Mephisto40
Member
Shall we just create a forum post every time somebody on the planet gets fired and claim it's disrespectful? I think that would go down really well
David Jaffe: Sad, frustrating, potentially super disrespectful news dropping tomorrow about Playstation
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They had huge success with Crash Bandicoot and Jak and Daxter on PS1 and 2. I think you're kind of revisionist historying them to be honest.
Orbital2060
Member
Shawn Layden escorted out of the building?
Just wondering - who are the staff that went with her, and how does this affect internal productions? if they all went, who are running that part of the business now?
Negotiator101
Member
This is a lot more serious than that, this ain't just one person this shows complete mismanagement on a broader scale and a disconnect from the talent creating these games and what they want to create.
kaizenkko
Member
The Last Guardian is one of the WORST games I played in my life.
The Astrobot team is essentially Team Asobi (coincidently the only part who remain from Japan Studios).
Haha, thats!
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Mephisto40
Member
I'm sure Sony will keep pumping out 9/10 exclusives regardless tbh
Isn't that how things are operating usually?
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kaizenkko
Member
But there's no prove about that. The only person who is saying that is one guy who lives from Youtube-drama videos and, for a reason everyone knows, hates Sony.
he's going on Colt Eastwood's podcast to among other things discuss Spider-Man
edit: anyone wanna bet that it's going to largely be a discussion centered around the narrative the Xbox evangelists have been pushing that it's the buggiest game of the year?
How low can a man fall to?
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Mismanagement seems to be a recurring theme across gaming companies IMO. EA, Ubisoft, Microsoft and even Japanese studios like Square Enix and Konami have been showing signs of this.
I'm not old enough to know this but has it always been like this in the gaming industry? Or is it more prominent now that gaming is seemingly one on the most lucrative industries.
I'm not old enough to know this but has it always been like this in the gaming industry? Or is it more prominent now that gaming is seemingly one on the most lucrative industries.
Negotiator101
Member
Oh OK he made all that up did he? Are we living in fantasy land or something? Sony could literally burn him at the stake for making up shit like this.
kaizenkko
Member
Yep, he made it up. He needs it to get food on table.
Mr Moose
Member
"I'm not fucking leaving without that life sized God of War statue!"
Look. There is a real possibility that some of the stuff he is saying is extrapolated to extreme (either by him or by sources he is speaking to), but he would not made up high profile PlayStation person to be fired. So I really doubt he made it up.
And regarding Sony's focus on GAAS. Even Schreier reported that pivot to those style of games is "uncomfortable" for some Sony studios. So let's not pretend that everything is just fine.
So as I said. He is probably right about Connie Booth (why on Earth would he made up this?), and probably also about GAAS push. But since he has only two sources, their reporting can be maybe skewed. Because they are just two people.
kaizenkko
Member
Connie situation could happen for a lot of reason and I have sure that nothing like he is talking. Playstation GAAS "focus" is not a surprise, everyone knows that.
The rest of things are just ridiculous and cleary said in bad faith.
But you need to know reason why she is not working at PlayStation to say that what Jaffe is saying is not true.
You can't just say "I don't know why it happened, but it for sure didn't happened in the way he is saying it happened." Because it's dumb as hell.
I was listening to Jaffe few times and I never thought that he has axe to grind against Sony. He is critical to fuckups of Microsoft, and same is for Sony. But of course it is possible that those two sources of his have axe to grind against current PlayStation management.
kaizenkko
Member
What I'm saying is that he gets one true info and overdramatics that, putting personal thoughts and others things that for me don't makes sense. Why PS studios are mad? Sony is forcing them to do gaas? It can be true, but is a completly change of direction and go agaist all the public statements about Sony develpment freedom.
For me a lot of talk about Sony these days are exaggerated.
Japan Studios closure? Bad studio who don't have make nothing good in decades.
GAAS focus? They are developing a lot of singleplayer games as well.
And besides all that, Sony keep putting GOTY contenders like GOW Ragnarok and Spider-Man 2 year after year. But yeah, for some reason those drama-youtubers are right.
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
All growth + change is "uncomfortable". Jason inserted a throway comment with no specifics there because he knows how to chum the waters.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Thank God, Devil Jim Ryan is leaving.
We just need to eliminate the next pest.
Hermen Hulst.
For my part, as I did with Kamiya... I will stop buying the Killzone and Horizon games or any other Guerrilla game
We just need to eliminate the next pest.
