phaedrus
Member
Connie Booth?! No. It can't be. Not Connie.
SONYYYYYYYY
David Jaffe: Sad, frustrating, potentially super disrespectful news dropping tomorrow about Playstation
- Thread starter Alex Scott
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He's ungodly, against logic and common sense.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
It wasn't just about COVID sales growth not lasting, it's the immense inflation combined with high interest rates.
Sales are actually still pretty high in gaming, so Peleton is probably not the best example. They had a poor business model, something I've called Microsoft out on as it relates to GamePass and Day 1 PC.
Mephisto40
Member
Does David Jaffe have a boner for this woman or something?
Bojji
Member
Probably white CIS males, "there is too many of them!".
Mownoc
Member
Sad, frustrating and potentially super disrespectful. While he has zero idea about the circumstances in which she has left.
She was involved in a ton of PlayStation games and franchises over the years but surely David knew how overblown a vague tweet like that would become and it turns out to be one person leaving or potentially getting fired for an unknown reason. Wow
She was involved in a ton of PlayStation games and franchises over the years but surely David knew how overblown a vague tweet like that would become and it turns out to be one person leaving or potentially getting fired for an unknown reason. Wow
StealthGoblin
Banned
If the team left alongside her then it's due to a change of direction and there being some friction.
If that isn't true it could be retirement. She's been with the company a similar length to Jim Ryan, possibly longer.
She's clearly fantastic at what she does, but there isn't a lot of experience with building out multiplayer games there.
If Angie Smets is taking over then maybe that's why as at least she's out out Killzone and was there to help build out Horizon Online and must have had a hand in the Horizon MMO.
I don't know if Herman made the decision, but if he did he's leaving himself wide open to accusations of nepotism.
If that isn't true it could be retirement. She's been with the company a similar length to Jim Ryan, possibly longer.
She's clearly fantastic at what she does, but there isn't a lot of experience with building out multiplayer games there.
If Angie Smets is taking over then maybe that's why as at least she's out out Killzone and was there to help build out Horizon Online and must have had a hand in the Horizon MMO.
I don't know if Herman made the decision, but if he did he's leaving himself wide open to accusations of nepotism.
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
He's obsessed with her, Shannon Studstill, and Shuehi Yoshida.
Everything he sees is through the lens of when he worked at Sony.
Imagine saying Sony is dead because David Jaffe has left Sony in 2012 and then God of War 2018 comes out. Doesn't sound dead to me.
Jason Rubin and Andy Gavin literally founded Naughty Dog, but Naughty Dog didn't hit the peak of their success until well after they left. That's not causation mind you or even correlation, it's just goes to show that we sometimes give too much credence to personnel issues.
SirTerry-T
Member
Loved her work with John Cleese back in the day ...wait ..what....oh.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
When you have someone like Jim Ryan exit, it creates a vacuum. Everyone wants to fill the void, but only one person gets tapped. Totally possible that she interviewed for the CEO position and didn't get it and when you don't get a job you think you should have, sometimes the only recourse is to leave.
Once you reach a level in your career and within the hierarchy of your company you have to take stock of where you can go. Connie is 55 years old. She has to ask herself if she isn't getting the bump to head of PlayStation now, is she going to get it in 5-10 years when the next person goes? She'd be 60-65. That's pretty unlikely.
These things happen.
Mod team should look at a full ban of all things David Jaffe who is a complete alarmist and drama queen, who instead of making games is doing a podcast talking to random eastern Europeans who dial in, drudging up clickbait to get more views. No one in gaming takes him seriously, and it's time for neogaf to catch up to that.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I wonder if she still owns a PS1.
Portugeezer
Member
Is it time to ban Jaffe threads? I like the guy, but if this is what he was talking about then it's clout chasing and time to ignore.
Wastelander92
Member
Oh no someone retiring after 34 years. God the Xbox fanboys/paid astrosurfers on Twitter are dumb af.
nial
Member
Her team? He makes it sound like she had a group of people making a game and they all got sacked. She was vice-president of Product Development for god's sake, that is not a creative role.
He is, AGAIN, telling us virtually nothing about the matter. Why would I think someone leaving a company is such a "disrespectful" thing?
