iceatcs
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Will SNP allow that? or will they say England push us problem? If UK move most refugees (500K+) to Scotland.
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David Cameron: "...we will provide resettlement for thousands more Syrian refugees. "
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Will SNP allow that? or will they say England push us problem? If UK move most refugees (500K+) to Scotland.
TanookiTom
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Yes, probably not anytime soon for Syria at least... :-(
But that's actually all the more reason to find solutions, because it's not a problem that is just gonna go away if we ignore it (or even donate money).
You do realize the 3 biggest citys of Germany have each taken the same amount or more refugees than the whole UK, right?
Take Hamburg for example:
Population 1.7 million
Density: 2,300/km2
Refugees accepted: 20k
CelticKnight
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Yeah, but isn't like half of Scotland just mountains? How much of the country is actually habitable?
It'd be chilly in the winter on Ben Nevis in a tent.
RoadHazard
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What does size have to do with anything? It's not like smaller countries are struggling because of a lack of physical space to put the immigrants in. Just because we happen to have a lot of empty space here in Sweden that doesn't mean we can just chuck a million refugees into the woods and hope they manage. They actually need somewhere to live, optimally a job, etc. Houses and jobs don't just pop into existence. This "our country has a smaller area, so it's harder for us" argument is utter nonsense.
I think we should all agree that the whole world should be doing more.
Pretty much, lots of empty space and small rural communities outwidth the central belt and the North East.
There's no real facilities in Scotland apart from some ex-military bases and some due to be condemned council high rises (I doubt either are in habitable condition at the minute). Sturgeon has pledged to take 10% which is slightly above Scotland's proportion of the UK's population (about 8.3%-8.4% give or take)
iceatcs
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But they are refugees. They will live. Living on aids food.
Or is it not allow?
Where did I say it is harder for us? All I was saying is Germany and France can afford to take more refugees then UK. But UK can afford to take far more then around 10k. Oh and I didn't mention Sweden.
More Fun To Compute
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UK had votes in parliament on intervention and is significantly funding refugee camps and has staff in the region supporting them. The navy is in the Mediterranean trying to save lives. Honestly it would be nice to see some more journalists covering these camps instead of safely reporting only on the ones inside EU borders.
iceatcs
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Help local, bombing bad guys, give aids.
QuicheFontaine
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I was really only responding to the population density thing. I see this whole UK and Germany are similar thing all the time, but really England (where most people in the UK actually live) is crowded by most European standards. The way people write on here, you'd think we only get to complain when we have the highest population density in the EU.
RoadHazard
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You were talking about physical country size as if it were relevant to how many immigrants a given country can handle.
"Crowded", lol. Yeah, you're more "crowded" than most other EU countries, but come on. A few thousand or even a hundred thousand more immigrants won't make any difference. Again, it's irrelevant unless we're talking about millions and millions of immigrants coming to the same country. And we're not.
ClosingADoor
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They probably are, but I don't have any numbers.
Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark is helping in the air forces. France is busy in Mali, together with a dozen or so other EU countries.
In any case, lots of countries can do more then they are doing now and probably should. I think we can all agree on that.
If I post exactly that as a reaction on a news-article on refugees, I get tons of replies that are in general like : ''but there's thousands of IS terrorists that come with them'' or ''most of these refugees only come here for our wealth''
There's really no discussion possible with a lot of people, on the internet at least.
More Fun To Compute
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At any rate these are democratic countries. It's not up to Merkel or German tabloids to bully them into doing certain things
I was only comparing 3 countries. I didn't include the others as I don't know how many refugees they have taken, what their population is etc. That's why I didn't include places like Sweden etc etc.
Darkangel
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The way I see it, just because Germany is going all out with the refugees doesn't mean the UK has to. If there's an EU law stating that they have no control over this, then I can see why so many Britons want to exit.
If Syria is indeed permanently fucked, then the future of the Syrian refugees should lay with the surrounding Gulf and Arab countries. They have the same religion, the same language, a similar culture and they're geographically close. The oil states should easily be able to pay for them, and the integration process would be fairly straight forward.
