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johntown
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So TWOP is bad but fog ring is not that bad?Septimius said:
I agree with using TWOP and the fog ring and magic etc. People like that will be gone from PVP once that patch comes out because they have no PVP skills to begin with so I agree with you there.
I use TWOP but that is because I am a magic user. Yeah they can limit the range a little bit but too much and it will make the miracle useless.
Lord_Nergal
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Defuser said:
You can also dupe humanity with the soul dupe.
Lord_Nergal
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frequency said:
No, you return to the Asylum and head off to the left before entering; there's a nest out there and Snuggly speaks to you about wanting stuff. Give her one of the mosses and you get a Twinkling Titanite in return (two for the Toxic curing moss).
The glitch is that you can drop an item, reload your game, drop the item again, and then pick up your reward. This essentially sets Snuggly into thinking that you just dropped the item for the trade so you can reload the game, drop the item again, and then pick up your reward. Repeat infinitely. When you wish to end things, reload your game, drop the item, pick up the reward, and then pick up the item.
Edit: Applies to all items you can trade with her, though the only notable infinitely repeated ones are the Moss for Twinkling Titanite, Prism Stones for Demon Titanite, and Egg Vermifuge for Dragon Scales.
johntown said:
No, the range isn't the only problem. The movement speed penalty is too severe, but more significantly, you can't even roll. Not even just a heavy tumble, you just stand there as if out of breath. They should change TWoP so that if you're a light armor class (<25% burden), it would hardly affect you, and at most, change your rolls into the <50% class. If you're a heavy armor class at <50% equip burden, TWoP should merely change your rolls into tumbles.
You don't even need the fog ring. TWoP + Homing Soulmass is a ridiculously deadly combo that takes care of fog ring users as well.
corrosivefrost
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frequency said:
No, that's what the small birds nest on the cliff at undead asylum is for. It's just like trading with the crow in 4-1 in Demon's Souls.
Augemitbutter
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anybody else never upgrade bonfires past +10? never really needed more than 10 flasks in all my playthroughs...
johntown said:
Yes. Fog Ring is cheap, but can still be defeated. I have beaten plenty of people who were using the Fog Ring with no other exploit.
TWOP is on a whole different level of cheapness. It it practically an instant kill to get caught in it unless the other player is completely incompetent and the range is huge. I've had TWOP users invade and take out co-op groups of 3 easily.
johntown said:
Isn't it enough that actually connecting with a Crystal Soul Spear is a one-hit kill against most players?
And why can't a sorcerer wear armor?
Thagomizer
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Are there any clues as to what the hell that enormous skull in Ash Lake is?
johntown
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TWOP users can be beat fairly easily as well. If they use it on you then you use it right back on them.tokkun said:
Yes but connecting is not that easy on someone who actually has some skill in PVP. What about strength builds that can one shot me if they time their shots correctly? It is the same with homing crystal......unless you use TWOP
EDIT: They can wear armor but usually most of them do not. I can deal with the PVP in game no matter what they do to it. Nothing will stop me from playing it because I will adapt to whatever is thrown at me.
sotodefonk
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Augemitbutter said:
I did some of them to +20 in my first playthrough, but now in NG+ Just barely need more than 5...
johntown said:
You're about SL 90? My build is very different.
VIT 21
ATT 23
END 11
STR 9
DEX 12
RES 8
INT 50
FAI 8
Heater shield +15, Logan's catalyst, enchanted bandit's knife +5
Encumbrance is <25%. I go for the dodge and casting spells out of their melee range. It works great, I've stomped 2v1 and 3v1 situations. Fights seldom last more than 30s.
johntown said:TWOP users can be beat fairly easily as well. If they use it on you then you use it right back on them.
Yes but connecting is not that easy on someone who actually has some skill in PVP. What about strength builds that can one shot me if they time their shots correctly? It is the same with homing crystal......unless you use TWOP
I liked how you're not addressing the fact that it's a free backstab on the opponent unless they have a wide sweeping knockdown attack. Or how you can cast the spells before the engagement begins. Or hide between a wall and then cast TWOP.
Wrath of God behind the wall? It's fine, I can roll away or even if I don't 300-400 and knockdown. TWOP behind the wall? It's already over.
edit:
STR 24
DEX 25
Seems a little excessive for a magic user.
MomoPufflet
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Sarcasm said:
Septimius said:
Did I misread the notes? I didn't see mention of the infinite soul glitch. I guess I could see it going either way in terms of being patched out or not.
Edit:
To elaborate; if they completely fix invasion levels, I don't think the glitch hurts anyone. And it potentially could keep people interested in the game for much longer after they've beaten it several times (easier to try new builds for pvp at any level they want). I guess it could be argued that it makes it too easy to upgrade, especially if they are adding many of the materials to the buy list of the Giant blacksmith. But I think in a way it levels the playing field between people who are serious about pvp. In contrast stuff like magic shield exploit and tranquil walk directly effects gameplay, so I don't think there is much argument against them being patched.
Thagomizer
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Xanathus said:
It's a hominid skull though.
Oracle Dragon
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scosher said:
I don't think homing soulmass is enough on it's own. I invaded someones world before and they were a fog ring user so I switched to Homing Crystal Soulmass since I knew it would hit him anyways. I hit him multiple times and it only brought him down to 1/2 maybe 1/3. The cast time + charge time for Homing Crystal Soulmass is so slow he was able to chug Estus in between while he just stood there laughing. I can't even interrupt his Estus chugging if he is in heavy armor. I'm only on NG+ and with 2 stacks of the spell (50 int) he had more Estus than I had spells Homing Crystal Soulmass spells
Once I was out he was terrible to hit while wearing the fog ring.Oracle Dragon
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MomoPufflet said:
TBH I really don't care if the soul glitch is patched out or not, it doesn't have much impact at all. Your SL really doesn't mean much in terms of PvP, and most PvP won't put everything to 99 anyways since it limits too much the number of people you can invade... PvP'ers want less soul level not more (in general). The item upgrades are so cheap that if you glitch to get them you aren't getting anything I couldn't do with 20 minutes of forest farming anyways.
The crow dupe should be fixed since it makes twinkling too easy to get, but the soul glitch basically doesn't matter. It only hurts (IMO) PvP and I couldn't care less if someone did it to make their PvE game easier.
I find NG+ to be way easier than first playthrough. You know what to do, where to go, what to expect, plus you have great weapons/spells. The enemies just seem to do more damage and have more health, but you barely get hit anyway and your stuff is so good they die in 1-2 hits so...Deadstar said:
johntown
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Wow it seems like you have ran into some PVP situations that have been very cheap. I honestly never really thought about anything like that. I already knew Strong Magic Shield and the fog ring were cheap but I really did not realize how cheap TWOP was until I started reading all these replies.sleepykyo said:
The STR and DEX is because I started out melee for my first run but after Anor Londo I focused on magic. It also lets me use a wider variety of weapons. If I could de-level my STR would go down. BTW my starting class was a thief.
Mortrialus
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ixix said:
Whether Gwyn knew linking the fire would kill him or not is debatable. He brought half of his knights along with him to link the fire and put them directly in harms way, killing them. That doesn't seem like something he would do if he knew linking the fire was going to consume him and everything around him, assuming he's not a dick.
Risk Breaker
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Risk Breaker said:
Sorry for repeating myself, but I haven't read anything about this yet.
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