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DC Cinematic Universe |OT| Superfriends with Benefits
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unholyrevenger72
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no profit? JL isn't going to cost that much to make.
Quite frankly, when a movie like Civil War is poised to make $1.3 billion at the end of its run no one should be bringing up superhero fatigue or people being tired of the Marvel formula.
Should only be bringing it up when a movie heavily underperforms like BvS did.
I think a case for fatigue can be made if a movie is well-received but heavily underperforms. This was not the case for BvS.
Yeah, what Icon said. Im not sure the whole fatigue thing is happening but I don't see the logic in stating a movie with poor reviews and general negative response is when to 'bring it up.'
You're right, I meant to say when a well-received Marvel movie underperforms like BvS did.
what was each movie expected to do? I don't really keep up with box office predictions.
Even then, I'm not really sure the correlation has to exist for such a discussion. If the domestic numbers are correct, it is somewhat interesting.
The $180 OW of CW was expected by Disney. Some BO analysts did go a bit nuts with the $200m+ predictions yes, but it pretty much hit the expectations of the company.
The 2nd weekend drop of -59% is in line with the Age of Ultron and Iron Man 3 drop.
Basically things are as expected for Civil War. Should end up between Iron Man 3 and Avengers 2 in terms of worldwide gross.
For BvS I think everyone expected it to do the numbers Civil War is currently doing but the drops were pretty massive due to WOM.
That's what was expected? That's interesting. Seems like rather low expectations considering this is basically the new avengers movie plus Spidey. Though I guess I'm surprised in some ways that they also expect Avengers movies to keep dropping domestically.
I keep kind of chalked Ultron's drop to the movie itself. Much like I expect BvS' drops were due in large part to its reception.
Amen bruv.
Branding matters. Besides, Disney has a slew of marketing analysts working for them with access to untold amounts of data. The rumor has been their internal expectation was $1.2-1.3B and it looks like it'll get close to to that number.
I think you have to consider the films history. No matter what, its still a Cap film.
It may have a lot of Avengers in it, but prior to these films starting to gain steam, they had to settle for 350m - 800m box office takes in between Avengers films. It was only when there was an Avengers that they got to reap the big pull ins. But if they can begin breaking 1.2b on these films by the second or third entry, that shit HAS to be great.
Deadpool, GotG and SS I think are going to cement this. I don't think it matters anymore what studio is behind it, or if it's a Huge HUGE event team up movie or not. Just be good and people will show up and you will have a 750+ million take.
With that being the new baseline, I think superhero fatigue is a joke.
I think Justice League does a billion minimum. I know everyone seems to have a consensus that BvS == JL boxoffice wise because it has 3 of the most popular people, and that CW == Avengers box office wise because it has so many Avengers, but I dont believe that. I still think the name matters. And by virtue of being literally called "Justice League" it will be above and beyond the solo films anyway.
I dunno, I feel like Justice League's ceiling will be a billion instead of its floor if it happens to be received somewhere between BvS and MoS.
If it gets decent reviews, and with JL happening so soon after BvS I do think reviews will have an inordinately large impact, a billion is practically guaranteed. A good reception though is not, at least not with Snyder at the helm.
Yeezus H. Christ
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It's definitely not as simple as that. You need marketing that's on point to a T, which is what Deadpool and GotG had in spades. I doubt that even if Dr. Strange was on the level quality-wise with both of those films that it would hit $750 million. Maybe $700 million given good marketing, and $600-650 if not.
Hard to say so early at this point, but BvS realllllly hurt the DC film brand. Excluding the factors of SS/WW and their critical reception, at this point people would look at Justice League, remember BvS, and mostly skip. Quality aside, it wasn't a fun superhero film that most families would prefer.
A lot of people have said this, and I think it rings true: the novelty is gone.
Poodlestrike
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I always kind of laugh when people talk about Superhero fatigue as if there's some kind of inundation. People point to the fall of Westerns, but from the 30s to the 50s, around 20% of American produced movies were Westerns. Upwards of a hundred per year.
Not remotely comparable.
Not remotely comparable.
I agree for Deadpool, and I still want to disagree for GoTG but reality smacked me hard and forces me to admit I was wrong about that one.
Got rekt when the eventual crow thread came around, but I still stand by my own personal tastes, I thought the trailers for Guardians were try hard as fuck. Just terrible. I don't know what everyone else saw in them that I didn't.
I still think that JL shakes off any reception of BvS now thats its been a few weeks since I have seen BvS. The taste always washes out eventually, and those terrible Thor movies didn't stop Avengers so I'm going to apply the same logic here. Especially since I expect Suicide Squad to please.
I don't know. I think CW has enough to really differentiate it from the Cap movies before it. Especially when the marketing features so many Avengers and Spider-Man. Much like when you've got a Batman in your post MoS Superman movie, the stakes and expectations are a little different. Branding in terms of your title is one thing, but so is the branding you're doing with the characters you are showing the audience. I think all three of those other movies has something rather unique to them. Of course, if every Marvel movie from here on out is featuring multiple Avengers (and fairly prominently), then I suppose whatever the baseline is does shift as we aren't necessarily dealing with 'solo' superhero movies anymore.
Likewise I don't think there's that much of a guarantee in numbers just because Justice League is in the title. Hell I'd offer that's even less meaningful than actually using the names Batman and Superman to the mainstream audiences.
All that said, I also don't know that I buy into 'fatigue' yet. You may be right in that superhero movies have settled into that Disney/Pixar zone where certain levels of success are almost a given. It's all very interesting and will be a fascinating next few years.
