Hierophant
Banned
i always thought watchmen was untouchable (even those before watchmen comics left a bad taste in my mouth). this just seems kinda grotesque but hey if its good its good
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DC Comics announces "Doomsday Clock", starring Superman and some blue guy
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Father_Brain
Banned
Especially when Johns himself has written some of the grimmest, most violent superhero comics DC has ever published.
Conkersbadfurday
Member
Sure I did. I listed Wonder Woman. It's just easier to list the two that are good.
Just Green Arrow Rebirth these days
thehypocrite
Member
It's almost like time passes and things change and shit...who would have thought???
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
mixed. some like it and some hate it. One of those things you gotta read and form your own impressions tbh.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I have a feeling that they're going to portray Dr. Manhattan wrong.
Or, you know, the number of times he had stepped out of bounds with doing horrendous acts with any character he has worked with.
I have faith because Snyder da gawd can tell me first hand it's gonna be good.
Oops sorry wrong Snyder
Conkersbadfurday
Member
Lies and slander!
It took some time for him to adjust to making a bi-weekly action book, but when he's been on, he's been fucking on. It's a very layered series of slow burns that work as a study of Batman as a character and as a cultural artifact.
No.
Brianimaniac
Banned
It's better than Vision.
Green Ninja
Banned
What are you even talking about? It was announced as a two year saga from the get go and Geoff was always going to write the main story but he was occupied with his film and tv writing. Do some actual research before you start complaining about how this was a publicity scam.
I will fellate Tom King all day.
But his Batman is, uhh, an acquired taste. On its good days.
Well that's certainly something I've never heard before lol. To each their own.
Tragicomedy
Member
Nope. It ranges from bad to mediocre. Super repetitive. Almost no plot advancement after 20+ issues.
The best Batman Rebirth book was the Button one, and that wasn't written by King. I'm not surprised.
Conkersbadfurday
Member
It's goddamned abysmal is what it is.
Father_Brain
Banned
well, then ask Dan DiDio why he told Vulture exactly the opposite last December
Conkersbadfurday
Member
There's so much good stuff coming out of Image right now, so it's not all bad. Lot of great 5-issue mini series too, so you ain't stuck wondering if it'll ever end.
Brianimaniac
Banned
It's a character study, not a plot book.
Imo, watchmen would be worse with established characters. People would have complained about mischaracterization.
ArgyleReptile
Banned
ToyMachine228
Member
Is there anywhere that you can catch up on this plot so far or has it been scattered throughout a bunch of different books?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Naruto says hi.
DC Universe: Rebirth #1
Batman #21 - Part 1
The Flash #21 - Part 2
Batman #22 - Part 3
The Flash #22 - Part 4
Tragicomedy
Member
It's neither, unless you consider paper thin motivation and rehashed Bat Angst a character study.
I do dig the constant repetition of dialogue in attempt to add gravitas...to add gravitas...to add gravitas.
Brianimaniac
Banned
You're being really reductive, which really isn't a great foundation for a conversation.
ArgyleReptile
Banned
Can't wait for the reboot.
I'm pretty pumped tbh. The Superman Reborn and Button arcs have been great, and DC as a whole is really impressing with most of their output. (Come on, Justice League, Aquaman and Cyborg. Pick it up.)
Comic books are weird, crazy and nothing is off-limits. All we can do is hope that it's great.
Comic books are weird, crazy and nothing is off-limits. All we can do is hope that it's great.
clay_ghost
Member
I don't really follow Naruto but the sequel is about the new generation and the older generation aging right? It's seems different from what DC and Marvel is doing. Most Japanese manga series tend not to reboot or operate in a sliding timeline too.
I don't like the book, but I gotta agree King's run feels like a character study.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I'm not talking about reboots. I'm more using it as an example of the numerous things the series did towards it's long run and conclusion that completely botched certain characters and motivations.
"So the bad guys weren't really the bad guys? They were being controlled by one super bad guy? Cuz fate and reincarnation? WTF?"
MisterHero
Super Member
they already killed post-crisis superman
how much more suffering do i have to endure
how much more suffering do i have to endure
Tragicomedy
Member
Reductive? Nope. I stated I didn't like the book and explained why. You attempted Gafsplaining® that the book isn't about plot but instead a character study. That reductive opinion addresses none of my criticisms with the book, and starts from a position of error. I'd love for you to tell King how much you enjoy him ignoring plot and pacing in favor of the same themes we've seen for years in Batman.
First one is valid, though. Maybe leave them alone?
I gotta agree, Morrison showed that you can these types of stories with the characters The Watchmen are based off of.
What are The Question and Cpt. Atom up to in Rebirth anyways?
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
I guess this is what Alan Moore feels like.
True but if they're already on the table, you might as well play it out.
Eh, even if Before Watchmen was bad, if somebody can think of a good story that actually makes good use of the characters, there's no reason they should be forever off limits.
Again, it's not like Moore is an angel about being respectful with characters created by other people.