Hermen Hulst.
For my part, as I did with Kamiya... I will stop buying the Killzone and Horizon games or any other Guerrilla game
No gamer should care who these people are. Execs aren't your friends. They **** up and lose their way as in any other business. There are power struggles and the new people in place think they can do better.
As a long-time PlayStation gamer I'm not happy with Sony's output and how slow studios are to release AAA titles. They all need a shake-up.
Oh, and there's nothing more embarrassing than seeing clueless, basement dwelling, console warriors (particularly on Twitter) trying to portray themselves as credible news sources. Anyone who dedicates so much of their life to podcasting and console warring clearing has issues.
As a long-time PlayStation gamer I'm not happy with Sony's output and how slow studios are to release AAA titles. They all need a shake-up.
Oh, and there's nothing more embarrassing than seeing clueless, basement dwelling, console warriors (particularly on Twitter) trying to portray themselves as credible news sources. Anyone who dedicates so much of their life to podcasting and console warring clearing has issues.
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Ehh. Is talk about Sony really exaggerated? I mean. I thought that talk about Xbox is exaggerated, where janitor leaves and this forum pretends that Xbox is going out of business.
Japan Studios closure itself isn't a "bad thing" but it is clear sing, that current PlayStation is more about AAA blockbusters then is about more varied games. Which is kinda okayish, since dev costs are really ballooning and you can't afford fuckups. But I get that people took that closure in a bad way since Japan Studio was a staple. Also, if that studio really was inefficient, Sony should stepped in and restructure it. Not downsize it to to point of insignificance.
GAAS focus is clear as day. And yes, they are developing a lot of singleplayer games. But what people are forgetting is fact that since game development is way longer process then in last gen, if you have same number of studios making singleplayer games, you will get less singleplayer games during generation. Just look at Naughty Dog who released 2 games during PS4 era and now it looks like they will be happy if they will manage to get one game shipped during this gen. Same for Sucker Punch (2 games last gen) or Guerrilla Games (2 games last gen, 1 cross-gen). And Sony basically don't have anything story-drive announced after Spider-Man 2 and we know that new story games from Naughty Dog, Sony Santa Monica, Bend, Sucker Punch and Guerrilla are years away (since AAA game development is currently +- 5 years). That's why people are worried.
And since even biggest PlayStation studios including Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games and Insomniac are/were working on live service stuff, I really doubt it was not a mandate for Sony in style "You can make SP game, but we also need GaaS game. You can do whatever you want, but we need to be able to monetise it." GG chose Horizon series for that, Naughty Dog The Last of Us and Insomniac chose...whatever (probably Marvel). Sony also cancelled GaaS project from Deviation Games so it's pretty clear that their GaaS push is not smooth sailing.
But I guess we will see. Sony has currently 2 first-party games announced for 2024 - Helldivers 2 and Concord - both GaaS games. I wonder if they will announce some story-drive goodies for next year.
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kaizenkko
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They maintained Team Asobi, who have develop the only good game from Japan Studio in the last decade.
1) They have adquire studios to do single-player stuff, like Housemarque, Bluepoint and Firesprite.
2) They significant growed studios like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Guerrilla and Santa Monica.
Yeah, development time is big, but I don't know what people expect. Produce values of studios like Naughty Dog are extremely high, it's obvious their next game will take time.
Besides Naughty Dog, these other studios always have done multiplayer focused games. And I'm sure they have some exclusives singleplayer games planned for 2024.
And well, there's a lot of third-party exclusive games who probably are gonna launch in 2024, like Rise of the Ronin, Silent Hill 2 Remake, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth (already confirmed). Sony always used third-party games to feed the gaps between first-party development, nothing have change. But now it's a problem...
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saintjules
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he's going on Colt Eastwood's podcast to among other things discuss Spider-Man
edit: anyone wanna bet that it's going to largely be a discussion centered around the narrative the Xbox evangelists have been pushing that it's the buggiest game of the year?
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
Gaming is a war for attention.
GAAS is designed to keep players attention for hundreds and thousands of hours.
Single player is designed to take a chunk of change up front, to the detriment of attention.
The race has to be towards GAAS. The company that excels at GAAS the most, wins the war.
The following GIF is representative of the new battlefield. The repeater is GAAS. the Samurai is single player.
Sun Tzu understood the power of GAAS.
GAAS is designed to keep players attention for hundreds and thousands of hours.
