Cesaro was basically the Brock of NXT. A demi-god who crushed people and was portrayed as the greatest dude in the world.
Really though, Triple H needs to sign Sekimoto and put him with Big E to form the new Fire and Ice
December Wrasslin' |OT| PUT A Z-PAK ON THE THREAD, PAL. YOU'RE WORKING TONIGHT
Cesaro was basically the Brock of NXT. A demi-god who crushed people and was portrayed as the greatest dude in the world.
Dude...really? That's fucking awful, you just told everyone watching that everyone who isn't Cena isn't worth shit. For all the talk of "step up" we all know it's complete bullshit, WWE is so driven by politics that rubbing just one person the wrong way can mean the end of your career, getting over when they don't want you to means you'll be systematically destroyed because the machine isn't behind you. Vince allowing a culture where guys have to literally walk on eggshells backstage or they'll be punished while at the same time bitching that guys aren't stepping up is absurd.
Ah okay, I can agree with that.
I guess my mindset was that HBK and Cena felt a lot more "pre-picked" by Vince than Austin did for example. I don't think Austin was even on Vince's main event radar until the Bret Hart feud happened.
lovely ladies
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Haha. Let me guess, they think they're hot shit?
bean breath
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I don't know why you guys are saying The New Day is jobbing, did you not see that spot where Big E pulled a handkerchief from inside his tights and wiped his face? That got over.
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Not...really. By and large they feel rules don't apply to them. And that's painting a whole generation with a broad brush - which isn't fair, because there are tons of exceptions to it - depending on their parenting, of course. Their upbringing and how they see the world. Ironically everyone IS an individual and special and has their own thing.
I just say fuck millenials because it upsets millenials.
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All of the sudden Cesaro hate in this thread is absurd. You know who else couldn't talk, Bret Hart or Goldberg. Cesaro is like a freak Bret Hart/Goldberg hybrid, amazing in the ring and strong as hell.
People can say that he doesn't have the same "in ring charisma" as those guys but it's impossible to when you are jobbing every week. Watch Zayn/Cesaro if you think he is lacking, he is booked like a killer and oozes charisma which would definitely translate if it were carried over to the main roster.
People can say that he doesn't have the same "in ring charisma" as those guys but it's impossible to when you are jobbing every week. Watch Zayn/Cesaro if you think he is lacking, he is booked like a killer and oozes charisma which would definitely translate if it were carried over to the main roster.
You're 34....technically, you can be a Millennial.
That crowd was so dead
Bret Hart wasn't Austin or the Rock but he could hold his own with a promo.
The term sports entertainment came into being to avoid some very specific laws.
Several years ago Triple H also had an interview where he talked about how a lot of the guys 'don't want it.' And he said Sheamus was one that did. Which is funny two-fold, and it's especially funny coming from Triple H.
I mean look at a guy like Diesel. I'm gonna throw my boy under the bus for this one, but he's not a mark for himself, so he knows it's true. Diesel got pushed because he had an amazing look. He even said he was having a no-nothing match and Luger just came up to him and said 'they're putting the belt on you. they were ejaculating all over themselves about you in gorilla.' Now, 'the look' is something that gets unfair shit from the internet because in a company like the WWE it's a very important thing to have. Just because your built like Warlord isn't enough. Just because you wrestle like Bret Hart isn't enough. You need something that can be marketed because you're not actually competing for anything other than the office's approval. You need to look the best on the cereal box. But the point is, Diesel never 'went for the brass ring' he was handed it. Like so many others. What he did with it could be debated as good or bad depending on how you feel, but he was GIVEN the opportunity. He did not take it.
Now on the other end of the spectrum, you have Bret Hart. Bret Hart is someone who grabbed the brass ring. Bret is someone who got over by being something WWF really didn't have at the time. I'd say he even outworked guys like Perfect and it made fans dig this new guy with the bright colors and the wrestling moves. They wanted Bret to be a cowboy, and he said 'fuck it, I'm not being Cowboy Bret Hart.' That would be going for the brass ring. Would Bret have had the chances he had if Hulk was still there? Probably not as Hulk didn't like Bret. So it can still be disqualified even for an extreme case like Bret Hart.
And it's only gotten worse. WWE is so in-house now that everything is done at the top level. Do we really think Bryan would still be main eventing if he hadn't gotten injured? That Roman wouldn't have made it reign in that bitch regardless of reactions?
But I do wonder how many guys really don't even make the attempt. Maybe they see it as futile and worthless, but isn't that how Miz got his push? By constantly badgering for his chance? By coming up with idea after idea like a Shawn or a Bret did? He got married and probably doesn't care as much anymore about a push. But you look at a guy like Cesaro and say 'what the fuck do you have to lose? What are they gonna do if they don't like you pushing for a storyline, bury you? Like they haven't already?' It takes all kinds, but there will always be the chosen one (slapnut) and sometimes you're lucky like Bret and can get a shot when the chosen one is gone, but you still have to make that push for a spot. And part of it can be the way WWE develops talent now that I don't know if they realize it or not, but those new talents? They're not gonna push for that spot because that's not how WWE acts like it does it now. It talks in interviews one way, but it's very obvious that their mentality is 'we push who we want to push.' It'd take some convincing to change that mentality, but I just don't see any of the young guys even trying.
Now go ahead and post Zack Ryder and act like he could have ever been anything more than a comedy mid carder/curtain jerker.
