DC Universe to get fresh start (Superman & Batman Reboot)

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I'm intrigued, I hate origin stories but I like the idea of an Ultimate Batman that only comes out in GN format once or twice a year.
 
Mistouze said:
Btw, wasn't that Doc Savage/Batman book by Azzarello supposed to be set on Earth-One?

OMG NEW CONTINUITY MIGHT ALREADY BE FUCKED UP! :lol

Where did you get the idea that its Earth One?? Doc Savage series is its own thing.
 
Mistouze said:
Btw, wasn't that Doc Savage/Batman book by Azzarello supposed to be set on Earth-One?

OMG NEW CONTINUITY MIGHT ALREADY BE FUCKED UP! :lol

No. DC has been inconsistent about whether it's even part of the multiverse at all; maybe you're thinking of the title for the series, First Wave?

Anyway, if this is really aimed at getting new readers, they'd probably be better off avoiding the shared-universe thing entirely, like the All-Star line did. I also wonder whether Adam Hughes' All-Star Wonder Woman or Grant Morrison's rumored Wonder Woman project will be folded into this.
 
animlboogy said:
Brian Azzarello is doing this. There are other superheroes besides Batman (Doc Savage, for one), but they are all normal humans. It is awesome.


yeah but I mean if all of DC did this. Like hit the reset button on the entire universe. Not just a one shot or an alternate timeline side story.
 
I will be it in for Johns. A huge fan as I discovered tonight, didn't realize read and enjoyed so much of his work. :lol
 
Gary Frank missed the opportunity to draw Bruce after Michael Keaton the one true film Batman. Right now he looks like Chris Reeve with bushier eyebrows. :P

Anyways I hope they don't screw everything up! :lol
 
Would really like to see what John's does with Batman. As far as I recall the only Batman he has written has been in Infinite Crisis and he wasn't in it all that much. He writes a decent Nightwing and Robin though so maybe he will do well.

I don't know what Grant Morrison would do in this universe. As it stands he picks and chooses his own continuity anyhow.
 
animlboogy said:
DC's Crisis reboot system and Marvel's floating timeline concept are both inherently flawed, but there have been some wonderful stories told within the confines of those tropes. The real reboots have been out of continuity, hence the term reboot. When DC explicitly ditched the old continuity with Crisis on Infinite Earths, it took many years of stories and left them as their own universe, while everything since then has been new.

Even in American superhero comics, reboots are reboots. The Ultimate universe over at Marvel is a true reboot, yet it has nothing to do with the original floating timeline continuity that Marvel has been publishing officially for god knows how long. Same with these new DC books, or the All-Star line; they're unrelated to the ongoing soap opera, they just have characters and concepts in common.

I think the biggest issue I have with your post, and a few others in here, is that there's this implication that superhero books are representative of American comics, and all that needs to be compared to Japanese comics as a whole. Superhero books sell well, but they aren't all that's out there by a long shot. American comics as a whole are a hell of a lot more like the fabled Japanese books that too many people seem to put on a pedestal (not that you are, but too many people seem to).
Never put anything above the other. I am trying my hand at making a comic. But books like Preacher are so awesome because there is a start and a finish. Even reboot series are made like the series they rebooted from. While it is true that there is a lot of other stuff out there super hero books are the most popular, while somehow manga is lumped all together. It is what it is. For every decent series in Japan there are thousands of stinkers. literally thousands. I would say on the whole US comics have a better batting average. But I am tired of recycled characters and stories and never-ending plotlines and whatnot that plague the comic industry. I wouldn't mind seeing a reboot of sorts without using the name "batman" but just making a character based off of him. This way we could see a whole different character without comparing them to another. I know that for the big pubs they make more money on a new superman than they would on "strong-flying guy" but just saying this format is flawed and tired to me.
 
what i hate about mangas is that they start super awsome... but then become nothing else then filler material, i stopped reading them years ago (only exeption was akira)-

but since i liked the watchmen movie i read the comic and loved it - if these new batman comics will have a definite end i will try to get them (i have never read any batman comics... only watched the movies)
 
Blader5489 said:
I demand a Justice League: Earth One by Grant Morrison and Bryan Hitch.
Hell. Yes.

BuRT! said:
Superman's face looks wrong to me. The rest of the picture looks rad though
He looks like Jake Gyllenhaal. Bleh.

Blackace said:
I wouldn't mind seeing a reboot of sorts without using the name "batman" but just making a character based off of him. This way we could see a whole different character without comparing them to another.
Not exactly what you're talking about, but Mark Millar is doing something along those lines. Sounds pretty awesome, actually.
 
sankt-Antonio said:
what i hate about mangas is that they start super awsome... but then become nothing else then filler material, i stopped reading them years ago (only exeption was akira)-

but since i liked the watchmen movie i read the comic and loved it - if these new batman comics will have a definite end i will try to get them (i have never read any batman comics... only watched the movies)

Death Note was somewhat guilty of this.
 
Feels like something is missing on the batman in the OP. I hope they let batman run solo, with no fucking team ups.
 
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Thai said:
There's enough room in the universe for a morrison WW.


On-Topic. ... ANOTHER retelling of their origin stories? FFS. Also, Azzarello is just starting his Pulp-Batman universe too. seems like a lot of redundancy to me.

Someone once said that the most interesting stories about the the DC Icons are their origin stories, while for Marvel, it's their character. This seems to be more true every time DC does one of these.

day one
Whoa, what?! This just instantly turned into my most anticipated comic.
 