Yeezus H. Christ
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lmfaooo you got destroyed bruh
Wb that Civil War 900 prediction tho haha
But yeah, I get where you're coming from but Thor wasn't nearly as crucial to the Avengers movies as BvS was. BvS was practically the entire set-up for JL, featuring the three biggest characters for the JL.
No one gives a shit about the Thor movies, lmao.
Smokey_Run
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SS and WW will end up mattering more at this point. It's a "what have you done for me lately" world. SS has to be good and WW just has to play it safe and JL will be fine if it reviews well.
Also can we stop parroting that "can't believe WB didn't make 1 billi with these two, it was a lock"
No it wasn't a lock.
The fact they made 860-900M on the legs of a film that was savaged by critics and all is a testament of that brand. I have faith that if this movie had the reception of Civil War, it would've grossed just as much. So people shouldn't be saying "WB should've made a billi because it's a lock" but "WB should've made a better recieved movie"
I think people saw that Avengers movie do bonkers and now fully expect every movie to hit that water mark (which isn't fair at all). What if that's the market cap on these films? What if it was the appeal of that first build up? Who knows... it's not a disappointment and Disney was right to give conservative projections.
Disney does that, almost always. They are a very conservative when they give earnings estimates and even when it came to Force Awakens. They were very very conservative trying to keep the hype in check.
It's the internet... that's how stuff spreads. I keep walking into threads going "Well Snyder might get his wish about having Batman raped"
Ugh, that's not what he said, but it's being repeated like it's gospel truth.
I don't even think that's the ceiling if JL comes out with BVS reception. I might even guess lower. You had people tuning in for BVS, now you need to work to get those people back for JL. Work harder for those who didn't enjoy BVS and convince them that it's different this time.
lovely ladies
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I saw that there's a new Man of Steel thread lol, maybe the DC movie threads will shift back to MoS again.
Smokey_Run
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JL with BvS reception would be lucky to do $800M in my opinion.
What did he mean by this?
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The climactic meeting of Batman and Will Smith will make more money than Batman and Superman
Discotheque
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legit more excited for batman meeting the suicide squad villains than the justice league team up tbh.
unholyrevenger72
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JL will be lucky to make 800 million period. The waters have been poisoned.
Discotheque
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no i think the 800 is practically guaranteed with this production. billion+ though is up in the air
unholyrevenger72
Banned
nah, Not with
Snyder is a Hack
MoS Sucked
BvS Sucked even more
Cavill Sucks
Amy Adams has no chemistry with Cavill
Not muh Superman
Not Marvel
all working against it.
Kenzodielocke
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Cavill doesn't suck. The way his character is written sucks. Cavill is a great guy, and I think with his death he can be happy again when he's back. That is my hope.
unholyrevenger72
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You misunderstand, it's just a list of opinions people have that affect the box office.
evil solrac v3.0
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is it a guarantee by the way that Batman will meet with the suicide Squad in the movie? my takeaway from everything is that Batman is involved in some sort of flashback and not the present story line.
Discotheque
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nah. that's 50/50 on him meeting them in the present. though bruce wayne was spotted on set too and i don't really see any room for him in flashbacks, just batman.
either way though joker is all but guaranteed in batman, maybe they'll throw a suicide squad villain in there too for him to squash for a minute.
Animated movie had quite a lot of batman, but trailers for the movie don`t give that impression at all.
Schweinehund
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People don't give a shit, hell most of the memes are aimed at Ben or Cavill instead of Snyder, when they both did good in the movie. People here really are just asses, even going so far as to attack someone over their looks.
So ScreenRant has an article detailing Darkseid's family history.
http://screenrant.com/justice-league-movie-villain-darkseid-explained/
In it they suggest that the alien we see in the Communion clip isn't actually Steppenwolf but perhaps Yuga Khan. Darkseid's father and Steppenwolf's brother. Looking at an image of him it does look more like Yuga Khan due to the armor and helmet.
Steppenwolf is below in how he's shown in the New 52.
http://screenrant.com/justice-league-movie-villain-darkseid-explained/
In it they suggest that the alien we see in the Communion clip isn't actually Steppenwolf but perhaps Yuga Khan. Darkseid's father and Steppenwolf's brother. Looking at an image of him it does look more like Yuga Khan due to the armor and helmet.
Steppenwolf is below in how he's shown in the New 52.
Could go either way honestly.
Should have been rated R.
And Will Smith isn't gonna play some mercenary killer, he plays safe characters
Nah I just want him to be an evil dick and spout nonsense about the anti-life equation.
Roland_Gunner
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But that really isn't his character in the comics. Since the original New Gods books from Kirby, Darkseid has been portrayed as a literal god of evil / oppression and contrasted with the love and freedom of Highfather. Basing his character around revenge ignores what makes the New Gods unique.
That's what Ocean Master is for.
Poodlestrike
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Naw, Orm is a lot more interesting when he's not a villain.
Doesn't he has an origin story when he was manipulated into evil? Or was that Thanos? Lol
Nope. His original origin had him murdering his brother and claiming the Omega Force en route to becoming God of Evil and ruler of Apokolips. In the N52 they upped the ante and had him claim his power through deicide.
Either way he is evil through and through and always has been.
If they depicted him like a typical evil conqueror I feel like he'd just be compared to Thanos and if you change him then it's not really Darkseid.
Easiest way around it is to just use someone else.
Poodlestrike
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It's true, the biggest mistake they could make with Darkseid is making him into another typical alien conqueror type. He's not. He's the God of Evil and Tyranny. Play that shit up.
We're talking about Snyder, he probably gets rock hard just thinking about the New Gods
Snyder makes Superman seem so detached from humanity by emphasizing his godlike power. Darkseid is a few levels above that so there's no way he comes across like a generic villain. I think Snyder's visual eye may have met the one character he may not be able to properly get across the screen.
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