Serpentine
Banned
The Usos are fine for opening tags and filler to get the crowd warmed up and hyped, but as champs to build the division around? nah
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
December Wrasslin' |OT| PUT A Z-PAK ON THE THREAD, PAL. YOU'RE WORKING TONIGHT
Frecklestein
Banned
If only they were white, right?
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
That would only make them worse. Without the vague Samoan motif, they have nothing character-wise.
Serpentine
Banned
but they're twins! USO CRAZY!
HarryDemeanor
Member
Uso Stupid.
reptilescorpio
Member
Uso'd out
Uso strong
Uso strong
Ninja Scooter
Member
are the Monday Night Wars episodes meant to go in a chronological order or does each one just tackle an individual subject?
Jimmy King
Member
The two random episodes I watched were not informative of any sort of ongoing narrative and seemed like complete filler.
Mr. Enigma
Member
At first it seemed like chronological order, but then they went all over the place starting with the third episode. It's kind of a mess.
Frecklestein
Banned
AH LUV IT MAGGLE
HarryDemeanor
Member
It started well then they fucked it all up, What a damn shame.
It was never going to be done well with WWE writing it. They should have paid a third party to do it for them, but that might show the WWE looking weaker than WCW at points, and the only people allowed to do that are the WWE.
OR at the very least have Bischoff and McMahon featured as talking heads and NOT use recycled footage to do it.
real_slime
Banned
I questioned myself on that when I dismissed Sin Cara and Kallisto's match because I looked at them and thought 'boring', (although this was more to do with seeing the vaudevillans and thinking 'really boring', but i obviously dismissed the other two because i saw lucha masks and thought they were generic nothings and I wasn't interested).
So I thought - maybe I'm just being a bit of a racist and writing them off because I think they're mexican wrestlers, so I don't care.
And maybe I'm doing that with the Usos because I see them as Samoan and I don't care.
I can admit that's probably some part of what I think, and it isn't good, so I'm addressing that now. Always important to identify where your racisms lie, even if they are minor and possible to chalk up to something else.
So to chalk them up to something else I'd say that it's because the Usos are a bland face tag team with a bright, happy gimmick and I generally find that boring. They don't seem to have any characters beyond happy guys with a lot of energy and a chant, and I generally like to watch heels more. They're also pretty heavily defined by their ethnicity, which is something that happens with most wrestlers who aren't whitebread American including guys like Sheamus, Fandango, or the proportion of the few black wrestlers who have rap themes - and this is because WWE is a racist company through and through and isn't even capable of not being that way because all of their executives are happily racist and so are most of their fans. So you're just gotta accept that you're watching a racist media product, along with the multitude of other things that make the WWE gross such as the way the entire main roster women's division is handled starting from the fact it's called the Divas division and going from there.
However, I don't get the same feeling of boredom when it comes to singles wrestlers, so I think I just don't like tag teams that much except when they consist of two defined characters or at least two people who look different and have different mannerisms. A good example of this is Hideo and Balor right now - I'm much more interested in them by default because they are singles wrestlers working a tag team, as opposed to their recent opponents the Ascension who are two sides of the same coin and therefore not interesting.
Luke Harper and Rowan were a strange case in that they are two sides of the same coin and I was still interested in them both - although they did look different and have different mannerisms, the gimmick was still broadly 'crazy hick' for both. And they're both white so maybe that's some racism in me. And now I'm interested in them both that they are singles wrestlers although surprisingly my interest in Rowan has risen while my interest in Harper has kinda dwindled which is just to do with booking Harper as a shitface authority heel lately which is an angle that I think has been milked out for months.
I think I've said a bunch of things which are interesting to me on their own but this is a disjointed post just basically saying I don't like tag teams, and I'm probably guilty of dismissing certain teams more because I think they are just WWE's idea of an ethnicity-based gimmick and think that's enough to sell them, and it isn't really.
I can't think of any wrestler I've ever been excited to watch who has been defined first by their ethnicity and had their persona built around that. The situation with the WWE is that, in general, it is the white american guys who get to have their personality first and their ethnicity or even just cultural background second. Stone Cold is a fringe case, since a lot of it is just redneck, and The Rock is a major exception since he had so god damn much in the way of language and style, and was taking influences from Elvis and different places all over the spectrum, but generally, white American guys get to be a person where as other kinds of wrestlers often just get to be whatever it is that makes them not white and American first.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
She wore some incredible ones on commentary a few months back. Too bad I can't screen grab.
Just got in from PWG. It was fucking insane. My first PWG event and I am definitely going to every one from now on. Just a few quick notes:
*Adam Cole is THE FUCKING MAN.
*the WWE needs to sign Uhaa Nation yesterday.
*Brian Cage is HUGE in person.
*Candice LeRae is super cute and talented.
*Kyle O'Reilly needs to chill with all the jiu-jitsu moves. Speaking as a jiu-jitsu practitioner, it's just not believable at all.
*Why is Ricochet not in NXT right now? He's amazing.
*Chris Hero is not as tubby as he has looked in some pictures.
I met John Morrison(Mundo). He sat from row next to the 4 Horsewomen (minus Ronda Rousey). Great guy. Talked to him while in line for the bar, told him that I enjoyed his work and he thanked me and extended his hand, which I shook.
Me and my brother in law met Johnny Gargano and Candice LeRae at In-N-Out after the show. They were so nice and we were sure not to look like a couple of goofs. Just told them it was an awesome show and thanked them.
Overall, it was a great night.
