I just listed all the other dudes that were nominated for the dumb award. I don't even know what it means to be Superstar of the Year.
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He's getting pushed a year too early.
Vince is going to strap a rocket to him come 'Mania season. He'll get decent reactions but more smarky areas will turn on him fast. His mic skills or lack there of are going to come back to bite him. Mania will come, he will defeat the beast, but ratings wont change and he wont sell anything remotely close to Cena level merchandise let alone Punk/Bryan tier. Vince will panic, Cena will be champion again within 4 months after Mania.
This is false. They turned on him almost immediately. He was way more over in the lead up to WM 21 than he was after. There were boring chants at WM21 and probably 40% of crowds had turned on him by the time they got to Vengeance in June. By the feud with Angle it was probably 60% against him. And it's been like that for 9 1/2 years.
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Roman vs Brock will be really fun, Brock will bump his ass off for Roman and make him look like a million bucks. I'm confident it'll be fun to watch. Brock goes the extra mile for his opponents.
Sir_Crocodile
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Yup, crowd turned on cena when he softened his rapper schtick, which was before his big match with JBL.
His early matches with Angle, Lesnar, and Big Shoe put him over big, even if he didn't win them all. That will be another difference. Roman will not only NOT have the same talent in comparison, but he'll win these feuds/matches and the heel will have little heat. They could turn Rollins or someone into a slimy heel like Edge. But again, promos matter, guys like Roman and Rollins are lacking.
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They've been adding color highlights to his SWAT gear so that when he starts having new colours of the same shirt every month it would feel too jarring. You better get ready for "BELEE IN ME" rally towels as well.
Yes, I know they turned on him once he turned into a Superman (during WM 21, no less). My point was since then crowds are pretty used to booing "top guys", and WWE have even inadvertently encouraged it by refusing to change Cena and just calling him "controversial" instead.
So they aren't going to wait til he's starting a reign of superman terror post WM for Roman, they'll shit on him by the Rumble if he continues being lame and shoved down your throat.
British Monsoon
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So, hypothetical - what happens when Roman has to feud with Cena? Does Cena finally make a sacrifice and come out the undeniable loser of the feud, or does Roman take a step back and play second fiddle to Cena?
Sir_Crocodile
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Wasn't it before WM because his promo's were watered down beyond recognition?
He started making poopy jokes, it was embarrassing as hell
Bray should be a main event level heel right now alongside Rollins. His program with Ambrose has been nice, but Bray is totally suffering the effects of being a Cena victim. Brock should be up there too but all of Brock's momentum stopped at Night of Champions.
Mr. Luchador
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A decade of John Cena being Superman. Even Superman wasn't Superman for that long.
Why do you think Roman 'had to get surgery' when he was shown with this
That mother fucker knows the business. He knows to get as far away from Cena as possible.
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Not if Roman's a heel he won't. And Cena won't be a heel. I think they'll honestly keep those two apart.
Are we talking build up to WrestleMania or post WrestleMania?
Pre-Mania Reigns might go over. Post-Mania, Cena is burying him deep.
Fans also were turning on Rock in 2000 and 2001. Not anywhere to the extent that they turned on Cena, but it definitely was happening. I think any dude turned into a new Hogan was going to get turned on after 2001. Times changed. If they're going to turn on the Rock, guys Cena's level and lower have no chance with that kind of push.
I don't think they turned on Rock for necessarily the same reasons. I think they were turning on Rock because they kind of saw the writing on the wall that Rock was going on to bigger and brighter things. People turned on Cena because they clearly saw that he was becoming Neo Hogan quickly.
At least Vince was smart and made Hollywood Rock happen.
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Can't wait for Dean Ambrose to talk,about hating black people and taping Jesus out on his feud with Roman
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Sir_Crocodile
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Hollywood rock was amazing
Rock/Hurricane & Rock/Goldberg feuds were full of outstanding promos
Rock/Hurricane & Rock/Goldberg feuds were full of outstanding promos
Friend, don't open Pandora's Box again.
Cena has been saying forever that the future goes through him. In kayfabe and in reality Roman won't truly look like the top guy until he has pinned Cena clean. Roman would need to clearly be the focus of the shows for a long time before he can be seen as above Cena. I honestly don't see Cena just taking a reduced role without a pay off first.
TheWarrior
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I was thinking that Cena could realistically spend 6 months losing PPV's clean and it not have one bit of effect on his merch or status as the top guy, it would also help give 3 or 4 guys some credibility
My point was fans turning on the top face isn't a new thing. Shit, you can go back to the end of Hogan's WWF run and fans were tired of him. Pre-nWo Hogan had fans often going FULL Cena on him. A lot of the smarkier cities in the 80s had turned on Bob Backlund. Shit, there were places that were booing Ricky Steamboat against Flair.
Why do you think Roman 'had to get surgery' when he was shown with this
That mother fucker knows the business. He knows to get as far away from Cena as possible.
I still say he had surgery to fix his boobs.
no mic skills, no charisma, he's sleep inducing in the ring, he's got nothing to justify this ridiculous push other than Vince's stupid body preferences, though he does have a certain swagger and presence that makes me think he'll mature in time, but his current push is way too soon, way too forced, and he's gonna crash and burn unless he pulls off some god tier Brock Lesnar level improvement
It'll be Cena vs Reigns at Summerslam. Because they don't have the patience to wait for Mania.
Is there a shortage?
Liquidsnake
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If they go through with this, I will be done with this company. I wil cxl my subscription, and and I will never watch RAW again.
This would be the biggest slap in the face to every fan and historian ever. Especially since it would be a fkn hand delivered joke of a run for a joke of a man who has had a joke of a career.
Even HHH had the sense to stop when he got close. This would be the woerst travesty in all the history of wrestling. Hogan could wrestle circles around Cena. I can not believe this Johnny do gooder has been wrestling for over a decade now. He was the mauin reason I stopped watching for most of the 2000's. I only cam back for Punk, and how funny it took someone on Punks level to drag a 3 star performance out of this guy.
Unreal what the hell happened to this industry?
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I remember last year when everyone was saying the Slammy voting was totally legit just because DB+ won Superstar of the Year. Now they're magically rigged again, friends?
Difference there is in 2001 Rock was missing for much of the year as he was breaking into movies, was missing for almost all of 2002, and by 2003 he turned heel, then he was gone by the summer. 2000 was the last year he was around fulltime. His time on top was relatively short.
In the decade of Cena, they have steadfastly refused to alter him in any way despite the crowd hating him. They're a lot more pigheaded and stubborn now, much less likely to change their booking based on audience reaction.
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I think, distasteful as it is, we're gonna have to accept that Cena is a bigger deal than Flair was.
Yeah, rumors keep going around that they'll never make them or some Amiibos again, Nintendo as a whole are silent on it and even though we're all sure they'll make it again, there's enough uncertainty that people will pay over the odds.
I only had 2 because of a stupid site over here that's banned to link to on GAF refused to cancel my order. Not complaining now.
By what metric? And if so, could you rank the top 5 in your opinion by the same criteria just so I can get a feel of this?
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How is it distasteful? Flair is a fucking wreck nowadays who has tarnished his legacy.
I think anyone who knows anything about wrestling doesn't take Cena's title reigns anywhere near as seriously as Flair's.
well of course, that man feeds us
You can probably guess what his gimmick is going to list as the top 5.
This thread needs a Real Ass Stone Cold to shake everyone up out of their characters and gimmicks.