The fact that some (very specific) people were anxiously waiting for today's "news" is pretty laughable on its own.
He is, AGAIN, telling us virtually nothing about the matter. Why would I think someone leaving a company is such a "disrespectful" thing?
The fact that some (very specific) people were anxiously waiting for today's "news" is pretty laughable on its own.
Salty Hippo
Member
So this was about Jaffe being a simp?
Kenpachii
Member
Sounds like it
The weird gloating/doomsdaying is funny in retrospect.
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
Every year that goes by he is less of an insider in the gaming industry. So how do you stay relevant? You blow things up, you say outlandish things.
Starfield is the best game ever made.
It's been obvious for a long time that he was pursuing the Xbox fandom on the internet. There is a huge market for that. You can't go on Twitter without finding people trolling in favor of Xbox with a multitude of followers. Either Microsoft pays for this stuff or it elicits it through their relationships.
When you have people who depend entirely on Xbox existing as a platform, you can expect bias. People like Jaffe, DF, and these Xbox podcasts.
How do you do comparison videos between PlayStation and Xbox if Xbox doesn't exist? What happens to Digital Foundry without comparison videos? How do you have an Xbox website or an Xbox podcast if Microsoft doesn't have a platform? Does anyone see any Sega sites or podcasts that are thriving?
A lot of people make money off the console wars and it is beyond pathetic.
Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
Hey if I was in my mid 50s like Jaffe is I would bang.
ulantan
Member
Betrayed!!!! Lmfao
Saber
Newd Member
Would be good news then.
chromatic9
Member
Connie and Sony had a good run.
StealthGoblin
Banned
She won't have gone for president of SIE. She's not qualified for that.
Jim Ryan was the obvious candidate for me last time. I have no idea who I'd pick this time.
Rendered Tangent
Banned
First post: Shock horror, awful news, Sony are finished...and no this is not click bait designed to attract attention.
Next day: Well, it's not that they are finished exactly, it's still really bad though.
Day after: I mean, it's not that bad, but it's still a bit unfortunate.
Day after that: So, it looks like it was false alarm.
Day after that: Shock horror, awful news, Microsoft are finished...
Next day: Well, it's not that they are finished exactly, it's still really bad though.
Day after: I mean, it's not that bad, but it's still a bit unfortunate.
Day after that: So, it looks like it was false alarm.
Day after that: Shock horror, awful news, Microsoft are finished...
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LiquidMetal14
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Give me the company touched back and doesn't employ a full force at all time? I don't give a damn if it's Microsoft or anybody else. If people are being laid off I feel bad for them. But business is business. Anybody seen the merger between WWE and the UFC? Regardless of merger, businesses go on and I'm not sure what to tell anybody unless they have a family member that works there and of course sympathize with people. But you can't stop a business from being a business.
So many people in the games industry, be they executives, devs, journalists, influencers need to come to terms with the fact they don't actually matter all that much.
Any individual can be replaced, the gaming bubble is irrelevant versus the broader market. Time and again we see how out of touch gaming media is.
Any individual can be replaced, the gaming bubble is irrelevant versus the broader market. Time and again we see how out of touch gaming media is.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
I've never understood why people on this site pay Jaffe any fucking attention, dude is a crackpot living off past glory.
ReBurn
Gold Member
The threads themselves aren't the problem. The problem with Jaffe threads is the influx of childish reaction-chasing hot takes in response to them. The bashing and virtue signaling that derails the threads to the point that it's impossible to have a discussion of the topic.
No wonder industry folks barely show up any more. It's impossible for them to have a conversation here because they get treated like shit. Feels like someone who had been at PlayStation since 1989 getting fired would be something worth talking about, but nope. Little fire emojis are more important. It's kind of gross.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
I mean she's as qualified as anyone else in the company. I think that's part of the problem.
There is a decent chance that they go with an outsider for the first time in company history. I don't find that likely, but the structure of SIE today, means that there really isn't any obvious choices.
