Roland_Gunner
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You don't think they have those things in Canada? Really? Did you ignore the entire decade that Stephen Harper was in power?
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Democratic Primary Debate V
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You don't think they have those things in Canada? Really? Did you ignore the entire decade that Stephen Harper was in power?
Spoiled Milk
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"Bring both your heart and your head."
Is that what Bill did?
Is that what Bill did?
You're repeating the FUD that was smacked down weeks ago. Laws can be re-litigated if there is precedent. You can elect court justices who, given the chance, would overturn previous decisions. The idea that Citizens United is here now and forever is just foolish. It undermines the very fundamentals of how our government functions.
benicillin
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I really enjoy when Sanders and Clinton get along. Gives me warm fuzzies. It's easy to forget that they agree on most issues in the first place sometimes.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Sick Bern.
-Pyromaniac-
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LOL it should have ended on the THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE.
doesn't it make you all tingly?
SolarPowered
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Goddamn the democrats are class acts. If you could bring back the zombie versions of Republican presidents they'd have to be ashamed of what happened to their party after watching Bernie and Hillary tonight.
Prodigal Son
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I was reading a black people X bernie poll. What did Bernie say that caused the audience to cheer like they did?
I don't ignore it. Bernie wins in categories besides FP specifics and minutiae. plus he can negotiate with congress better than hildawg, I think, to achieve better healthcare.
Spectromixer
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But Bernie did talk about race... you just didn't say anything
i cant tell if this is a sex joke or not
VendettaRed07
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How did we end up here. They were literally out for blood tearing each other apart in the first twenty minutes
Shy Fingers
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"...since I was as young as many of Sander's supporters"
At least she admits it
At least she admits it
shinra-bansho
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I think there are valid critiques of free trade, economics tends to look at the whole and not the parts. The way it has evolved has been less than ideal. There's good and bad to trade, some of it intranational, some of it bilateral, some of it global (the reduction in extreme poverty is generally attributed to the reduction in trade barriers). That's likely no consolation to someone who lost their manufacturing job in the US.
I don't really know though, what people are proposing would change in the current globalised economy. Tariffs a la Trump? Increased subsidies to industries a la the flawed agricultural subsidies in the US?
Roland_Gunner
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They're running for the Presidency, it should be tough. If you aren't willing to vigorously defend your ideas stay home.
Butts-a-plenty
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He appears to lack the ability to go in depth into any of the policies he is proposing on the stage. He doesn't articulate policy mechanisms below skin level, like ever.
yeah I scratched my head there
teruterubozu
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My man Bernie.
Of course they do, like every nation, but not nearly to the extent that the US suffers. And I agree, Harper was a stain on Canada and highlighted that things could very easily be turned worse in all those regards.
The Technomancer
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They both realized how bad it looks for both of them. Hillary can't risk being seen as shrieky, Bernie can't risk being seen as harassing her
Spoiled Milk
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I hope they don't break up. Big banks made it so that your bank account didn't disappear when your nobody local bank closed shop due to shoddy investment strategies that were utilized primarily by shadow banking industries.
Macho Madness
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Yeah. They probably regrouped during a break and realized it wasn't a good path.
And_Gignac
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That was a great closing statement. The anecdote of Sanders was lovely. Sad to see people here who only response to that was "lol his stump speech"
this weekend
ShironRedshift
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I wonder, is he admitting defeat then? I mean, certainly it's a big issue, but if money in politics is truly as big of an issue as he makes it out to be, then he has no chance at defeating Hillary and even less of a chance of defeating his GOP opponents, because they're extra money precludes any chance he his of winning, right?
And if he somehow manages to not only defeat Clinton, but also his GOP opponent... then how much of an impact does stuff like Citizens United really have? I mean, certainly it has an impact, but if he manages to win in spite of it and despite not taking SuperPAC money and nonetheless winning against people who took tons from SuperPAC, how can one simultaneously argue that it's not just an important issue, but the most important issue, when you won anyway, something that should be impossible under that logic?
It just seems there's a contradiction in there somewhere--if it's really that big of a deal, he's admitting it's impossible to win. But if he does manage to win, despite not using SuperPAC money himself, how big of a deal can it truly be if it didn't stop him from getting his message across and the people choosing him despite all that money being thrown around. It just seems odd to me.
I though she always polled extremly well among people concerned with foreign policy
Zok310
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He didn't bring anything, he just came.
Time to get the popcorn ready. We aren't even at the elections yet and this is one of the most exciting things ever to follow on both sides
Yes, but never before have we witnessed the contrast between these two candidates. Sanders was completely out of his depth.
Abinash117
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Eastern European nations. I mean really they raised the defense budget in Europe because of Russia. To your last point, and Russia has more than that than you mentioned . There are US troops in the Baltic nations and Russia has nukes too. I find it surprising that people are comparing a country that has almost done nothing besides threaten countries that never amounted to anything for years to a country that just invaded a country.
Suikoguy
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Sorry, my power fluctuated right as I was about to hit reply.
I can only personally contribute two factors that I've seen posted;
1.) Perception of the source of income inequality. A poll showed that many Black people see racism as the primary reason. While Sanders believes in the mantra "A Rising Tide Raises all Ships" and sees tax policy among others as the primary reason.
2.) Electability. I have not seen any polls on the matter, but it's not far fetched to think Hillary would have a better chance in the general election. If one of your priorities is to keep the other party who hates your guts out of office, then that may be of great importance.
I can only personally contribute two factors that I've seen posted;
1.) Perception of the source of income inequality. A poll showed that many Black people see racism as the primary reason. While Sanders believes in the mantra "A Rising Tide Raises all Ships" and sees tax policy among others as the primary reason.
2.) Electability. I have not seen any polls on the matter, but it's not far fetched to think Hillary would have a better chance in the general election. If one of your priorities is to keep the other party who hates your guts out of office, then that may be of great importance.
he has a shot at winning now so I can see why you're worried about his specific proposals. his goal when he first began his campaign was to primarily change the conversation to domestic economic/power issues. I have to admit I am ok with him still doing that.
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