Yep, I'm 100% guilty of wanting other people to like what I like. I have no problems admitting that. I will never force anyone to like what I like or be mean to them for having an opposing viewpoint, but it gets really frustrating to try and talk about MoS, BvS, and now SS without having some fuckwad chime in with shit drive by posts and derail everything. Nothing is ever done to stop them from doing so, which means the only place we can talk about it is in this thread which is just an echo chamber of people liking the same stuff. It's hard to get a really great in depth opposing viewpoint in this thread (through no fault of anyone here), compared to the OT forum. But again, you start to get a great conversation going and BAM! Evans laughing meme quoted 5 times in a row.
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Exactly. I don't have a ton of experience with Suicide Squad but the books that I've read made it clear to me that any film adaptation would have to be rated R. They're supposed nasty and kinda schlocky. When I heard the movie was PG-13, not gonna lie, I got kinda down. Compromises were being made to make sure it fell inside the Hollywood Blockbuster mold.
I imagine I'll have more to say once I finally see the movie. Right now, I'm just really curious to watch it.
Sibersk Esto
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Faraci gave "Suicide Squad" a fresh review
He continues to surprise and I'll ignore his review. He's definitely a guy I don't agree with on reviews and this only worries me that he actually liked SS... hopefully I do too.
His actual review was pretty negative though wasn't it?
Kenzodielocke
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Any other reactions of the cast to the critical reception?
Yes and that's why I said more needs to be done to stop shit like that in those threads, because that doesn't foster conversation. It's literally there to derail and make fun of people.
So far I really don't know what the smoking gun is about what's wrong with the movie. Some say it has no "soul". Some say pacing issues. And some say a weak plot.
Pacing, editing and lackluster villain mostly. The rest flip flop between hating certain characters and others loving those characters.
I honestly don't think it needed to be R
The Squad isn't necessarily violent and brutual.
I mean the reason they work for the Squad is because mostly kind of losers who got caught and can't break out.
It's more like a rag tag team of villains who luck their way through a mission while trying to save their own necks.
It doesn't need to be too gorey or even harsh language for that to work.
Do you have word on the positives? Is the action good?
I think Travers and Roeper reviews put it into proper perspective. It's the movie being limp dicked, lol. Like, you have all these unique characters at your disposal and you give them the most hackneyed stories or you don't use them at all.
Seriously, read Roeper's review. It's good. I wonder if he's seen BvS UE. He liked BvS.
KoruptData
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I know. I have tickets for Thursday and Friday with the wife, we have bought a bunch of merch already as we loved what we have seen visually already. I don't know why I'm bummed or even trying to figure out what's wrong with a movie I haven't even seen myself. I don't know why I care that a majority of critics didn't like it.
I guess I do, it's money. If these movie don't make the money that other movies in the same genre, the greedy studios will probably pull the plug on future movies filled with characters I love. In reality, I liked MoS, BvS. I really liked them more than most of Marvels output and I know that puts me in the minority but it's true. I have a life long investment in DCs characters and the Avengers really don't do it for me.
I'm probably going to go see it, love it, question the majority. Ask myself why I'm different than the majority, question is the majority right and am I wrong? Do I have bad taste? Ultimately I won't care, go on with my life, roll my eyes at future threads and post leading up to the next DC movie where hype will ravel me back in and I'll care too much and repeat the cycle.
So their problem is that they feel these characters are held back in some capacity?
YUP! I'm the exact way. Though I may like the Marvel stuff a bit more than you. But Batman is my guy.
Hard to say. A lot of the reviews seem to be more focused on viral taglines. The only true positives come from liking the characters but even that changes depending on the reviewer. I haven't seen every review but the ones I've taken a look at were written by people who use terms like "cringe" and "try-hard" so not a lot of depth. The ones comparing 10 minutes of Leto to Ledger's go irritate me. I'm curious what Ledger Joker looks like if I cut out 95% of his screen time.
Real talk, is there any hope for DC fans to get feel good validation from critics at thos point? Maybe it's time to just embrace reality like us Bayformers fans.
Dont try to use us to validate your awful taste, duck!
Dont try to use us to validate your awful taste, duck!
I don't need validation! You won't see any persecution complex from me!
broncobuster
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That's the disappointment for me. Either mentioned it in this thread or the review thread, it's sharing my problems with X-Men Apocalypse. Sounds as if it's filtered through the safe blockbuster mold that Marvel Studios often employs, but not as well. Ayer can be a bold writer and filmmaker and the concept is ripe to be ambitious. That it's not, allegedly, is a bummer.
I said this when Batman v Superman came out. I'm not a hard guy to please. Neither is the general movie audience really. The thing is you're dealing with people who have consumed this material for YEARS. So you have expectations on how things should go.
Like honestly from what I've seen pacing, editing. Doesn't really bother me and I wonder how jarring it truly is. That's why I need to watch it for myself. A weak villain is a let down, but outside of the Nolan Trilogy I don't think any CBM has had a really good or memorable villain.
