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[Slayven]

So China is the source of race problems?

 

[GashPrex]

So Wall Street?

Yep Wall Street

 

[Tesseract]

oh jesus, they are trying to place it on a tee for him. went straight back to wall street again...

to be fair, he got a loaded question earlier

 

[Geist-]

Retooling trade skills for clean energy initiatives for one.

That right there.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Wonder if he's baiting her here to make a statement on TPP as she's been wishy-washy on that so far.

 

[Condom]

 

[Manmademan]

She's not. She's referring to real stats that show increased mortality rates among poor whites.

Heroin and painkiller abuse has a LOT to do with that

 

[Mecha]

It's the truth with Chinese characteristics.

Nope, but this isn't the place to discuss this any further.

 

[Jenov]

Yes, poor white people.

Well, there are some very poor, white communities that are hurting... but yeah, I don't think they needed to pivot the debate that direction after just talking about black issues.

 

[B-Dubs]

So China is the source of race problems?

I thought this was an answer on an income inequality question...

 

[Brinbe]

zzzzzzz

 

[Trojita]

Retooling trade skills for clean energy initiatives for one.

That's a nice suggestion, but try implementing that in West Virginia.

 

[Evil Monkey DTT]

So far I kinda feel like this is the most even debate. Both are giving good answers, I don't really disagree with either of em.

 

[Seventy70]

What does Bernie have against McDonald's :'(

 

[Draper]

Uhhh... we're talking about white people right?

Apparently not

 

[pigeon]

This is a new look for Sanders. He's not ignoring African-American specific issues by pivoting to economics, he's ignoring white-specific issues by pivoting to economics.

 

[Pastry]

Drink every time he says billionaires lol

 

[Jay-Hova]

Sanders fucked up. Asked a question abit race relations, and immediately started with a spiel about wall street. Black people do not want to hear that their problems are the same as other people because they know they are not.

But we are affected by the same things and the things that aren't the same at still tied to it.
If anyone says otherwise it's ignorance.

 

[Codeacious]

to be fair, he got a loaded question earlier

Hillary stuck the tee in the ground, though. The moderators just put the ball on it.

 

[The Librarian]

Bernie's losing here. He's not giving anybody any reason to vote for him over Hillary -- because Hillary is doing really well.

 

[cDNA]

Revitalize coal country? Koch brother funding?

If we reduce coal consumption , the people working in that industry lost jobs. They need to be retrained.

 

[Paskil]

Berns getting that MacDonalds endorsement, selling out!

Spoiler

/s

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I really wish Sanders hasn't tacted back to Wall St. on race relations.

Wasn't great.

 

[And_Gignac]

I really wish Sanders hasn't tacted back to Wall St. on race relations.

He was doing so goooood. I mean, he has his message on lock but dude, just say some wishy washy thing and move on.

 

[Mr Cola]

Drink every time he says billionaires lol

Billionaires, Corporate, 1%, Wall Street

 

[Clefargle]

If this is your criticism for this debate I have to interpret that as a huge win for Hillary so far.

At this point it's just background noise. Her makeup could cement her "elitist" persona in many people's minds. Funny how the word "elitist" is now an insult in liberal lexicon like it used to be on the right when used against Obama.

 

[Trojita]

Bernie

 

[royalan]

If I were playing a drinking game for every time Bernie said, "handful of billionaires..."

 

[exmachina64]

Please don't mention Wall Street or billionaires.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Her roots are showing through, back to the salon. And that outfit. And she should consider more blush. And look at those wrinkles. And... for serious?

Can we not be conservative radio?

 

[nckillthegrimace]

Mayor McCheese is furious at Bernie's dig.

 

[studyguy]

Bernie had a hell of a time with Ramos not like two weeks ago with immigration. Lets see how it goes.

 

[Evil Monkey DTT]

That's a nice suggestion, but try implementing that in West Virginia.

As someone from WV you aren't going to see much progress and its a damn shame, but I do agree we SHOULD do it.

 

[pigeon]

But we are affected by the same things and the things that aren't the same at still tied to it.
If anyone says otherwise it's ignorance.

This framing is backwards and wrong. Race issues aren't tied to class in America, class issues are tied to race.

 

[Leona Lewis]

"General economic issue" is not going to do the job on the day that only the third police officer involved in a shooting of an unarmed black youth was convicted out of almost 300 in the past ten years.

 

[Cesare Borgia]

So China is the source of race problems?

The 1980s and post-internet boom increases in black (and other group's) poverty can be correlated with the death of manufacturing and NAFTA - among other things obviously. And things are arguably worse now in many ways.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

This OP is way too niche. I mean the Republicans got Game of Thrones and WWE. Might as well make an OP with a Vindictus theme while you're at it.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Nope, but this isn't the place to discuss this any further.

This is a discussion with Chinese characteristics. We will continue to have it.

 

[SURGEdude]

Well, there are some very poor, white communities that are hurting... but yeah, I don't think they needed to pivot the debate that direction after just talking about black issues.

Agree 100%. It's not an either or. But target the biggest issues first. And those are the problems with institutional racism. But that doesn't mean poor whites are doing great.

 

[Jeevesmeister]

It's almost as if Wall Street driving up income inequality to a massive degree had a compound effect on racial inequality. Race and class are intertwined and intersectional.

Bernie's answer was rough but big corporate has largely fucked this country over in some massive ways over the past several decades, the consequences of this as large and far reaching as they are have compounded atop one another unchallenged for far too long.

Agree 100%. It's not an either or. But target the biggest issues first. And those are the problems with institutional racism. But that doesn't mean poor whites are doing great.

That depends who you're talking to. America is 75% white (including white-identified Hispanics), to them institutional racism isn't as big a deal as the poverty that directly affects them. Again, it's a massive issue, but let's not assume Bernie is a political idiot when he's won a hell of a lot more actual elections than Hillary. (1 versus like what, 17?)

 

[valkillmore]

Drink every time he says billionaires lol

It's true haha. Must be gold flake vodka

 

[disastermouse]

If this is your criticism for this debate I have to interpret that as a huge win for Hillary so far.

It's a substantive debate - there's not really much to criticize about the substance. Hillary has a messaging and an image problem and it shows up in debates or any public appearances, really.

You can be sure as shit that the campaigns are looking at this stuff.

 

[RustyNails]

That's a nice suggestion, but try implementing that in West Virginia.

You asked for a suggestion and I answered. Implementing is a different question.

 

[And_Gignac]

"General economic issue" is not going to do the job on the day that only the third police officer involved in a shooting of an unarmed black youth was convicted out of almost 300 in the past ten years.

He already addressed that problem and he didnt mention Wall Street. Pay attention Leona, thats why your career is where it is.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Yeah under Obama's administration more people have been deported than ever before.

 

[Ashodin]

Sanders saying "I will do what is right!"

YES

 

[Officerrob]

Hillary looks bad with that collar. I don't know what it is, but it screams 'elite and out of touch'. She's gotta work on her smile, too - she just looks smug. I know it comes from usually being the smartest person in the room, but it plays terribly on TV.

Her collar screams elite? Come on...

 

[Brinbe]

GOP probably losing their mind listening to Bernie

 

[Raxus]

What was the executive action for immigrants?

 

[pigeon]

Bernie going the right direction on the immigration question, but I think dancing around a little too much. I still feel vague about his overall perspective on this issue.