heliosRAzi
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But if she screams too much, she'll be too militant
Dear White People | Official Trailer
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But if she screams too much, she'll be too militant
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Poet Centuriate
Looks kinda dumb from the trailer. I think I'll pass.
Just be honest. You havent seen 95% of it and youre ready to hate it. Whats there to discuss, and why are you still concerning yourself with this thread other than to bitch and moan about something youve made up your mind on disliking? Its silly.
I've been honest this entire thread. The trailer is crap. The movie could be good, but the trailer is still crap.
Does it bother you that you can't pigeonhole my opinion or something?
YEAH!
In fact let's make every statement that compares one thing to another bannable - SAY WHAT YOU MEAN AND MEAN WHAT YOU SAY. All metaphors are basically cop-outs.
LOL is fine to use in a post but its been bannable as a response to a serious post if youre basically using it to shit post and adding nothing further to the discussion. Stuff like "lol tumblr" is no different. See my earlier post to you:
remnant, I just strongly believe you're insincere. I wouldnt trust you to give an objective opinion on whether this was or wasnt a good film after seeing it.
Read the TOS and rules. Similar memes are banned within the right context.
And "reads like a tumblr post" is not criticism.
Angelus Errare
Banned
This, it's the equivalent of going into a religion thread and going "lol religion". Congratulations on demonstrating your lack of critical thinking; and near remedial thought process I guess.
you're saying the dialogue is shit and is similar to one of those funny "Hear me roar" tumblr posts.
Sounds to me you just want to ban people in this thread for being racist or something, and looking for an excuse.
"They didn't use appropriate criticisms w agree with. So offensive."
Oh I get it, nothing pleases you.
what if it's because someone's non-stop posting spongebob gifs?
I mean, fair enough - you should substantiate what you have to say - but posts that are just
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Don't get bans, so I wouldn't hold my breath on "lol tumblr"
Angry Puppy
Member
Movie looks very interesting. A lot of intriguing points and i love the tone given off by the trailer. There were a few cringe worthy scenes though that seemed like they just got their dialogue off a tumblr rant. Especially that racism one. Everyone can be racist, claiming otherwise is just stupid lol.
Angelus Errare
Banned
More like ban people who's main contribution to a discussion is "lol tumblrism!". It contributes absolutely nothing other than informing everyone said person lacks critical thinking skills and relies on herp derp one liners in lieu of actual discussion because they have absolutely nothing to offer. These same people then get hilariously defensive when they're called out on their shit and double down on the stupidity and ignorance deflecting when they can.
I mean if these people aren't going to actually contribute in any meaningful way...why bother posting? They just want to annoy people, there are thousands of forums for that. In fact that's the very function of 4chan.
There are threads on GAF where simple one liners work, and most of the time those threads are obvious from the thread title and the posts contained within. When people are doing it in this thread, I can't help but read that as "Oh man this makes me hella uncomfortable! So I'll deflect by being stupid!".
Not very engaging.
but there are plenty of people who are criticizing the dialogue in that trailer, and how hamfisted it is. Look at the post directly above yours. It's been consistent through out the thread.
Same complaint, multiple pages...maybe the problem is real.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Oh shit! didnt notice!
If 'X' is the new 'Y' it's fair to say that both have definitions that are known and understood. Unless you entirely reject the concept that 'SJW' and 'Tumblrism' seeks to express, I wouldn't instantly ignore people just for bringing it up. They're just trying to give a known reference point for a certain 'tone' of dialogue or approach.
I think drive by posts can hurt to read if they are targeting something that you feel has more nuance than is being respected. That just feels bad - like someone is wadding up this thing you feel has value and throwing it in the trash. I get it.
But the writing does suck.
"Nice hair - is that weaved?"
"Weaved? It's weave." (camera zooms in) "Noun. Present tense"*
* = Cool fact: Nouns can not be in the present tense, or any other tense, and that is exactly the kind of dire-offense-over-misdemeanor-ignorance (complete with badly written rage) that Tumblr excels at. The criticism was valid. I guess some people just didn't have a lot to say about it.
Love that this movie exists. Something to get people talking and aware. Looks like a fun enough time, but while some of it is pretty damn funny, some of it just lacks any subtlety. Which is fine to get its message across, but a few jokes fall flat because of it.
It definitely seems to touch a lot of bases though. People will.. Of course, write it off as against white people, but that is not even close to the point.
Definitely anticipating watching this and then reading/writing in the OT :]
It definitely seems to touch a lot of bases though. People will.. Of course, write it off as against white people, but that is not even close to the point.
