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Decline in iPhone Shipments Could Make Apple Worst-Performing Top 5 Smartphone Brands

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Kitoro

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My whole family is contract-free and have been enjoying our 32gb Nexus 6 phones we bought for $199.99 on Black Friday last year. Surely, we'll be seeing the Nexus 5X, and possibly even then 6P drop near to that price point this coming Black Friday.

These are phones that do just about everything as well or better than the latest iPhones, at least anything we ever needed, for less than a quarter of the price.

I ask, what's even the need to spend over 4x the price for an iPhone when one can get a Nexus 6 for $199.99? I'll never pay more than that for a phone again, and I'm confident I'll never be behind on the latest tech with that budget.
 

ViciousDS

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typically if you go with a lease program, the carrier offers discounts on access fees and data plans so that you end up getting pretty decent deals. in my case I actually came out better per month when I went installment + mobile share data plan than I did with a regular plan and a subsidized phone, plus I get a new phone ever year and don't have to worry about the "eligibility" stuff.

for most people, the cost difference with the subsidized phones is hidden somewhere they just don't realize it

iPhone 6S......checking now is $27 a month without protection, so $37 and $32 a month = $42 for the 6S+.


those are for the 16GB models.....like what the honest fuck kind of pricing is that. If you want the 64GB or 128GB you keep the same monthly payment but then drop $99 or $199 up front respectively. I mean $750 for a 64GB phone......no way. Especially when you can get amazing 3rd party phones for less than half the cost that run amazing to boot with Oxygen or CM. Shit 1st party is almost $200-$300 cheaper and most of them come with insanely superior cameras. I mean has iPhone even put laser focus on their cameras yet?
 
1. iphones still coming in base models of 16gb with no expansion options.
This is a fact. Yep.

2. their cloud services and integration between devices are still a mess
Fact. Nope. This is in the eye of the beholder. iCloud does exactly what I need it to do without issue. Obviously we have different expectations and you may have had issues with iCloud, but because someone can reasonably disagree with you makes it not a fact.

3. ipads are essentially unchanged while the competition soars with innovations
Well I wouldn't say "unchanged", the value of an iPad has depreciated tremendously because they are being marketed more and more as a PC-replacement, where W10 tablets for the same price are leaps and bounds ahead of what the iPad is capable of. I don't know if this is due to Apple's reluctance to merge OS X/iOS MacBook/iPad or what, but it's hard to ignore the growth W10 tablets has had in the past few years. All the iPad got was multitasking and (bad compared to the competition) pressure sensitive pen. Again, this is all subjective. I'd argue that due to the number of native apps available on iPad vs. Surface tablets, the iPad is extremely capable. I'd also say that most people aren't looking for a tablet/PC hybrid, and iPad vs. Surface sales show that to be the case. Add to this my experience with Windows 10 (which is a fucking nightmare on my Windows laptop), and I couldn't disagree more.

And about that pen? Most reviews I've seen have said the Apple Pencil is leaps and bounds above the competition. Obviously, that's all opinion as well, but it seems to go wildly against your assertion to the contrary.


4. ios is playing catch up to android and now even windows
Exactly. No home screen widgets/interaction of ANY kind. (Not even notes. Nothing.) No mention of multitasking on iPhone, being able to minimize a movie to a small window on the iPhone .. No reason to have a larger screen at all until these are added.

More opinion where it highly depends on needs and expectations.

I'd also argue that there have been plenty of areas lately where Android has had to play catch-up (a true mobile payment solution in Android Pay and their adoption of fingerprint technology that's more than a little similar to Touch ID, to name two off the top of my head, not to mention the fact that their new picture-in-picture and split-screen look awfully familiar). And they've yet to come close to anything like 3D Touch (which some argue is still unproven, but it's hard to argue that it doesn't hold a lot of promise).

But again, it's all opinions.


5. Osx is starting to lag behind windows, LAG BEHIND WINDOWS, think about this
This is the saddest thing to see. What is happening to OS X? It's painfully slow to any Mac that doesn't cost literally $2500+ .. I don't know if this is to avoid cannibalizing iPad sales or what, but OS X has never been more painful to use. It used to be a great OS. Now it's similar to how OS 9 was right before X just in how dated it looks and runs.

Another area where one's mileage will vary, and expectations play a major role. My ~$2000 Windows 10 laptop is a piece of shit (because Windows 10 is shit in my opinion), while my wife's ~$1000 MacBook Air works flawlessly. I'm constantly wanting to punt my laptop out a window because of how often it crashes and how buggy it is and how many times I've had to reinstall Windows. She's had one crash in two years.

I loved Windows 7. I skipped 8. Windows 10 is a demon fetus.


6. itunes is horrific and purchase of beats has not made any real dent into spotify
Again, a fact. I don't think that word means what you think it means. I don't find iTunes horrific at all. Sure, it's worse on Windows than on Mac, IMHO. But it still does what I need it to do well enough that I wouldn't even call it bad, much less horrific.

