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Dark Souls |OT3| This thread moves faster than the Blighttown framerate
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sentry65 said:
My experience is that mage builds are actually the most overpowered at the moment. Even if you take away the cheese, like Tranquil Walk of Peace and Magic Shield, INT scaling on spell power seems to be a lot more effective than STR/DEX scaling on weapon power. Then you have Bellowing Dragoncrest Ring which gives a further huge boost in attack power. Crystal Soul Spear does tons of damage even when blocked with most shields and Homing Crystal Soul Mass makes you focus on dodging it rather than attacking the other player.
Hollow Soldier Shield + 15> Eagle Shield +15 by 1 stability, lol.
Eagle Shield has better protection against lightning, Hollow has better fire protection.
As for pvp, you can't stand still and cast soul arrows at people - instead focus on maintaining homing crystal soulmass orbs and get a soul spear off at the right time.
And then there's always the strong magic shield for invincibility. >.>
Eagle Shield has better protection against lightning, Hollow has better fire protection.
As for pvp, you can't stand still and cast soul arrows at people - instead focus on maintaining homing crystal soulmass orbs and get a soul spear off at the right time.
And then there's always the strong magic shield for invincibility. >.>
Ken said:
Ninja ring. Fireballs are a joke in PvP - the only viable pyromancy is really great combustion, which I've killed a lot of people with the last days. You COULD have a shield with high fire-block, and I see a lot of people using shields with less than %50 block. The problem with this tactic and just standing behind the shield is that I can leisurely walk up to you and blow fire in your face, and it still takes 200-300 damage.
This is why a good shield should be your last line of defense. Something you use in dire situations. Otherwise, your best friend is skills; skills with rolling with the ninja ring (Darkwood grain ring?) - it gives you increased invulnerability, which makes it excellent for PvE, too, but rolling is invaluable in PvP. Bait the person to use a spell, and roll around it, then counter.
schragnasher
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Dresden said:
I prefer the knockback on the eagle shield.
It's a toss up either way, just comes down to pure preference since the stability difference is so minimal. If I was better at parrying I'd probably just say outright that HSS is better, but w/e.schragnasher said:
I stick with the silver knight shield usually because both the Eagle and the Hollow shields look ugly as hell. Black Knight Shield on backup for fire damage.
DigitalDevil
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Dresden said:
but the hollow shield is so uglllllllllllllllllllllllllllly
sixghost said:
Spears are deadly if you're using a shield with high stability but they're a ticket to getting backstabbed and guard crushed. When I tank I like to use weapons that have good reach, wide arches and guard crush, it makes it easier to knock enemies off guard when they make a mistake or block too much.
Any of the following weapons upgraded to +15, Lighting +5, or Fire +10 make great PVP weapons:
Claymore - a greatsword that's moderately fast and does medium/high damage, also has above average reach.
Washing Pole - Fast, HUGE reach, moderate damage and does bleed damage. 3-4 direct strikes when 2 handing will generally make anyone bleed and cost them a ton of HP.
Great Sword/Zweihander - Ultra Greatswords with huge Reach and ridiculous damage when maxed out. 2-3 hits will take down pretty much anyone. Guard crushing with these things is ridiculous.
Black Knight Weapons - All BK weapons are pretty much amazing. Huge damage output, high stat scaling and some unique attacks compared to other weapons. Very heavy though.
The game is still so early PVP wise and these are just weapons that I have personal experience with. Pretty much any weapon in the game can be upgraded to be a great PVP weapon, the best thing to do is experiment and find a weapon that has an attack pattern and speed that suits you and stick with it.
Pyromancy is also an amazing second weapon. Combustion, Great Combustion, Great Fireball, Fire Surge, Firestorm. All can great damage when your glove is upgraded.
As for the BK weapons I think only the greataxe stands out. Nice swing speed, great reach, lovely sweep (although only the R1 attack is worth it - R2 is backstabville if you use it). All the other BK weapons either suffer from damage/scaling issues (halberd/sword) or have a terrible moveset (greatsword), in my opinion.
corrosivefrost
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See You Next Wednesday said:
Have them all. In the middle of my third, got both cursed and true greatswords and great shield of artorias.
Looks like maybe it's the Channeler's Trident.
Anyone who has the rare weapon trophy/cheevo NOT had a trident when they got it?
Dresden said:
I like the BK Greatswords moveset, it's better the same as a regular Greatsword. It also has great STR scaling. The heavy attacks are great for punishing people who try to heal or cast a long spell in the middle of combat. Sends them flying
.The BK Great Axe is by far the best of the bunch though, it's probably the best heavy weapon in the game, I haven't found anything better.
schragnasher said:
I was surprised by how incredibly measly the stamina stun from players is in PvP. I use the grass crest shield in PvP, and rarely block, but there was this dude yesterday that used a dragon tooth. I blocked it, and it didn't take away half my stamina with a +5 grass crest (which has low stability). The knockback on big shields are also way too slow and don't dent stamina in PvP. I'm sure it's cool for PvE, but just so you know
I agree, I don't like the BK Greatsword's moveset and it doesn't even do as much damage as the Great Axe. I will agree that the R1 attack is really the only viable attack for BK Great Axe in PvP, for both 1H and 2H, the 1H R2 is a ridiculous jump lunge attack, that almost always misses, and the 2H R2 has an insanely long lead up that only a moron would get caught with. The 2H R2 attack is amazing if you connect with it though, and will send the player flying, you can chain it too, right after you hit them with the first attack start another one and by the time they recover they are getting hit again. Extremely rare to pull off, works great on NPC's that I want to kill though.Dresden said:
charsace said:
Has D/E/-/C scaling, meaning D in Str, E in Dex, and C in Faith. BTW, there's two upgrade paths for Faith builds, Divine and Occult. One does holy and puts down skeles so a necromancer can't resurrect them, and the other does dark but usually has better scaling with Faith (but not always). Katanas are one weapon that don't actually get better Faith scaling with Occult, so you're better off keeping it Divine.