Like honestly from what I've seen pacing, editing. Doesn't really bother me and I wonder how jarring it truly is. That's why I need to watch it for myself. A weak villain is a let down, but outside of the Nolan Trilogy I don't think any CBM has had a really good or memorable villain.
bryanee
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Real talk, is there any hope for DC fans to get feel good validation from critics at thos point? Maybe it's time to just embrace reality like us Bayformers fans.
lol being a Bayformers fan I've learnt not to even bother reading reviews. If I wanna see it, I will see it and by god if I like it I will fooking like it.
Probably, it's hard to say for sure until I've seen the movie. I get the feeling that Ayer works best in the R rating since he can cut loose with the dialogue and paint a really grimy atmosphere. The Squad might not be violent themselves, but the world they're in doesn't hold back seeing as how the punishment for failing is their heads getting blown off.
But I agree that an R rating isn't necessarily the elixir for a good SS movie. I think it helps though.
That's what I got basically. They used the words 'disappointment' and 'dull' a lot which means they were envisioning something a bit more crazier.
We'll find out the truth in a few days.
Can't agree with you on the last bit, good buddy. I'm a champion of Zod and Lex.
KoruptData
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That's why I love MoS. Zod was fucking fantastic.
I didn't know they actually existed.
Real talk, is there any hope for DC fans to get feel good validation from critics at thos point? Maybe it's time to just embrace reality like us Bayformers fans.
Personally, I don't need critics to feel validated
What I do need is a break from all the constant Chris Evans memes and images. That gets old and annoying PAINFULLY quickly.
GringoSuave89
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Real talk, is there any hope for DC fans to get feel good validation from critics at thos point? Maybe it's time to just embrace reality like us Bayformers fans.
I've accepted that fate after BvS reviews. Glad I saw the movie before reviews hit, it seemed way blown out of proportion. Just enjoy the movie, or don't. Why let critics spoil it for you?
DecoReturns
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More like Liverpool. Looking at the past with Nolan.
Honestly I don't get the Arsenal comparison tho
Edit: Actually I think I get it...
DecoReturns
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Well at least you got Benitez, hopefully with full control
Ok ok. You guys are right. Zod was pretty good..
But see that's what I kinda find issue with. If the stories and characters worked within the context of the movie it shouldn't be an issue. Like the movie is how we're being introduced to said characters. Not what my preconceived notion of the character should be. If that makes sense.
You're right. We'll see in a couple of days.
More like a Newcastle fan. Used to have glory days but recently it's just been mismanaged and disappointment but now we find ourselves with new found hope in Geoff Johns and Rafa.
A fellow Newcastle fan in here? Oh hey
You've seen SS? or were you talking about seeing BvS before reviews hit?
True, things are looking up (despite travelling downwards...)
I wish I could say the same for DC at the moment.
DecoReturns
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Kenzodielocke
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I am a HSV fan. I suffered too much already. I wish I would stop caring.
DecoReturns
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Uhhh, what happen to your Avatar?
GringoSuave89
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BvS, sorry, should have specified.
johnnydrama
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"Soldiers talk about that moment when they shut off, when the war finally wins. For me, this is that moment"
KoruptData
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Well, if DC fans in here are equating themselves to sports teams, try being a Cincinnati sports fan. Reds and Bengals.
The Driver
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Hoping that the Batfleck flick is taut, dialogue-based, and bold at this point.
Honestly starting to think that failure of the DCEU is biting off more than they can chew. Yeah, as a DC buff I'm losing my mind with all these characters, references and set up for EVEN MORE cool shit down the line, but it's clear it isn't being executed well enough for others outside of that demo.
This is two movies in a row being bogged down by pacing/editing issues now. Granted I haven't seen the movie, so I'm still gonna watch it for myself and I'll probably still dig it but WB needs to produce something tight and consistent throughout.
Not even getting into complaints of the lackluster villain and the free pass seemingly given to Marvel antagonists. I'll chalk that up to critics just happening to reach their breaking point on that type of 3rd act/villain just as SS happens to make the mistake of leaning on that (which yeah, I'm hyped and I like SS but I find that shit lame anywhere). If Doctor Strange drops and Mads turns out to be weakly written and no one says a peep then yeah, things are fucked.
Honestly starting to think that failure of the DCEU is biting off more than they can chew. Yeah, as a DC buff I'm losing my mind with all these characters, references and set up for EVEN MORE cool shit down the line, but it's clear it isn't being executed well enough for others outside of that demo.
This is two movies in a row being bogged down by pacing/editing issues now. Granted I haven't seen the movie, so I'm still gonna watch it for myself and I'll probably still dig it but WB needs to produce something tight and consistent throughout.
Not even getting into complaints of the lackluster villain and the free pass seemingly given to Marvel antagonists. I'll chalk that up to critics just happening to reach their breaking point on that type of 3rd act/villain just as SS happens to make the mistake of leaning on that (which yeah, I'm hyped and I like SS but I find that shit lame anywhere). If Doctor Strange drops and Mads turns out to be weakly written and no one says a peep then yeah, things are fucked.
Because people who haven't already convinced themselves that they're going to like the movie don't feel like throwing money and time away on something that could be a waste.
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