7. apple tv, although improved, is still not better than offerings from amazon or roku
Right again. Where is the Windows AirPlay support? Why is Siri still useless? Where are half of the television channels official apps? Where's the game support? What's happening here? I love my Apple TV 4, but I wish it was more capable.. I bought a nimbus controller because I thought there would be some games on it eventually. I have an Apple TV (the model from just before the big update) and a Fire Stick. Each has its pros and cons. I'd say it's a wash, personally.

8. iwatch is an utter failure
I think the design of the watch is spot on. But the software has completely died. I've worn my watch edition every day for about a year now, and I love it. It's a great device. Taking calls, texts, navigation.. All the basics are there. But it's a little too slow, and the app support has pretty much completely stopped. Never used one and don't see the point. Though I'd always caution someone about buying into the first model of any new thing, no matter who makes it.

So like I said, most of those are opinions. His, yours, and mine are equally valid, especially since we're able to provide arguments to back up our claims.

I think the major issue for me is that I'm a massive pedant with regard to the use of the words "fact" and "objective." So I'm not arguing that you're wrong to feel how you do about Apple. Fuck them. They care about me and you exactly as much as Google or Microsoft or any other company does (which is to say that their "love" begins and ends at our wallets).

Just don't go misusing those words. :p
 

icespide

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iPhone 6S......checking now is $27 a month without protection, so $37 and $32 a month = $42 for the 6S+.


those are for the 16GB models.....like what the honest fuck kind of pricing is that. If you want the 64GB or 128GB you keep the same monthly payment but then drop $99 or $199 up front respectively. I mean $750 for a 64GB phone......no way. Especially when you can get amazing 3rd party phones for less than half the cost that run amazing to boot with Oxygen or CM. Shit 1st party is almost $200-$300 cheaper and most of them come with insanely superior cameras. I mean has iPhone even put laser focus on their cameras yet?

so, I wasn't trying to argue that iPhones aren't expensive, in fact my post actually didn't mention iPhones at all, I was really speaking about high end smart phones in general.

iPhones are expensive, I don't dispute that, I was just trying to dispel the notion that these lease programs are rip-offs which a lot of folks on GAF seem to think.

also, what the heck is a 3rd party phone?
 

ViciousDS

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so, I wasn't trying to argue that iPhones aren't expensive, in fact my post actually didn't mention iPhones at all, I was really speaking about high end smart phones in general.

iPhones are expensive, I don't dispute that, I was just trying to dispel the notion that these lease programs are rip-offs which a lot of folks on GAF seem to think.

also, what the heck is a 3rd party phone?

Phones not sold through your carrier.....so Vivo, OnePlus, Xiaomi Huawei

They are all direct2buy non contract phones
 
"Worst-Performing Top 5 Smartphone Brands" is such stupid sensationalist editorializing on the part of that site.

"Kuo's note predicts that out of Samsung, Apple, Huawei, Oppo, and Vivo, only Apple will see shipments fall year-on-year" sounds definitely true, and Apple are going to post very underwhelming Q2 results tomorrow, but Huawei, Vivo, Oppo, Xiaomi or ZTE shouldn't match Apple's smartphone shipments this year, let alone revenue or profits.
 

SURGEdude

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6. itunes is horrific and purchase of beats has not made any real dent into spotify
Again, a fact. iTunes has always been a little on the iffy side, never the best music library manager.. But these days it's literally a Frankenstein of iota former self. Confusing menus, forced repeated logins, just all around bad UI. It's almost like they got the design from 2004, and tried to make it work in 2016. (Wait, that's exactly what they're doing)

I agree with a good chunk of your post but I'll highlight a few I don't agree with and one I'd say you are flat out wrong about.

iTunes for Windows is terrible. Always has been and it's a serious black eye. And you're right about design.

But the Apple music numbers are actually quite good


That's vs Spotify's 25-27 million. As pointed out in the article lots of people myself included were skeptical about retaining people after the trial period, but that didn't end up being an issue. The app is still crap though. But as Billboard points out it's essentially just a 2 way race and Spotify has lots of good will and long term prepaid subscribers. Apple just started and already passed everybody else.

7. apple tv, although improved, is still not better than offerings from amazon or roku
Right again. Where is the Windows AirPlay support? Why is Siri still useless? Where are half of the television channels official apps? Where's the game support? What's happening here? I love my Apple TV 4, but I wish it was more capable.. I bought a nimbus controller because I thought there would be some games on it eventually.

The lack of an Amazon app comes down to Amazon trying to push against Apple and Google to sell their OS. Can't really blame Apple on that one. Remember how long it took Amazon to finally suck it up and release a generic Android client? Years. And the one they released is pretty much a hack that uses the browser. They only supported the iPad and iPhone because at the time they felt they had to.

As for Airplay they should make a native client. But finding compatible software on anything from Android to Windows is quite easy even if it shouldn't be necessary.
No complaint on the rate of apps coming personally. But if somebody buys one expecting it to have the mature ecosystem Roku has cultivated for years right off the bat I'd argue that it was logical for them to consider a fresh platform starting at 0 units in customer's hands was going to take a bit to get parity. The relationship to iOS is helpful, and I'd argue has accelerated support, but it's just the nature of launching a new platform.