I mean look at a guy like Diesel. I'm gonna throw my boy under the bus for this one, but he's not a mark for himself, so he knows it's true. Diesel got pushed because he had an amazing look. He even said he was having a no-nothing match and Luger just came up to him and said 'they're putting the belt on you. they were ejaculating all over themselves about you in gorilla.' Now, 'the look' is something that gets unfair shit from the internet because in a company like the WWE it's a very important thing to have. Just because your built like Warlord isn't enough. Just because you wrestle like Bret Hart isn't enough. You need something that can be marketed because you're not actually competing for anything other than the office's approval. You need to look the best on the cereal box. But the point is, Diesel never 'went for the brass ring' he was handed it. Like so many others. What he did with it could be debated as good or bad depending on how you feel, but he was GIVEN the opportunity. He did not take it.
Now on the other end of the spectrum, you have Bret Hart. Bret Hart is someone who grabbed the brass ring. Bret is someone who got over by being something WWF really didn't have at the time. I'd say he even outworked guys like Perfect and it made fans dig this new guy with the bright colors and the wrestling moves. They wanted Bret to be a cowboy, and he said 'fuck it, I'm not being Cowboy Bret Hart.' That would be going for the brass ring. Would Bret have had the chances he had if Hulk was still there? Probably not as Hulk didn't like Bret. So it can still be disqualified even for an extreme case like Bret Hart.
And it's only gotten worse. WWE is so in-house now that everything is done at the top level. Do we really think Bryan would still be main eventing if he hadn't gotten injured? That Roman wouldn't have made it reign in that bitch regardless of reactions?
But I do wonder how many guys really don't even make the attempt. Maybe they see it as futile and worthless, but isn't that how Miz got his push? By constantly badgering for his chance? By coming up with idea after idea like a Shawn or a Bret did? He got married and probably doesn't care as much anymore about a push. But you look at a guy like Cesaro and say 'what the fuck do you have to lose? What are they gonna do if they don't like you pushing for a storyline, bury you? Like they haven't already?' It takes all kinds, but there will always be the chosen one (slapnut) and sometimes you're lucky like Bret and can get a shot when the chosen one is gone, but you still have to make that push for a spot. And part of it can be the way WWE develops talent now that I don't know if they realize it or not, but those new talents? They're not gonna push for that spot because that's not how WWE acts like it does it now. It talks in interviews one way, but it's very obvious that their mentality is 'we push who we want to push.' It'd take some convincing to change that mentality, but I just don't see any of the young guys even trying.
Now go ahead and post Zack Ryder and act like he could have ever been anything more than a comedy mid carder/curtain jerker.
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For sure. Sometimes tough love is how you get THE CREAM OF THE CROP
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Early 80's...so really, could be as early as 1980.
Yeah, fuck that bullshit. The reason the roster is on eggshells and scared all the time is exactly because of Vince's policies and the way he says "grab the brass ring" but actually means "If I didn't pick you, you're going nowhere". If they're scared backstage, it's because they have something they're scared of. If they so much as cough out of turn they get punished.
There is nothing they can do in this climate.
What can a guy do to get himself over when he's scripted to a tee by a horde of shitty writers? When he can't ever showcase himself, how can he prove how good he is? One guy did get himself over by thinking outside the box (and using that social media Vince said they should use) and he got buried for it, for no reason.
Meltzer brought up that Summerslam panel, where Cesaro, Sheamus and Reigns were unscripted and just talking, and they were all miles better, especially Cesaro. Cesaro showed personality, charisma, wit, but when he gets to RAW all he gets to do is job and maybe get a couple of lines of incredibly scripted bad promos in a forced heel gimmick?
There is no fire to light, they have no freedom to do anything.
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bad gameplay lol
You know a lot of sources use 1980 as the earliest "millennial" birthdate, right?
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Rumor about Willie Mack
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Whoa, whoa, let's not do this
You sound like a millenial.
They're goddamned wrong.
bean breath
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Can I buy one of those yet?
avengers23
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Not to play armchair psychiatrist, but it's the type of term that I could see Vince catching during a meeting about audience demographics and latching on to.
Am I not allowed to paraphrase Nas?
At a certain point, creative has to actually do their job and get behind these guys. I don't know how anyone sees the ambition line as anything but a way for Vince to absolve himself and creative for any blame.
Punk Lost..
bean breath
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Let's face it.
In the WWE Universe, CM Punk is the last dragon.
In the WWE Universe, CM Punk is the last dragon.
1980-1995
And I'll take the term Millenial over Generation Y. God, that was fucking stupid.
Generation Y actually starts as early as 1977.
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I hated vince saying Cesaro lacks the IT factor. His fucking wrestling is his IT factor. He is super entertaining and powerful and always puts on a show. Just let him be himself. You have to give him the opportunity to do that instead of trying to make him a character you'd like.
And Vince sounds like a crackpot retiree.
Vince hates wrestling.
bean breath
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lovely ladies
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Vince is trying to hook them Generation Z'ers.
Why Otunga isn't in this stable is beyond me. Come on WWE.
bean breath
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Are you using "Ninja" as a euphemism for the N-word?
<Vince> Can he dance?
Terms like this are never super precise.
Millennials: Millennium was a show that aired on Fox.
Fox also aired the last couple of SNMEs.
Those were at the very very start of the New Generation.
Milennials used to be called Generation Y
New Generationy
Vince hates the current roster because it reminds of how shitty the New Generation era was.
Fox also aired the last couple of SNMEs.
Those were at the very very start of the New Generation.
Milennials used to be called Generation Y
New Generationy
Vince hates the current roster because it reminds of how shitty the New Generation era was.
Bret Hart vs Fatu
I enjoyed this match a lot. I also like the Bret Hart 'ima put my title on the line against everyone' gimmick. The commentary is a torrid nightmare. I wish Perfect was commentating instead.
I enjoyed this match a lot. I also like the Bret Hart 'ima put my title on the line against everyone' gimmick. The commentary is a torrid nightmare. I wish Perfect was commentating instead.