Single player is designed to take a chunk of change up front, to the detriment of attention.
The race has to be towards GAAS. The company that excels at GAAS the most, wins the war.
The following GIF is representative of the new battlefield. The repeater is GAAS. the Samurai is single player.
Sun Tzu understood the power of GAAS.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I guess I am just getting old and yelling at people to get off my lawn but I don't like this future.Gaming is a war for attention.
GAAS is designed to keep players attention for hundreds and thousands of hours.
Single player is designed to take a chunk of change up front, to the detriment of attention.
The race has to be towards GAAS. The company that excels at GAAS the most, wins the war.
The following GIF is representative of the new battlefield. The repeater is GAAS. the Samurai is single player.
Sun Tzu understood the power of GAAS.
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
Neither did the Samurai. Still made an awesome movie about you guys though!
Topher
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So still seeing no news about this.
Thankfully that future is only real inside his head. Single player games are going no where. Even if every major developer jumps into that gaas shithole there will be spaces opened up for independent devs like Remedy, CDPR and others to fill those gaps and make a shitton of money not chasing the latest pot of gold which, in most cases, ends in failure.
Thankfully that future is only real inside his head. Single player games are going no where. Even if every major developer jumps into that gaas shithole there will be spaces opened up for independent devs like Remedy, CDPR and others to fill those gaps and make a shitton of money not chasing the latest pot of gold which, in most cases, ends in failure.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
If you listen how Jaffe talks, the guy would be a walking lawsuit waiting to happen in todays business environment.
I don't think he can turn it off or is different in a business environment, at least not for long.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Let's join together gamers and Playstation fans, because Hermen Hulst is the one who destroyed part of the Playstation brand.
Let's stop buying the Killzone, Horizon and games produced by Guerrilla Studios. We are going to unite in protest so that they give us back the Japanese studios, give us back Japan Studio and improve the quality of treatment towards their consumers.
If we can get Jim Ryan out... We can get Hermen Hulst out too.
Let's stop buying the Killzone, Horizon and games produced by Guerrilla Studios. We are going to unite in protest so that they give us back the Japanese studios, give us back Japan Studio and improve the quality of treatment towards their consumers.
If we can get Jim Ryan out... We can get Hermen Hulst out too.
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nowhat
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If you really thing "gamers" got Jim Ryan out, I have a link for you to check out which may be helpful:
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Delusions of grandeur is when one has a false belief about one's own greatness or skills. Learn the signs of this mental illness, see a few examples, and more today.
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sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
ShadyAcshuns
Member
If GaaS wins the war, then all gamers lose.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
When there is pressure you can do a lot... Unity's example was very good for the industry.If you really thing "gamers" got Jim Ryan out, I have a link for you to check out which may be helpful:
What Are Delusions of Grandeur?
Delusions of grandeur is when one has a false belief about one's own greatness or skills. Learn the signs of this mental illness, see a few examples, and more today.
saintjules
Member
Not this time.
hinch7
Member
With Jim Ryan leaving and this hopefully the ship is steered more towards a regular old PS games that people actually want. Not nice to hear someone get fired though..
As for Japan Studios as much I loved their games the writing was on the wall. You can't have a studio, floundering and producing non results and bleeding money for years and still have them continue soldering on. When those resources can go towards other studios that can deliver.
As for Japan Studios as much I loved their games the writing was on the wall. You can't have a studio, floundering and producing non results and bleeding money for years and still have them continue soldering on. When those resources can go towards other studios that can deliver.
Ronin_7
Member
Regular games are still being made.
Sony ain't changing the GaaS strategy since this is a Pivot that is happening alongside the old & current strategy.
Japan Studio was
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hinch7
Member
Hmm with TLOU MP delay, other studios affected and all these changes idk.. Seems like a big shakeup is going on. And true JS in the latter years were pretty bad.Regular games are still being made.
Sony ain't changing the GaaS strategy since this is a Pivot that is happening alongside the old & current strategy.
Japan Studio was
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Ronin_7
Member
Shake up doesn't mean games are cancelled, Sony just want new people overseeing these games.
I guarantee you, all those games will keep being made 100%.
Last of Us i don't think it's happening though.
Source: I'm a software engineering at a multi billion dollar company, these things and shake ups are perfectly normal every few years.
There's usually a big meeting where you see which new Team you'll be inserted, you work in small agile teams I'm sure SIE also operates like this.