Definitely anticipating watching this and then reading/writing in the OT :]
I'm still astounded that people seem unable to separate character from social commentary. Look at the poster. It's obvious that each of the characters are supposed to represent a different viewpoint and a different stereotype. It's a satire, it's not a documentary, it's very possible and highly probable that each of them will get things wrong. People get things wrong every day.
Don't mistake "bad writing" for "every character needs to be the writer's mouthpiece."
Don't mistake "bad writing" for "every character needs to be the writer's mouthpiece."
i understand what you're trying to say but criticizing the tone of a message is one of the big derailing tactics used to delegitimize things said in regards to race, gender and orientation.
It's quite a sad idea when you look at the private prison and education systems in America. Also politics and policing and so on.
cubicle47b
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Tone really does need to be criticized. It's hard for people to be receptive to your ideas if you just go around being an asshole to everyone. That's (one of) the problem(s) with Tumblr.
RandyBobandy
Banned
When someone says it reads like a tumblr post I know exactly what they mean. Don't think it's shit posting at all since tumblr posts do have a certain way about them
MechaGodzilla
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This movie looks great. I love films like this. Hopefully it will be good! I find these topics of race or ethnicity fascinating. I know it's completely different but I also love American History X.
YesNOnoNOYes
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such cute quips in the trailer :>
very excite for this <3
......... and i want a tee-shirt with the movie's title already :> done in retro lettering, ofc <3
very excite for this <3
......... and i want a tee-shirt with the movie's title already :> done in retro lettering, ofc <3
indigo lily
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From the tone in the second half, I have a feeling that it'll be focused too on each character's different complexities and character growth along with social commentary. I like how just with the title it's getting people talking, negatively or otherwise.
I hope that some intelligent and enlightening discussions can be had once people see the movie, whether you end up loving or hating it.
Angelus Errare
Banned
The person above me didn't even mention tumblr...so what are you talking about?
remnant pls.
Lv99 Slacker
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LOL. I'm in.
The comments here about the trailer had me worried for a sec.
The comments here about the trailer had me worried for a sec.
My prediction is that the movie's major irony will be that despite being called "Dear White People" it will be more of an exploration of how different parts of the black community react to real or perceived racism within the white community, and then the nuance of how it's written will draw attention to the fact that the way people relate to race will inevitably and sadly cause rifts within the black community as well.
The title makes me laugh because it's almost like Carly Simon's song "You're So Vain" -- people think the film is talking directly to them, but it's named after a radio show started by one of the characters that acts as a catalyst for these divisions. I think people going in expecting the movie to be about white people are in for a disappointment, and are kind of guilty of making a movie about black students about themselves. And that's probably the point.
That's why I'm excited for it, and also why I'm curious about the responses it's getting.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Some people don't get the picture unless you scream on them.
The Purge series is about as anti-gun cultural, anti-nationalism, anti-classism, etc... as you can get, and yet certain members of the group it's targeting -still- can't see it. It does everything short of have a neon sign flashing on the screen.
Maybe the writers felt like being confrontational, cause they were pissed off by how they were treated. Is everyone guilty of some of the shit said supposed to get coddled? Maybe they went with tumblrism, because that's what everyone knows in 2014.
We've got a history in the states where sometimes that letsallgetalong shit doesn't work. I don't even like the dialogue of the trailer, but I'm happy a director got pissed off enough to have a voice.
cubicle47b
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That's what I got from the trailer. Of course there will be white people in it, but it's about the four black leads.
edit: Oldschoolgamer: I wasn't talking about the movie. I was talking about the internet.
DoktorEvil
Banned
That sounds very similar to what Spike Lee had done in quite a few of his films, especially in Do The Right Thing.
I'm curious to see if this film can get over the same tone and message that Spike has done in his films years prior.
It's not valid criticism and actually takes away from what you're trying to say when you try to rely on it. It's very nebulous in meaning and most people who are using it in this thread are using it pejoratively as if having an opinion on race relations makes you a mouth breather. It's the new way of saying SJW which is a meaningless phrase that says more about the person using it than who or what they're using it on. Instead of using "tumblr" as a criticism and wasting your time explaining what you think that means to you why don't express with words, what you didn't or did like about what was presented in the trailer like the adults capable of critical thinking I assume you all are.