Back when SIE Was SCE, you had leadership at SCEJ, SCEA, and SCEE. Now that it is SIE, everything is headquartered in California and that is where the executive leadership team is. If you look at the executive leadership team at SIE, no one jumps off the board as though they were groomed by Jim Ryan to be his successor. You look at Andrew House, Kaz Hirai, and Ken Kutaragi... they all made sense.
Maybe you look at Herman Hulst, but he hasn't really delivered either.
Masayasu Ito could have been an option.
Lin Tao has a pretty decent chance at it.
Shakka43
Member
Hermen Hulzt probably.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
It's not that it's not necessarily worth talking about, it's the fact that he made it sound like it was doomsday.
She's head of production. There is some element of creativity there, but she isn't involved with the games getting actually made. Her longevity at PlayStation also doesn't mean that gamers are going to feel an impact. It's next person up. The next person could be better, they could be just as good, or they could be worse.
If her team quit because she was fired or didn't get promoted and they saw that they weren't going to move up with her, that could be a larger discussion.
Given that we'll probably never know the full details, it's not really all that much worth talking about. She had a great career with Sony, she's made millions of dollars over the course of her career. Life is good.
Zheph
Member
I do agree with you in general but I am not sure it applies here, the original post was already quite messy to begin with and I believe the ex dev is kinda know for similar clickbaits/extreme takes
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Hypereides
Member
Agreed.
Yeah, Jaffe might've over-exaggerated this news to some degree, but it still has some significance. Jaffe clearly has some respect for Bonnie since she probably was involved and influenced a lot of his work. I can respect why he'd feel strongly about this change.
mitch1971
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Fake
Member
Hope so.
Mownoc
Member
Vaguely teased something he was going to post a few hours later and then gets upset when people have different expectations. It's really incredible. Why on earth would he "tease" some news like this instead of just waiting a few more hours and actually posting it. Very strange behaviour.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
I seriously doubt Herman gets the bump to CEO of SIE. They've never gone with the creatives for the position. It's always the business side of things, marketing or engineering.
Herman doesn't have an MBA. If you give him the bump, you also now need to find a replacement of head of PlayStation Studios, which means you probably take a look at another studio head and you'd have to look at Neil despite how people feel about him, but he's quite busy as well with the HBO show, he also lacks the experience. So you could look at Ted Price, but Ted Price probably doesn't want to leave Insomniac for a job that has a lot less longevity at this point in his career. Maybe you tap Shuhei again, but again, that comes with its own problems. Kazunori Yamauchi makes no sense there either.
I think the reason Herman got the nod for PlayStation Studios head was because of his longevity, the success of Horizon at the time, and the Decima engine.
He co-founded Guerrilla in 2000 and he's been with Sony since Sony acquired them in 2005.
You look at Naughty Dog and they were acquired before Guerrilla Games, but Evan Wells didn't become President of the company until 2005 and he was co-president with Stephen White and then White was replaced by Christophe Balestra. Balestra left in 2017. Druckman was made co-president in 2020.
I think between Evan Wells and Herman Hulst, I would have gone with Evan Wells, but again, we don't know if he wanted the job and technically Herman has more experience. I think Jim Ryan had a hand in that and his obvious preference for Europe. This is another position that could have gone to someone like a Connie Booth.
CherryFalls
Banned
Jaffee was promoting his PAID membership for extra/early info on her departure.
He was FINANCIALLY profiting off of the news that she was leaving. Very respectful.
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Mibu no ookami
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The problem is no one really has insight into how decisions are made, so we're ultimately a results-driven society. We see the results and we attach praise or criticism based on those results.
The reality is it takes a lot of people generally to make something work.
You look at a lot of problems with someone like the prequel trilogy and it didn't work as well because no one told George Lucas no. Then you look at the sequel trilogy and it didn't work because it didn't have someone steering the wheel. Two extremes with negative results.
We don't like GaaS and because we don't like it, we don't like the direction Sony is going with it. Meanwhile, the industry recognizes that is where sustained revenue is. and some people really like GaaS.
He was one of the few devs that didn't leave GAF during the great REEEE-upheaval, plus he started God of War.
And he is probably a major reason God of War 2018 is what it is, as his vision for GoW3 included the Norse pantheon of Gods.
His relevance waned long ago though.
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