If you're looking at Katanas, go with a Divine Washing Pole imo, since the reach is awesome and you said you wanted to invest in Str anyway. It's 20 Str/16 Dex requirement to wield, but since Divine Katanas have D scaling in Str, you're better off with the Washing Pole than say Iaito which takes 14 Str and 20 Dex.
From what I've seen in the strategy guide, Occult weapons that get B rank scaling in Faith are only limited to Clubs (not even Maces, just Clubs), most 1H swords (longswords, falchions, etc.), fist weapons, and for heavier weapons, Large Clubs, Scythes, and Claymores (only claymores, no other greatsword).
Of All Trades
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I could see how it breaks things when you hit the level you went to but I feel that the game is made better if you use it to do things you would normally farm behind the 20k door for. I did it after Anor and used it mostly to get my faith higher for a convenience spell (homeward) and to max out my large/green shards so that I could bring any gear I was curious about upgrading to the point where you have to make real choices. Particularly after Anor, it seems like character stats matter far less than armor upgrades, and chunk upgrades are where things get important, so why waste my time with slugs or, frankly, abusing another "acceptable" glitch behind 20k? It's not like I get a feeling of accomplishment from farming.zerokoolpsx said:
Thagomizer
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Outside of help messages and the odd player ghost/bloodstain, I've had no interaction with other players (just unlocked the Depths) so far. I've spent a fair amount of time human and have only seen one summon sign, which was in a useless spot so I didn't even bother, and everytime I put down a summon signs, no one ever touches it- I put one down in front of the Taurus Demon's fog door and waited for half an hour, but no one ever summoned me. I've yet to be invaded as well.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
uh, can you get invaders while fighting a boss?
I was a Phantom helping someone fight the gaping dragon and out of no where comes all these giant soul arrows from up above. Some one/some thing kept firing magic down at us while we were fighting the boss. And we lost. weird. not sure what it could have been.
I was a Phantom helping someone fight the gaping dragon and out of no where comes all these giant soul arrows from up above. Some one/some thing kept firing magic down at us while we were fighting the boss. And we lost. weird. not sure what it could have been.
Thagomizer
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Just lost 20,000 souls and 3 Humanity in the Depths because I died to a fucking undead assassin
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
scosher said:
A-scaling should be limited to Demon's Great Axe
B-scaling should be:
Daggers: Dagger, Parrying Dagger, Bandit's Knife
Swords: Shortsword, Longsword, Balder Side Sword, Sunlight Straight Sword, Darksword
Great Swords: Bastard Sword, Claymore
Curved Swords: Falchion, Scimitar, Painting Guardian Sword, Murakumo
Hammers: Club, Large Club
Polearms: Great Scythe
Fists: Caestus, Claw
Not counting Bows, anyway (Pharis, Short, and Long get up to S, Composite gets up to A)
DuendeSmoker
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John Harker said:
No man, that's the blue robe guy that shoots soul arrows and pumps up the mobs. The host probably reached the boss through the shortcut without killing the mobs before the giant rat and because of that, that blue-robe enemy keeps nuking you.
Wallachia said:
I'm pretty sure my NAT Is open.
Man, when I was helping people in the depths.. that was amazing. 2 or 3 of us traversing through the sewers, trying not to make any mistakes and come across the frogs, following the human player even though you know he's going the wrong direction... and then getting some help, leading the pack to the boss and conquering the gaping dragon in my own world.
I've done every boss since solo because I'm having no more luck with co-op. Worked fine for Capra, Gaping, and maybe one other earlier boss, and thats it. Actually I might have had help/helped on Queelagg too.
Sullichin said:
Totally, it's so cool with 2 or 3 people.
Interesting, about your NAT.. that confirms that it's not a NAT Type 3 problem exclusively. A friend at Namco/Bandai says the patch will be coming soon, and should help with this. I am NAT Type 3, and as I was saying, get summons SOMETIMES, and it seems to be best in Blighttown for me.. I am level 41.
falconzss said:
Yeah totally. Wow. Yeah I am NAT 3 and Demon's Souls works ALOT better for online. Here's to hoping the patch helps things.
Totally, it's sad just WAITING for that BEING SUMMONED AS A PHANTOM to flash across the screen.. but what a rush when it does, haha.
Keep laying it down every 2 minutes or so.
johntown
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What's your SL?Sullichin said:I can't! (Anor Londo)
EDIT: Where are you placing the summon sign? Right after the first spinning platform that you ride down is a good place. If your SL is above 60 you might be out of range of most people on the 1st run though and too far below most everyone on NG+.
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