If Syria is indeed permanently fucked, then the future of the Syrian refugees should lay with the surrounding Gulf and Arab countries. They have the same religion, the same language, a similar culture and they're geographically close. The oil states should easily be able to pay for them, and the integration process would be fairly straight forward.
Lebanon already took in 1.2 million Syrian refugees.
That's more than the whole of Europe?
QuicheFontaine
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So, you're saying it will make a difference at some point in between "a hundred thousand" and "millions"?
ClosingADoor
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Nobody is bullying anyone. There are EU meetings about these things and the countries leaders will agree (or not) on the distribution of the refugees.
More Fun To Compute
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Hah. Tell that to the Greeks.
So in the end, it's "up to 20,000 refugees from Syria over the next five years."
Totally pathetic compared to Germany taking 800,000 this year alone, and even France are doing 24,000 over the next two years.
Edit: Fixing my fix to a typo that wasn't a typo. Assumed references to Germany taking 800,000 refugees meant 80,000, but nope, they really meant 800,000
Totally pathetic compared to Germany taking 800,000 this year alone, and even France are doing 24,000 over the next two years.
Edit: Fixing my fix to a typo that wasn't a typo. Assumed references to Germany taking 800,000 refugees meant 80,000, but nope, they really meant 800,000
The UK has given more than the rest of Europe *combined* to support the refugee camps in Syria and neighbouring countries. Which is what the UN and charities in the area still feel is the best solution.
(I am all in favour of taking in refugees, just wanted to point out that it isn't like the UK is doing nothing here. It's spending very large amounts in different ways).
80 000? You're off by a factor if 10. Germany is expecting 800 000 refugees this year.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0QO1QR20150819
So much for the BBC hyping it up. They made it sound like it was happening this year.
RoadHazard
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Again, that wasn't even remotely my point. Forget about Sweden, my point was that physical area is not the limiting factor for any of the countries we're talking about. Much more relevant is population size.
Eh, not really. The entire world's population could easily fit in England. Other factors are infinitely more relevant.
QuicheFontaine
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Ok, so I'm talking to a fucking space cadet. Good to know.
In real life i don't know anybody that thinks like this but if i view replies on the biggest national newspaper website on an article on refugees it seems almost everybody else does.
I know the internet is full of hyperbole but sometimes it saddens me that so many people seem to be afraid of this.
Which I corrected and did in a post after that one. At the end of the day all it comes down to is both France and Uk can do more.
Disgusting.
RoadHazard
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Yeeep! Well, no, lol, but it's hardly a controversial statement. It is easily possible. Would it be good? Probably not. Definitely not. But the point was just to demonstrate how ridiculous it is to argue that the UK's population density is in any way relevant when it comes to taking in a few thousand or tens of thousands of refugees. There's room for them. EASILY.
Absolutely.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
The fuck? That's just disgusting. You're talking about fucking ORPHANS. Nah, fuck this, shut EU down. Us and Germany will start a new Humane Union, and you bastards can't join.
Terrible policy. Leaving aside the human element of it, it doesn't even make sense. Spend their formative years educating them and then suddenly kicking them out of the country at the point where they can pay back taxes and contribute to society?
Yeah not only is it evil, its a really dumb policy.
CharmingCharlie
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I have to confess this actually made me laugh. I was wondering what Cammy boy was playing at. When you consider Cameron and co have caused the death of thousands of their own citizens it seems pretty damn odd they have suddenly become all "compassionate" to those nasty evil foreigners.
About the only thing that could make this worse is if these orphans were to be housed in a Guest house conveniently near MP's and Parliament for erm.............. recreational reasons shall we say.
I never thought the Tories could come up with someone worse than Margaret Thatcher. But they really outdid themselves and created a three headed beast of complete cuntness in the form of Cameron, Osbourne and old IDS with Theresa bringing up the rear as an arsehole.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Ravensmash
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This is why I'm not completely convinced this is fact.
Nomad Blue
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But when added to the 300,000+ other migrants Britain gets in a year, it does make a difference.
eot
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"fuck 'em, not my problem"
There isn't an EU law btw, it's about taking responsibility for a humanitarian crisis they helped create and helping people in need.
IdreamofHIME
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Put all the refugees in the moutains. What a great idea. Maybe send a few to St Kilda too.
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