Also side note: this is very clearly a satire one reminiscent of Spike Lee movies such as Do the Right Thing in tone and subject matter. The 4 main characters are 4 different aspects of blackness or how blackness manifests itself where whiteness is dominate. Obviously these are four conflicting view points where no such view is right or wrong. the characters are all learning from one another and their environment by having their viewpoints challenged and presumably they develop and grow. The movie isn't saying to you "I'm right and you're wrong. This is what it is and this is how it's going to be." It's using these somewhat conflicting viewpoints to give social commentary on what blackness is. How it will execute this all remains to be seen but it's dependent on having nice flowing dialog and it will have to try to avoid being heavy handed on that front imo. A lot of criticisms in this thread even the ones that didn't amount to "lol tumblr movie", are invalidated by that. It's fairly obvious to see what was going on with the trailer and if you watch the interview with the films director he also explains this. He explains why he specifically wanted to avoid doing a movie where he's just telling people what they should think on race relations and blackness. It's interesting that people are sensitive to a movie like this even existing so much so that they refuse to even understand what it is trying to say.
In minority-related topics, a group will always predictably flood in to declare that they have a problem with an article's tone or the OP's tone, and that they refuse to listen until the tone changes to suit their nebulous personal tastes. These are concern trolls and it's a derailing tactic, and it comes up in practically every one of these threads. It's bullshit.
cubicle47b
Member
Sure, there are people who use tone as a way of derailing topics. That doesn't mean that tone should never be criticized. If you really want to communicate with other people you don't make your points in the most toxic way possible which is how part of Tumblr goes about it and why it's so heavily criticized (even by people who fundamentally agree with them).
Lets use an Obama speech as an example. Certain people are going to react negatively to almost anything he says. They were just looking for reasons to complain / get angry. How well does his speech resonate with the political middle, though? If he went from taking a fairly neutral, slightly positive tone to an extremely angry, toxic one, how many people in the middle would he alienate?
I'm not sure if the general tone of the internet has gotten worse in recent years or I'm just getting older, but the level of negativity about everything has started to get to me.
heliosRAzi
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The thing about the "tone" argument is that even if you do it in the nicest way, people still react negatively simply because they are uncomfortable.
I agree people need to take a step back, realize it's a trailer designed to spark interest and get butts in theaters, and just wait to watch the movie to see what exactly the messages are and how exactly they're delivered.
I wish the same could be said about some videogame discussions, but such is it is, that's how it goes I guess.
I wish the same could be said about some videogame discussions, but such is it is, that's how it goes I guess.
cubicle47b
Member
Yes, some people will still react negatively. Some people will read and understand you instead of immediately dismissing you. That's how you make progress. Social change takes time.
Toxic is another fluff word that this board has adopted to criticize anyone who speaks in a harsh, angry tone regardless of the merits of the message. "Oooh, you can't talk that way, that's 'toxic.'" Please. I wholly disagree with this incessant need to be overly polite and nice and tip-toe around the feelings of people who are transparently posting to thread-shit and concern troll on stuff they don't care about.
For clarification:
http://groupthink.jezebel.com/a-refresher-course-on-tone-policing-1562126390
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you're allowed to think a point is valid while still thinking the method used to make it is cheesy or sophomoric or heavy-handed.
Kinda what I was thinking.
It makes it seem like the movie makes the issue look (no pun intended) black and white.
Still, I laughed a lot and resonate with the ideas present. Will watch if I get the chance.
cubicle47b
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We're just going to disagree on this point. It's something I can't stand and it immediately turns me off even when I agree with the person. I understand where Jezebel is coming from and try to be more understanding with people who are clearly emotional, but if I could run everyone's posts through a Mumei filter I'd be much happier.
I don't agree with you I'm afraid. Tone policing is still the ultimate derailing tactic. An impassioned and angered point still has merit if it actually is a good point. Anger and passion does not invalidate what one is trying to say. Often times when people are talking about their daily experiences with racial/patriarchal etc oppressions they don't have the luxury of distancing their emotions away from their argument as they experience these things on a daily basis and it is exhausting and stressful for them. Expecting some to be nice about being discriminated against which amounts into actual consequences to their quality of life is rather silly. So your analogy with the president doesn't really work here since he's discussing policy, something he can detach his emotions from much easier than daily oppressions. I would also argue that anger and passion are great tools for social change. It allows your voice to be heard by being demanding and forth right. No one has gotten anything to change be simply being "nice". All maters of social change took effort; people had to be disruptive to get people to listen to you or else why would they? Anger is anything but counter productive. So instead of wasting your energy policing tone why not channel that same passion into something constructive like the concerns of those who you are talking over.
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being critical and tone policing are not the same thing. no art is immune to criticism.
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