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DC Extended Universe |OT3| A League of Academy Award Winners
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It's definitely a homage to Donner's movie. Patti loves the original Superman and used that as an inspiration for making WW. She talked about it in an interview. I'll post it later.Forgive my ignorance, but isn't WW seeming like an adaptation of theWW animated movie? Even has the alleyway scene where she saves Steve. However everyone calls it an homage to Reeves. I mean I guess both could he true?
Anyways, yeah, I don't know what to think right now. I'm glad we have positive buzz for a change. It feels weird lol.
clay_ghost
Member
Good movie will always generate positive feedback.It's definitely a homage to Donner's movie. Patti loves the original Superman and used that as an inspiration for making WW. She talked about it in an interview. I'll post it later.
Anyways, yeah, I don't know what to think right now. I'm glad we have positive buzz for a change. It feels weird lol.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Good movie will always generate positive feedback.
That's not true some times, I am not talking about the DCEU btw. , but movies have been panned before, but now are considered all time classics.
clay_ghost
Member
That's not true some times, I am not talking about the DCEU btw. , but movies have been panned before, but now are considered all time classics.
How many blade runner like movies are there?
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Most Kubrick movies have experience that, Unbreakable, Enemy, Fight Club, Apocalypse Now and The Thing without research.How many blade runner like movies are there?
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
Positive buzz can be quite deceiving tho. Be cautious, just in case.
clay_ghost
Member
Ohhhhhhhhh.... Are they hated by everyone then or have a following like the DC movies. It may be a matter of generation taste change.Most Kubrick movies have experience that, Unbreakable, Enemy, Fight Club, Apocalypse Now and The Thing without research.
I am be on the wrong side of history and Syderstone Dceu movies may be loved years after lol.
Positive buzz can be quite deceiving tho. Be cautious, just in case.
Cautious? Hell nah. I'm hyped beyond belief. Wonder Woman's gonna be the amazest of cbm movies.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Ohhhhhhhhh.... Are they hated by everyone then or have a following like the DC movies. It may be a matter of generation taste change.
I am be on the wrong side of history and Syderstone Dceu movies may be loved years after lol.
Dude, are you even reading? I have said "I am not talking about the DCEU btw.".
It's definitely a homage to Donner's movie. Patti loves the original Superman and used that as an inspiration for making WW. She talked about it in an interview. I'll post it later.
Anyways, yeah, I don't know what to think right now. I'm glad we have positive buzz for a change. It feels weird lol.
Was the WW movie an homage to Donner then?
clay_ghost
Member
Yes. I know. I am just wondering if Snyders movies face the same reception ( from both critics and normal movies goers) as those movies. I like most of the movies that were mentioned so I am wondering if it's a generation thing and Snyders movies will be loved years after.Dude, are you even reading? I have said "I am not talking about the DCEU btw.".
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Yes. I know. I am just wondering if Snyders movies face the same reception ( from both critics and normal movies goers) as those movies. I like most of the movies that were mentioned so I am wondering if it's a generation thing and Snyders movies will be loved years after.
FWIW, audiences, if you got the RT, like his movies way more than critics.
Yeah wtf WW actually looks awesome. Cap and Thor look like Asterix & Obelix in comparison.That said, would be lying if I said one didn't catch my eye
@mikeryan
Easily the best of the DCEU. And I liked MAN OF STEEL. It's part CAPTAIN AMERICA: FIRST AVENGER and part "fish out of water" THOR 1.
This has probably sold me more on giving the film a chance than any of the trailers and any promo material except one poster. (Although the MoS compliment obviously has me wary.)
Yes. I know. I am just wondering if Snyders movies face the same reception ( from both critics and normal movies goers) as those movies. I liked most of the movies that was mentioned so I am wondering if it's a generation thing and Snyders movies will be loved years after.
Ehhhh doubtful imo, and I am a big fan. I think he was just saying that good movies are not always praised when they are released. But not necessarily saying that these are those type of movies
Snyder's DC movies are made from the perspective of a creator putting his own spin on these franchises, as opposed to paying lip service to fans. It's a totally opposite approach to Marvels. It's worth more artistically, but it is extremely divisive, just as in comics when creators take liberties.Yes. I know. I am just wondering if Snyder's movies face the same reception ( from both critics and normal movies goers) as those movies. I like most of the movies that were mentioned so I am wondering if it's a generation thing and Snyder's movies will be loved years after.
