Crabernacle
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Democratic National Primary Debate #1 |Tokyo2016| Rise of Mecha-Godzilla
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Its amazing how conservative a lot of people sound when they use this line of attack. Jeb Bush basically said the exact same thing about "democrats giving people FREE STUFF!"
Bernie Sanders fully advocates for paying for all of his initiatives and has outlined ways to do so. Acting like there aren't ways to raise revenue is ridiculous.
She can try but she's not ever resonating with internet. Sanders, Trump and now Jim Webb will rule the waters here.
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/14/jim_webb_is_the_biggest_loser_obtuse_petulant_out_of_touch/
Looks like the lefts want him out already, lol.
even by that definition it wasnt a "sweep"
No they don't
I can hear my uncle already.. "The Clinton News Network is back!"
NullPointer
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That sounds like a fucking disgrace.
Officerrob
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Those people don't vote
Dai Kaiju
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She's turned many knobs but the doors behind her never stay shut.
Obama had a bigger hill to climb.
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Right said he was muslim
Fake birth certifcate bullshit
Plus, like Obama, he's going against a woman, which has never won before.
If Sanders can top Hil, he's in.
She is tanking in the online polls - but, as said above me, I expect this as most of those passionate people aren't passionate about voting.
User 463088
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Yes. If he wanted in, he needed to be on that stage tonight. Hillary showed that she's quite fine being a continuation of the Obama Presidency, while putting her own spin on things. She shut the door on Biden realistically getting into the race. There were no points in the debate where Joe would have been preferential to Clinton or Sanders.
Sanders himself always mentions that his policies won't happen unless the American people speak up, and what he really means there is obvious.
I think the fact that quite a few of Sanders policies will never take shape is obvious. Regardless, I'd much rather have a president in office fighting for them than otherwise.
bams was riding the wave of 8 years of george bush, and he would still blow any of the current candidates away with sheer charisma
NullPointer
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Preach.
But if you're going to stand at a podium and ask the American people to rise up, you'll need to offer some more direction than just donating at your website.
True. I think Chafee (or was it O'Malley) brought up a major point with U.S. fucking up on credibility with Saddam's nuke bombs, to which Hillary had nothing to say.
True, and that's not even counting all the Reverend Wright coverage at the time.
Vire
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I'd be more willing to support those kind of ideas if they were halfway plausible. It doesn't surprise me that Bernie is in favor of legalizing weed because he must have been high out of his mind when dreaming that kind of stuff up.
If he outlined a somewhat optimistic plan that comes to the table and compromised in at least slight ways for each of those issues, I'd be more impressed. As it is now, it just sounds like ridiculous pipe dreams that meant are people pleasers for people who have never actually paid attention to how politics work.
Our current president.
NullPointer
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What isn't even halfway plausible about legalizing cannabis?
Good God, Bernie's getting mobbed in the spin room.
debate reporters Twitter list: https://twitter.com/mattcorridoni/lists/debate-reporters
debate reporters Twitter list: https://twitter.com/mattcorridoni/lists/debate-reporters
They are only pipe dreams because the left continue to concede the House and Senate to the right. The Democrats can't do anything let alone Bernie's stuff if we don't give them the fucking power to do so.
The only way of speaking up that matters in this case is voting. He can say that we need to look the republican house in the eye and demand change, but if it's still a republican house we've already failed. A republican who's just won reelection is not going to care about demands from people who just tried to remove them from office and failed.
If you don't like it then you should have attended yesterday's meeting when it was decided.
Could it be that they're inheriting a society that very clearly has rigged everything against them? That the previous generation has broken so many frameworks of life for them to fix? Do you really expect them to show enthusiasm for what is fucking them over? You'll only get enthusiasm either by appealing to them, or just fucking them over enough that a social movement happens, ala OWS.
Sanders seems to be the only guy trying to empower them to get involved in big ways, so props to him. It makes sense why he may be the forerunner for that generation in this debate.
Bernie has said it since the 80s, but there has been a major voting gap in this country for a long time. People don't feel like they contribute to this system, and we have not seem fundamental change for a long time.
This leads to voter disenfranchisement, especially with all the corruption going on, and no one in a position of power actually talking about those issues.(like hillary) unless its voting season.
Bernie actually gets a lot of people talking about what he's proposing, which is fundamental changes that we have not really seen since the 60s(at the latest) in regards to how government can play a positive role in helping the citizens.
Vire
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That is by far the least of it and I think you know that.