Siri does suck big time though. How Apple hasn't made that more competitive over the years astounds me.

8. iwatch is an utter failure
I think the design of the watch is spot on. But the software has completely died. I've worn my watch edition every day for about a year now, and I love it. It's a great device. Taking calls, texts, navigation.. All the basics are there. But it's a little too slow, and the app support has pretty much completely stopped.

Ok so now we get to the one I've gotta call you out on. While it's absolutely a 1st gen product with plenty of reasons to wait, the actually impact on the market has been staggering. With only 8 months on the market it pulled in 61% of the vs Android Wear's 15% marketshare for smartwatches according to IDC and is only 4% behind dirt cheap Fitbit with 4 less months to sell. Adjusted for that it would make it easily the #1 wearable in both categories. And remember this is just raw unadjusted sales numbers and Fitbits are very inexpensive.

Coming into any market with dozens of major players who've been working in it for years and knocking them all back in 8 months is more than all but unheard of in nearly any arena. Especially on the overall wearables category where it's players are entrenched and offer low cost products.

Calling that an utter failure couldn't be more hyperbolic and misinformed.
 

Walpurgis

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Nonsense.

High premium android phones cost the same as iPhones. Also not sure I should take take specs comment seriously.
This is not true. Nexus 6P has better specs and costs hundreds less. I actually got my Nexus 6P for $0 on a two year contract....a month after launch. Right now with no sale, the standard price for the Nexus 6P is $100 and the standard price for the iPhone 6S+ is $530. Even the entry level iPhone 6S costs way more at $300. So which one of Apple's products is worth the same as the Nexus 6P? The iPhone 6 from 2014... Even the iPhone 6+ costs $230.
http://www.bell.ca/Mobility/Smartphones_and_mobile_internet_devices

So high premium Android phones are significantly cheaper than their equivalent iPhone.

And the specs comment is common knowledge so it shouldn't surprise you. I'll give you a refresher though. Nexus 6P has a 1440p (2k) AMOLED screen while iPhone 6S+ has a 1080p LCD screen. Nexus has a better camera (front and back) with more megapixels, pixel size, etc. Nexus's battery/charging is a world ahead and it's speaker is also way better. Oh and the cheapest model (that most people buy) has 32 GB while iPhone is still at 16 GB.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonk...ne-6s-plus-review-which-is-best/#3e65e1411ca7
Best of all? It's significantly cheaper.
 

Walpurgis

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This can't be serious.

I have had both high end android phones and high end Apple phones.

I am an Apple guy btw but specs don't mean shit, my Apple phone just works, does everything fast and I have never one time said if I only had more RAM etc.

use case for 90% of people I am sure is the same for both Apple and Andriod.

seriously guys just get what you like.
Specs and price are important to me. I don't like to pay way more for less. However, many people are invested in the Apple account system so iPhone will not see a dramatic drop in sales anytime soon. If the decline continues, I think it will be gradual as people start buying cheaper phones with better specs.

And I'm not saying that the iPhone doesn't work. "Specs don't matter" sounds a little fanboyish to me, tbh. I'm sure that the iPhone has enough RAM and processing but its screen, hard drive and camera are lackluster and that is something that does matter for most people.

In the end, people will get what they want. I'm not trying to convert anyone to Android, just laying out some facts that could hurt Apple if they don't differentiate themselves to justify their high prices.
 

LeleSocho

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Generation per generation comparison:
iPhone cameras are always in the top 3 in image quality
iPhone SoC has been better than competitors for years and sometimes perform like the top Android phone of the generation after
iPhone storage is the most performant in the market right now
iPhone has the most accurate LCD display on the market and always in the upper echelon overall
iPhone TouchID is at least as fast as the competitors
iPhone battery lasts just like every other high end phone

But yes let's continue to perpetuate the myth that the iPhone has worse specs than the competition... the only thing the iPhone lacks are big numbers, big 6GB of ram, big 500+ ppi screen, big 3000mah battery... now if Android was as good as iOS at managing resources then you would have a point because all those bigger numbers would actually make a difference but since they don't...
Also like i said generation per generation comparison are really important, people love to compare the 6S with GS7/G5/HTC10 but it should be compared to the GS6/G4/m9 and same with past phones.

It's true that people buy Apple because of the brand and whatever but don't fool yourselves thinking that it's a bad or "good enough" only piece of hardware, iPhone is as high end as they are the other products
 
Not really the same thing, they use some of the same technology but for different purposes and with different interaction models.

How is 'loads of phone do that now' at all relevant? Apple got the first good implementation on a phone, then everyone else stumbled around with awful copies for a couple of years until they finally figured it out. How this justifies not listing it as a real innovation beats me.
That's because when Apple was implementing TouchID in the iPhone 5S they purchased the company developing it and blocked any other smartphone company from using that specific technology. So then Samsung had to go and use the stupid Swipe-Fingerprint Scanner in the Galaxy S5 until one year later when the company they used had improved their technology. That isn't innovation on Apple's front by any means.
 
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