The irony is he gets the medium better than anyone else in the film industry does imo, despite the complaints that he seemingly doesn't.
Snyder's DC movies are made from the perspective of a creator putting his own spin on these franchises, as opposed to paying lip service to fans. It's a totally opposite approach to Marvels. It's worth more artistically, but it is extremely divisive, just as in comics when creators take liberties.
Agreed. I was hoping Suicide Squad would be the same thing, but Ayer really dropped the fucking ball. Phoned that shit in completely.
Yeah, total milquetoast.Agreed. I was hoping Suicide Squad would be the same thing, but Ayer really dropped the fucking ball. Phoned that shit in completely.
Im honestly over blockbusters in general, its all the same mickey mouse formula'd shit. Give me a dozen Snyder movies, he doesn't stick the landing on everything, but the ideas and beats that land are certainly borne out of a creative vision that isn't seeking to satisfy a certain assembly line formula. The more audience members who are alienated the better TBH.
And fuck it, i'll say it too, I won't pay to see Guardians or whatever else comes out this summer, but I'll probably see Transformers as well, as Bay has his own formula and vision and its looking batshit insane of the highest order. I know I won't walk out of seeing that movie without a strong opinion one way or another. As opposed to walking out of a Doctor Strange or Fantastic Beasts where I literally forget everything about those shit flicks the day after. Don't have time to waste on nothing ass movies anymore.
Glass Rebel
Member
The irony is he gets the medium better than anyone else in the film industry does imo, despite the complaints that he seemingly doesn't.
Not in a world where Sam Raimi and Edgar Wright exist. Recreating panels 1:1 from comics doesn't make a good comic book movie.
Snyder's DC movies are made from the perspective of a creator putting his own spin on these franchises, as opposed to paying lip service to fans. It's a totally opposite approach to Marvels. It's worth more artistically, but it is extremely divisive, just as in comics when creators take liberties.
The irony is he gets the medium better than anyone else in the film industry does imo, despite the complaints that he seemingly doesn't.
I think Snyder has the right ambitions and bigger ambitions than most superhero studio heads - he wants the movies to mean something and stand out as something different in the movie landscape. Where we disagree is I don't think he's a good enough filmmaker to pull it off. He's good enough to do stylistic action but not to make it gel with philosophizing about man and society. He overestimates his abilities. He wants to make masterpieces but, if that's true, should probably just serve as a producer type finding the right talent.
I think Snyder has the right ambitions and bigger ambitions than most superhero studio heads - he wants the movies to mean something and stand out as something different in the movie landscape. Where we disagree is I don't think he's a good enough filmmaker to pull it off. He's good enough to do stylistic action but not to make it gel with philosophizing about man and society. He overestimates his abilities. He wants to make masterpieces but, if that's true, should probably just serve as a producer type finding the right talent.
Either that or he just needs to find the perfect writing partner. Dudes got great ideas and can direct well imo, it's the writing and storytelling that lets him down.
I don't necessarily disagree. But to me that kind of ambition is far more interesting to watch and digest than the other stuff that's being put out there. I can't say it really matters to me if another blockbuster movie has a more structurally sound script and better editing if the overall product is a bland vision-less affair that literally leaves your mind the second the credits roll. Everything is becoming the same, it's bad and boring, star wars is marvel is harry potter is now univeral monster verse. Lame. Sure ill gladly take a combo of both perfect craft and vision (see Mad Max), but those don't come every day.I think Snyder has the right ambitions and bigger ambitions than most superhero studio heads - he wants the movies to mean something and stand out as something different in the movie landscape. Where we disagree is I don't think he's a good enough filmmaker to pull it off. He's good enough to do stylistic action but not to make it gel with philosophizing about man and society. He overestimates his abilities. He wants to make masterpieces but, if that's true, should probably just serve as a producer type finding the right talent.
Wonder Woman could go either way.
One could argue that Alien Covenant is similar to what im describing, but I would disagree, there is literally no vision or craft to that movie. Only senility.
But Raimi directed and wrote the screenplay for Spider-Man 3 and Wright got laid off by Feige.Not in a world where Sam Raimi and Edgar Wright exist. Recreating panels 1:1 from comics doesn't make a good comic book movie.
