldn't tell you that was DDL.
 
Liquidsnake said:
Hmmmm best ever you say?
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Yes! It instantly reminds you of sweeping epics from the golden era of hollywood: Gone with the Wind, Doctor Zhivago, Lawrence of Arabia and The English Patient from more contemporary times. It's got a sweeping orchestral soundtrack, incredible visuals, action, adventure, drama, romance, intrigue, double crossing and suspense. Its got heroes, heroines and villains. It's basically everything an excellent movie could possibly have, and it outperforms in all. DDL is just icing on the cake.
 
Damnit Sculli! I've managed to avoid pennies, $5 bills, history books and all of Washington DC until now so that I could see Spielberg's biopic with fresh eyes. But oooooh, you just had to spoil it for me.
 
Dan said:
Damnit Sculli! I've managed to avoid pennies, $5 bills, history books and all of Washington DC until now so that I could see Spielberg's biopic with fresh eyes. But oooooh, you just had to spoil it for me.
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To be fair, in all of those currency shots of Lincoln he was actually dining in Denny's. This is completely different.
 
Kraftwerk said:
"WTF DINOSAURS" - Sculli
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Yep. That was a film spoiler for me. I didn't even know he was doing a creation sequence. Not the same when you're going into a movie not knowing what to expect, wanting to go in completely fresh, versus going to see a movie called Lincoln starring DDL and seeing a pic of DDL off-set, not in costume.
 
Scullibundo said:
Yep. That was a film spoiler for me. I didn't even know he was doing a creation sequence. Not the same when you're going into a movie not knowing what to expect, wanting to go in completely fresh, versus going to see a movie called Lincoln starring DDL and seeing a pic of DDL off-set, not in costume.
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I undertand completely :)

Back on topic, I just read this line;

Variety‘s Jeff Sneider recently revealed that Day-Lewis “hasn’t broken his Lincoln accent since March” and his “real name doesn’t even appear on the call sheet.” I’ve heard from other sources that it is indeed the high-pitched tone Lincoln is infamous for.
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Fuck yes. I remember when I first read about production on My Left Foot. DDL was in character, IN THE GODDAMN WHEELCHAIR throughout production. The crew had to carry his wheelchair around the set, and by the end a lot of people hated him.

Fucking dedication.
 
This film is going to be hard to beat next year come awards season. Though lord knows if there were ever a year of insane competition.

And I think I'm finally over the fact that Neeson was looked over for the role after being attached to it for 10 years.
 
I've had a long standing bet with my friend in L.A - somebody who I used to go out for drinks with very often and the night would always devolve to us arguing about movies.

So anyway, one of our many arguments is that he thinks that Nolan is a better modern-day filmmaker than Spielberg, so our bet is on whose film performs better come the end of next year, with him going TDKR route for the Oscars. I laugh just thinking about it.
 
Scullibundo said:
I've had a long standing bet with my friend in L.A - somebody who I used to go out for drinks with very often and the night would always devolve to us arguing about movies.

So anyway, one of our many arguments is that he thinks that Nolan is a better modern-day filmmaker than Spielberg, so our bet is on whose film performs better come the end of next year, with him going TDKR route for the Oscars. I laugh just thinking about it.
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I like Nolan, but lol.

Munich, Catch Me If You Can, and Minority Report were all within the past decade for Spielberg. Do we count Saving Private Ryan as modern Spielberg? That alone seals it.
 
Scullibundo said:
I've had a long standing bet with my friend in L.A - somebody who I used to go out for drinks with very often and the night would always devolve to us arguing about movies.

So anyway, one of our many arguments is that he thinks that Nolan is a better modern-day filmmaker than Spielberg, so our bet is on whose film performs better come the end of next year, with him going TDKR route for the Oscars. I laugh just thinking about it.
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As much as I love Nolan, that is just silly. Steven on is a different caliber. Nolan will get to that point - I hope - just has to refine some things.
 
Scullibundo said:
I've had a long standing bet with my friend in L.A - somebody who I used to go out for drinks with very often and the night would always devolve to us arguing about movies.

So anyway, one of our many arguments is that he thinks that Nolan is a better modern-day filmmaker than Spielberg, so our bet is on whose film performs better come the end of next year, with him going TDKR route for the Oscars. I laugh just thinking about it.
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Your bet was based on the Oscars? Yeah, obviously Spielberg will do better.
 
as if my ticket was not already bought..

That picture just sealed it for me, Now I hope that Spielberg won't screw it up. Lincoln is one of my favorite historical figures ever.
 
Dan said:
Your bet was based on the Oscars? Yeah, obviously Spielberg will do better.
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What would you have us bet on? A lot of awards circuits are in such a rush these days to get their rulings out that they don't even wait for the year to finish up and don't even see all the movies.

Oscars was his suggestion, I said okay.
 
Kraftwerk said:
I undertand completely :)

Back on topic, I just read this line;



Fuck yes. I remember when I first read about production on My Left Foot. DDL was in character, IN THE GODDAMN WHEELCHAIR throughout production. The crew had to carry his wheelchair around the set, and by the end a lot of people hated him.

Fucking dedication.
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Fir his wifes sake, I hope DDL never takes a role as a gay character.
 
Scullibundo said:
What would you have us bet on? A lot of awards circuits are in such a rush these days to get their rulings out that they don't even wait for the year to finish up and don't even see all the movies.

Oscars was his suggestion, I said okay.
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Well, there are problems in all methods of trying to quantify that comparison. Something like Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic would probably be a closer call, but we all know how problematic those are. I just can't see The Dark Knight Rises winning many non-technical awards with the competition next year. There's too many big prestige pictures.
 
Bregor said:
I would strongly dispute calling it a moderate position. By the standards of today his early policies were, of course, racist. By the standards of the time he was far more progressive than the population at large - north and south. Yes there were those who advocated racial equality long before Lincoln, but those positions were a tiny minority until late in the war. And by the end of the war he had moved nearly all the way to the side of racial equality.
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Spielberg will whitewash everything; he doesn't take risks as a film maker, especially now of days. It'll be the same mythological view of Lincoln everyone is familiar with, and want to hear. I doubt we'll hear anything about him wanting to send former slaves back to Africa, a position he held through the Civil War, although there is debate on whether he changed his mind shortly before his death.
 
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