The Clark Kent/Superman character design from Superman: Birthright was way better than this crap. A farmboy built like a tank is way more effective than pretty boy with an attitude.
 
animlboogy said:
Brian Azzarello is doing this. There are other superheroes besides Batman (Doc Savage, for one), but they are all normal humans. It is awesome.
Damn, when I thought I couldn't be more interested in the idea of Azzarello doing Batman.
 
The only design I like here is Alfred. Batman looks off for a few reasons, and Superman is basically the same but more pretty boy. At least they chose good writers for it even if the character design could be better.

The bi-annual graphic novel type of releasing is something I can get behind 100%, though. No places around here sell comics so I've always waited for collected editions.
 
Inflammable Slinky said:
The Clark Kent/Superman character design from Superman: Birthright was way better than this crap. A farmboy built like a tank is way more effective than pretty boy with an attitude.
Dear God do I love Superman Birthright. It's my 2nd favorite Superman comic: (1. All-Star Superman, 2. Birthright 3. Red Son 4. The Last Son 5. Superman/Legion Of Superheoes)
 
animlboogy said:
I need to check out Birthright. I hadn't seen it mentioned much, but now that people are doing their end of the decade lists...
Sweet, I get to introduce someone to such a great comic book.
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Superman: Birthright presented a modernized revamping of Superman's origin and early history. It was first presented in the twelve-issue Superman: Birthright limited series. Mark Waid's Superman: Birthright is now the accepted canonical origin story of Superman. Waid was assigned the task with the purpose being to streamline the comic origin making it similar to both the movies (with Superman Returns then on the horizon) as well as -- perhaps especially -- Smallville, which had proven very popular. The following summary is from the 12 series.

The cold, fairly dystopian re-imagining of Krypton created by John Byrne in the 1986 The Man of Steel limited series was jettisoned. Much like Jeph Loeb and others had done with their "Return to Krypton" arcs, Waid restored the idea of Krypton being more like it had been in the Silver Age--a place of great wonder and myth. In Jor-El's words, the "people grew tired of war, so they made peace; they feared the unknown, so they conquered it with science; and they yearned for heaven, so they created it beneath their very feet...". A substantial change was with the S-shield as well--no longer was it a symbol for his family's house, as it had been in the Silver Age, or merely an "S" standing for Superman, as it had been in Byrne's revamp, but now it was the Kryptonian symbol for hope. It was shown to be a popular symbol, used on flags, paintings, jewelry, and monuments all over Krypton. It was also on a red, blue, and yellow tapestry that was included in Kal-El's rocket ship. Jor-El was still the scientist whom no one would believe, but instead of Kal-El being an embryo when he was rocketed off, he was again said to be a young child.

The Kents were still farmers, as always, but they were even younger than they had been before. Whereas John Byrne had portrayed them as perhaps in their early to mid thirties when they found Kal-El (making them in their mid sixties or perhaps even seventies during Superman's adventures), Waid portrays them as being between 20 and 25 (again to make them closer to their Smallville counterparts). Their characters are also given an overhaul in their personalities to make them more "modern." Martha, for example, is far from the simple lovable, wise farmer's wife who loves to bake and knit. She is portrayed as being fascinated with aliens, U.F.O.s, etc., and even runs her own website dedicated to such stuff when Clark is in his twenties.

The entire dynamic between John and Clark regarding his Superman identity has also been reversed. In Byrne's era, Superman was committed to using his powers in secret, and once "outed" he retreated to Smallville, unsure of what to do. It was Jonathan's suggestion that he adopt a costume and dual identity, inspired by the JSA of the 1940s. Waid's story, however, has Clark coming up with the idea of the costume and identity, and shows Jon dismayed at the idea, feeling like Clark is trying to abandon his identity (and, by extension, his connection to his earth family).

Waid also brought about a new (or arguably, reintroduced an old) vision power, sometimes referred to as "soul vision." Essentially, Clark can see the "aura" surrounding a living being--an aura that disappears when they die. Waid introduced this as a way of explaining why Clark feels so compelled to defend life, as he can literally see it. Going along with this power, Waid also changed Clark into a vegetarian. These decisions have met with mixed reactions from fans.
 
How is this a "fresh start", when you're using two of your oldest comic book characters? How about something ... I don't know ... new?
 
Dead said:
Just saw this on CBR, looks like the new Bat suit resembles WIzards hypothetical "ultimate" DC designs from several years back

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I still like this better than any redesign DC has come up with.

I'm not particularly intrigued by this idea, and I say that as an admitted DC fanboy who's favorite comic book character has been Superman since I was 3. It's a new coat of paint for an old idea that DC has done a number of times over the decades.

I hate to sound like a douchebag, but could they please get the balls to seriously update Superman's costume? I completely understand they have a legacy that they feel they need to uphold with practically every single one of the prominent characters in the DCU, but come on, they've got to be able to think of something more creative than simply adding texture to what's already there. I don't want to sound overly pessimistic, and I do admit the art (quality) looks to be good, but I don't understand where the general excitement for this is really coming from.
 
y2dvd said:
Question now is, why would this badass looking Alfred become a butler? He looks like he should be giving orders and not taking them.

Duh, he's the one that's going to train Bruce.
 
I'm not reading through this thread, just wanted to say that I hate reboots.

ps: that superman looks like a pussy.
 
Discotheque said:
Sorry about the months later bump but here is what is apparently the official cover art for Superman: Earth One

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Just finished watching Vol 1 of Superman TAS, and that reminds me of a few scenes where Supes glares menacingly at the villain barely holding back the heat vision. Pretty neat.

A genuinely good Superman story is always welcome, so I will withhold judgment on the book based solely on art that is obviously meant to appeal to a younger generation than mine.
 
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