I was more so referring to free college tuition and $15 minimum wages in all states.
Yes, I also hate overly obvious headlines.
Yes, I expect them to not act like a bitch and vote. If they can't in numbers that aren't a fucking disgrace then fuck them.
Im watching it on DVR but I do have to say that Bernie clearly is taking the criticism of him not being able to carry the minority vote to heart. He came out swinging talking about black and hispanic unemployment and prison reform.
The idealist in me wants him to defy the odds so fucking badly nut the beaten down rationalist in me keeps telling me to get behind the grizzled, tough realist Hilary. The woman who is clearly forming her agenda around the current realities of the country and will certainly get some meaningful things done and will guarantee a liberal supreme court which is profoundly important.
The idealist in me wants him to defy the odds so fucking badly nut the beaten down rationalist in me keeps telling me to get behind the grizzled, tough realist Hilary. The woman who is clearly forming her agenda around the current realities of the country and will certainly get some meaningful things done and will guarantee a liberal supreme court which is profoundly important.
And_Gignac
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The mainstream-corporate media is in full fear mode. They want to kill him before he even has a chance to destroy their capitalistic empires.
NullPointer
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Develop an app that scares the political class then. That allows the teeming apathetic hordes to translate their internet angst into something more tangible than a clever hashtag. Aren't apps what the kids are doing these days?
*adjusts reading glasses*
Cow Mengde
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Bernie does have a plan. Just read it instead of ignoring it.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox...ake_wall_street_pay_for_higher_education.html
This right here. Always painful to see supposed progressives hop on the neoliberal train and openly mock even discussing these ideas, many ideas that have been implemented to great success abroad.
Ridiculous how progressives are stuck in the 90s. I know a lot of old ass people are still alive and solid voters compared to the younger demographic, but that's why you build a coalition for the future. At least get the discussion rolling today. Get people to know what you're selling and then you work on selling it to them.
Stop being a bunch of fucking cowards
huh
They are protesting Renoir
BluePigGanon
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I have no idea if I'm right but my gut is that Sanders comes out of this with a bigger bump than Clinton. Everyone knows Clinton and everyone who likes her is already on board; lots of people probably got their first real exposure to Sanders tonight.
Escape Goat
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It was my first day.
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Ive been waiting 10 minutes.
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Ive been waiting 10 minutes.
He calls it a "political revolution". What he means is people being invested in the political process, and being engaged enough to vote people that support their interests into power.
Easier said than done, but that's just the reality of the situation.
I like Bernie. I like his ideas. But has he ever said how he's going to get that fucknugget Congress to go along with them?
Its hard not to think of Hillary as getting Bill Clinton back. Possibly an idealized version of him cause the late 90s were amazing for a lot of us. Its hard not to think of him out there smacking Republicans around, motivating people to support things. Unfair to Sanders, sure, but its Bill Clinton.
Its hard not to think of Hillary as getting Bill Clinton back. Possibly an idealized version of him cause the late 90s were amazing for a lot of us. Its hard not to think of him out there smacking Republicans around, motivating people to support things. Unfair to Sanders, sure, but its Bill Clinton.
Team Alucard
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I was flipping between the debate and baseball, so I missed some stuff.
I heard the candidates talk about making college more affordable going forward, but did any of them say anything about helping the people who are already drowning in student loan debt?
I heard the candidates talk about making college more affordable going forward, but did any of them say anything about helping the people who are already drowning in student loan debt?
I thought Hillary looked the most ready for the job. O'Malley should gain some support and Bernie, bless his heart, still comes off to me like that guy running for class president promising no more homework and free pizza for everyone. Webb and Chafee need to keep their day jobs. It was a nice debate though and refreshingly grown up after the GOP's Captain Kangeroo show.
The people that conceded the House and Senate to the right are the ones that didn't vote in midterms and now are clamoring for Bernie like some saviour because they predictably have some hero fetish that crops up only around presidential elections. Sorry, but if they wanted progress and real chances for Sanders to actually enact anything there were midterms to be voted in years ago, not just now when they have their new fetish-candidate du jour.
Hillary and I think Bernie.
Eh but alot of what he proposes is plausible.
The problem is that our legislative system is forked beyond repair and allows obstruction to the degree it does. It's not Bernies fault that the law makers could block the policies that people vote him in the office to implement.
NullPointer
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I didn't actually, so thanks or the clarification. I adore the college tuition idea, but I haven't looked into it. Minimum wage seems fraught with problems though, I'd fully agree on that one.
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