*Adam Cole is THE FUCKING MAN.
*the WWE needs to sign Uhaa Nation yesterday.
*Brian Cage is HUGE in person.
*Candice LeRae is super cute and talented.
*Kyle O'Reilly needs to chill with all the jiu-jitsu moves. Speaking as a jiu-jitsu practitioner, it's just not believable at all.
*Why is Ricochet not in NXT right now? He's amazing.
*Chris Hero is not as tubby as he has looked in some pictures.
I met John Morrison(Mundo). He sat from row next to the 4 Horsewomen (minus Ronda Rousey). Great guy. Talked to him while in line for the bar, told him that I enjoyed his work and he thanked me and extended his hand, which I shook.
Me and my brother in law met Johnny Gargano and Candice LeRae at In-N-Out after the show. They were so nice and we were sure not to look like a couple of goofs. Just told them it was an awesome show and thanked them.
Overall, it was a great night.
reptilescorpio
Member
Yeah MNW is starting to repeat itself at this point, still got some great content in them though. Would have preferred slower, more in depth episodes chronologically but I can understand them wanting to have the quick recap episodes up front to get people hyped.
Nice sounds awesome. Looking forward to seeing Cage in Lucha Underground soon (I assume you already know Ricochet is Puma too).
Nice sounds awesome. Looking forward to seeing Cage in Lucha Underground soon (I assume you already know Ricochet is Puma too).
Serpentine
Banned
Sounds like a lotta fun! I need to hit up PWG one of these days
British Monsoon
Member
Uhaa is definitely on WWE's radar, but they apparently passed on Ricochet because they felt he was too similar to Neville.
Cena the master strategist.
What does this plan even look like? Start your paint program now!
Masquerader
Member
I still think they'd be better as heels.
Fernando Fernandez
Member
Sounds like Cole and O'Reilly are done now with PWG due to their ROH contracts </3
Sexy Cholo is an awesome name.
I remember reading something awhile back about how his deal is structured in a way to where if he misses time for an injury, the expiration date extends that much further. So if you're out on Jan 1 but you miss 6 months before that, you're now out July 1. I can't imagine it being something that would stand up in court, but is it worth going to court when the royalty checks keep rolling in as you sit home and rest?
I remember reading something awhile back about how his deal is structured in a way to where if he misses time for an injury, the expiration date extends that much further. So if you're out on Jan 1 but you miss 6 months before that, you're now out July 1. I can't imagine it being something that would stand up in court, but is it worth going to court when the royalty checks keep rolling in as you sit home and rest?
That's wicked, man. And yes, Adam Cole is superb. Welcome aboard, bay-bay.
I'd love to check out a PWG show at some point. Looks like a ton of fun live.
Nocturnowl
Member
Can't be as good as Daniel Bryan, he has diagrams!
Cena the master strategist.
"I win lol"
Possibly stick figures of everyone including his team mates laying defeated on the canvas with a stick figure in a garish coloured shirts and jorts smirking on top
Cena the master strategist.
"Make me look strong."
"Ryback - take the pin. It's okay. You're over."
"Ziggler - don't outshine me too much."
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
at least they are working with the miz.
Which means they might die when he doesn't catch them.
Let's stop acting like The Miz hasn't been great since his return. Because he has.
You win sir.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Where is Low Ki wrestling now?
funkystudent
Member
Finn Balor's entrance is pretty dope but I cant help but think was shitty gimmick Vince is going to give him when he moves up.
I am thinking a comedy character like a Boogieman 2.0
I am thinking a comedy character like a Boogieman 2.0
You shower to wrestling music?
slightconfuse
Banned
Adam Cole was injured at final battle
Also,New PWG CHAMP
.
Also,New PWG CHAMP
Roderick Strong
spindashing
Banned
What a mark.
My mother loves the Usos. When I went to Extreme Rules, I bought her an Usos shirt. She loves Roman Reigns, too. She used to love The Rock back in the day.
I guess my mother loves Samoans.
The only way he's not getting teamed up with Sheamus and/or stuck in a comedy gimmick is if he turns heel and sticks to HHH like glue.
plagiarize
Banned
I see why the Usos are so great at live events, because that match they keep putting on *is* great. Of course it gets the live audience excited. Of course they buy T shirts. When a stipulation forces them to mix things up (like the best of three falls match earlier this year) they can put on interesting matches.
But when stipulations aren't forcing them into changing things up, they aren't changing things up. Their characters are pretty much non existent. They don't show any unique personality traits. I mean, no wonder they play up that one of them is married to Naomi because it's literally the only thing that we're given to set one apart from the other.
They need to develop more individual styles. They need to develop two distinct personalities. They need to not just keep putting on the same match again and again and again. And no, having Jimmy do the hot tag instead of Jay doesn't count as switching things up. Not until they're remotely distinct from one another.
If you regularly watch them on TV they get boring fast. If you regularly went to live events, I bet they'd get boring there too.
edit:
That Regal promo they put on youtube. I only watched it this morning and I'm sure people here have already been talking about it, but I'm glad I didn't miss it, so I'm linking it here incase anyone else hasn't yet seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcLDFntJ4I
It's such a shame he fucked up his chance at a title run. It would have been one for the ages.
That's too bad.
As a selfish fan, I really hope he'll be able to do the March 1st PPV in Las Vegas.Adam Cole was one of the MVPS of 2014. Certainly within ROH at least.
And good for Roderick. Dude is the ultimate CAW imo, but there's no denying his ability.