I agree with you that Zack Snyder's cbm movies have been born out of passion and a vision he sees. I just think it's unfortunate you mentioned Guardians. James Gunn also has his very own distinct vision for his comic book movies and how they should come to life. GotG2 isn't a super great movie but it is James Gunn in execution and heart.And fuck it, i'll say it too, I won't pay to see Guardians or whatever else comes out this summer, but I'll probably see Transformers as well, as Bay has his own formula and vision and its looking batshit insane of the highest order. I know I won't walk out of seeing that movie without a strong opinion one way or another. As opposed to walking out of a Doctor Strange or Fantastic Beasts where I literally forget everything about those shit flicks the day after. Don't have time to waste on nothing ass movies anymore.
Yeah, a lot to agree with here. I'm not watching as many blockbusters anymore simply because that formula started grating on me.Yeah, total milquetoast.
Im honestly over blockbusters in general, its all the same mickey mouse formula'd shit. Give me a dozen Snyder movies, he doesn't stick the landing on everything, but the ideas and beats that land are certainly borne out of a creative vision that isn't seeking to satisfy a certain assembly line formula. The more audience members who are alienated the better TBH.
And fuck it, i'll say it too, I won't pay to see Guardians or whatever else comes out this summer, but I'll probably see Transformers as well, as Bay has his own formula and vision and its looking batshit insane of the highest order. I know I won't walk out of seeing that movie without a strong opinion one way or another. As opposed to walking out of a Doctor Strange or Fantastic Beasts where I literally forget everything about those shit flicks the day after. Don't have time to waste on nothing ass movies anymore.
There was a really neat interview with Lindelof when he was making the rounds for Into Darkness, where he described the process of writing blockbuster films. In the interview he talked about how he doesn't have lot of room to be introspective with a blockbuster movie because he feels he's in constant service of the spectacle a blockbuster is supposed to provide. So he's more concerned about writing the action sequence that justifies the hundreds of million of dollars rather than something else. He didn't say it exactly like that, but that's what he was implying.
Ever since reading that, it kind of dawned on me how similar blockbusters started feeling and I've just begun to not care as much about them. Guys like Snyder, Nolan, and Cameron tho, I'm there Day 1 for whatever they make because those guys have their own style and it comes across in everything they do. BvS was a breath of fresh air for me. I came out blown away simply because it wasn't anything like I had imagined it to be.
Glass Rebel
Member
But Raimi directed and wrote the screenplay for Spider-Man 3 and Wright got laid off by Feige.
The story of Spider-Man 3's production is well-documented and it doesn't take away anything from his achievements with the first two.
Edgar Wright made one comic book movie that not only perfectly captured the feeling of reading a comic but did so with a very unique and personal directional style, all while maintaining a coherent product.
Meanwhile Zack Snyder has yet to stick the landing on a single one of these. The idea that his movies have more artistic merit and are more ambitious is laughable when multiple people have outlined over and over again what a terrible filmmaker he is. How he puts surface level imagery over a functional story. How he adapts comic book panels 1:1 but misses the subtext of the work at large. How he fails to make audiences care about his characters because he doesn't know how to humanize them. How he tries to shove all these pseudo-philosophical themes into his movies and completely fumbles their implementation by constantly telling but never showing.
But it doesn't really matter. Wonder Woman will come out and be better. Aquaman will come out and be better. Batman and Batgirl and Nightwing will all be better. And people will flock to those movies and throw Snyder's into the bushes where they belong.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
I'm just saying, Snyder wouldn't have made Spider-Man 3.
And Raimi wouldn't have made Sucker Punch ;D
Glass Rebel
Member
I'm just saying, Snyder wouldn't have made Spider-Man 3.
Instead he made BvS which did worse commercially as well as financially? What's your point, exactly?
He also directed 300 and Watchmen you know.Instead he made BvS which did worse commercially as well as financially? What's your point, exactly?
PhantomX1313
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Glass Rebel
Member
He also directed 300 and Watchmen you know.
Neither of which touches Raimi's best. So?
Instead he made BvS which did worse commercially as well as financially? What's your point, exactly?
Commercially and financially both mean the same thing...
Neither of which touches Raimi's best. So?
The fuck are you two even arguing about?
I really like the half-faced woman who creates those gases. Although I don't know much about her. I also like the make up and costume design of the film in general.
Another Academy Award incoming!
Discotheque
Banned
Yeah, total milquetoast.
Im honestly over blockbusters in general, its all the same mickey mouse formula'd shit. Give me a dozen Snyder movies, he doesn't stick the landing on everything, but the ideas and beats that land are certainly borne out of a creative vision that isn't seeking to satisfy a certain assembly line formula. The more audience members who are alienated the better TBH.
And fuck it, i'll say it too, I won't pay to see Guardians or whatever else comes out this summer, but I'll probably see Transformers as well, as Bay has his own formula and vision and its looking batshit insane of the highest order. I know I won't walk out of seeing that movie without a strong opinion one way or another. As opposed to walking out of a Doctor Strange or Fantastic Beasts where I literally forget everything about those shit flicks the day after. Don't have time to waste on nothing ass movies anymore.
War of the Apes, Dunkirk and Baby Driver brah. Kings of the summer.
Agreed on your general sentiment tho. A lot of the blockbusters all just blend together as perfectly fine but middling movies. And as decent as wonder woman looks its sounding like it won't nearly peak my interest as much as BvS did.
Outside of BvS I have rarely fucked with snyder. Certainly not on the level of Bay or Paul W S Anderson when it comes to often critically maligned action movies. But I do appreciate that he has a style wholly unique to himself and that he really commits to it.
Anyways I think prior to Mad Max, Dawn of the apes was my favorite franchise movie in a minute so Im really happy with Matt Reeves on Batman. That one I think has a high chance of being the best DCEU movie for me more than anything else coming up.
Short of like Miller, Cameron, Wright, Raimi or a few others signing on to a superhero movie I think he's an amazing choice.
And WWZ2 somehow got Fincher to sign on. So it's not all bad for blockbusters in the future.
300 is infinitely rewatchable, whereas Spider-Man 1 & 2 drag in places. There's never a dull moment which is kind of insane since it's just under two hours and there's barely any dialogue. You could say: "Snyder just translated the graphic novel, panel for panel, onto the big screen," but that does him a disservice. The imagery, cinematography, choreography and sound design are top notch. His experience with 300 led to Wonder Woman and him assisting Patty Jenkins how to film a demigod warrior in her solo film. Based Snyder.
Glass Rebel
Member
Commercially and financially both mean the same thing...
You are smart enough to deduce that I obviously meant to write critically. 🙄
His experience with 300 led to Wonder Woman and him assisting Patty Jenkins how to film a demigod warrior in her solo film. .
Wha
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
Member
Patty didn't shot them slow mo action scenes just because, y'know.
Discotheque
Banned
The Wachowskis seem so far gone after Jupiter Ascending. But then I didn't see sense8 yet so maybe they still got it
I wonder how those two would be on a superman movie. There are moments in the matrix trilogy where neo is basically a superman with much better hand to hand technique
I wonder how those two would be on a superman movie. There are moments in the matrix trilogy where neo is basically a superman with much better hand to hand technique
The Wachowskis seem so far gone after Jupiter Ascending.
Erm, I'm not sure what you mean by th-
But then I didn't see sense8 yet so maybe they still got it
Oh.
Glass Rebel
Member
Without having seen the second season, Sense8 is the best and most ambitious thing they have worked in a minute.
The shot where Wonder Woman jumps in the air in slow motion is basically shot for shot of Michael Fassbender in 300.
Without having seen the second season, Sense8 is the best and most ambitious thing they have worked in a minute.
Why haven't you lol. Season 2 is like ten hours of the last episode of Season 1.
broncobuster
Banned
The shot where Wonder Woman jumps in the air in slow motion is basically shot for shot of Michael Fassbender in 300.
That's more on Damon Caro, Snyder's longtime collaborator on stunts and second unit, working on Wonder Woman. It's tricky where you start attributing credit of these big productions. At the end of the day the director is steering the whole ship and taking the responsibility, but you get scenes like the Civil War airport or BvS warehouse where second unit is doing the heavy lifting.
Also funny to see the slow-mo is back for Wonder Woman and Justice League. I'm fine with it in small doses but I greatly prefer what they did on MoS and BvS. Sucker Punch went way too far for my tastes.
So did Season 2 really improve immensely above S1 of Sense8?
It's an evolution.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RY_RaGG8eJU