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Democratic Primary Debate VI: Raid Time 2/11 9PM EST
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But it won't be held tomorrow, and I could change the world with ifs.
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Ooof on the "street corners". Just sitting on the stoop Bernie?
Manmademan
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South carolina is going to be brutal, and the SEC primary is IMMEDIATELY after that. It's going to be a goddamned bloodbath.
OuterLimits
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As a Conservative, I thought Clinton started off super strong and Sanders struggled. That shifted after 45 min or so and Bernie did better. She was stronger on foreign policy but he held his own this time. Overall a draw to me.
Hillary sounds somewhat Republican on foreign policy. She has always been somewhat hawkish though.
Hillary sounds somewhat Republican on foreign policy. She has always been somewhat hawkish though.
Big Baybee
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Why does Bernie keep basically shitting on the president and then saying he didn't when it's brought up? His base would love that.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Exactly, he stresses judgment because he's not someone who has to develop plans in the first place for foreign policy, only judge the plans of others. So he says he can call out a good plan and a bad plan, but doesn't seem able to put one together.
This has bothered me with him since day one. He's a legislator, and a damn good one, but he is not an executive at all.
Psychoward
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Why is this type of generalization okay lol
Depends on metrics. I think Carter was the best man to serve other than Obama in the entire history of the republic.
Michael F. Assbender
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Your avatar is more modern than her concept of leftist politics.
Just call yourself a centrist non-progressive and I'm fine. It's a legit point. Just don't fake it.
Let me guess: You're a millennial, right?
JesseEwiak
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She's not talking to you. She's talking to middle class black family in Charleston who cried on Election Night in 2008.
balladofwindfishes
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Cool
That doesn't change the fact that Bernie is the one who needs to sway voters, not Hillary
When he gets absolutely destroyed in the South, it won't be because Hillary swayed voters to her more effectively. It'll be because he dropped the ball.
So finally Bernie is studying up on foreign policy. The problem is I don't think he's actually studying up so much on foreign policy as he is studying up on Hillary's history with foreign policy. Rather than offering insights, Bernie came equipped with a lot of attacks but didn't have much substance of his own to offer.
To be fair, foreign policy is not easy.
But I think his worst answer has to be the one when the moderator asked him, "You think race relations will be better under you than under Obama?" and Bernie immediately answered, "Absolutely...wall street stuff, street corner, jobs, etc." It was ridiculously presumptuous of this white guy to talk about how much better race relations are going to be under his presidency because economics will solve everything.
To be fair, foreign policy is not easy.
But I think his worst answer has to be the one when the moderator asked him, "You think race relations will be better under you than under Obama?" and Bernie immediately answered, "Absolutely...wall street stuff, street corner, jobs, etc." It was ridiculously presumptuous of this white guy to talk about how much better race relations are going to be under his presidency because economics will solve everything.
We need a democratic Reagan in the sense of recognition and candidate modeling. Obama is better than Bill in this regard long-term. But sure in terms of this debate...she's playing it too obvious to the informed eye.
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They did Carter dirty.
Sickboy007
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Vincent Alexander
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From a voter standpoint, it was a smart move. From...I don't know what viewpoint...I would've loved to see her invoke Obama, then talk about how what he built that can be expanded on. How we can move forward. She talked about moving forward, but was spotty on the details. It was a little too much "Obama Obama".
Read my response to his response on the last page.
And yes I'm at the edge on the old end.
Officerrob
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I don't think either one of them would be
This is such a silly line of thought.
Just makes her look weak. Using that clutch, stand on your own ground.
aspiegamer
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Indeed. She's not in any way hiding that much of her platform is a third Obama term. It's always been the plan in a party with a popular retiring President. Not as popular as Bubba (and Gore ran on much of his platform), but still very popular within the party.
You can still call it weak if you'd like, but when it's your platform, it's your platform. It's your message.
I'd argue we don't need a Reagan. That doesn't mean Obama can't be invoked. Hugging all of his policies though does nothing for us, especially when we should continue moving forward.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
I think Hillary took that.. strong close too.
She's winning me over big time. I just trust her to take care of shit, way more than Bernie. 4 more years of Obama-tier... I'm cool with it.
She's more to the right than I like.. but the country is so far right.. you can't really expect anyone strong left to get a damn thing done.
I wish the Bernie-stans would stop pushing the anti-Hillary stuff.. they are trying to tear the party apart.
She's winning me over big time. I just trust her to take care of shit, way more than Bernie. 4 more years of Obama-tier... I'm cool with it.
She's more to the right than I like.. but the country is so far right.. you can't really expect anyone strong left to get a damn thing done.
I wish the Bernie-stans would stop pushing the anti-Hillary stuff.. they are trying to tear the party apart.
What exactly is your problem with TPP?
Yeah, that perfectly describes Cornel West and Noam Chomsky
So we're just gonna ignore the multiple generalizations of Hillary voters in this thread?
excelsiorlef
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Obama is the sitting president. She's talking about continuing his work.
Is this a real question?
What about the laughable generalization that millennials are selfish and lazy?
benicillin
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Bold prediction is that people who like Clinton will continue to like Clinton, people who like Sanders will continue to like Sanders, and these debates won't move the needle much one way or the other.
A Black Falcon
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Fantastic closing statement there from Hillary! That was a very good argument for why people should support her over Bernie. She had a better tone and demeanor throughout the debate, as well. It was an improvement over her very angry style last debate, while Bernie was as angry as ever. It's a win for her there. Oh yeah, and the finger-wagging does not look great...
To Bernie all domestic issues involve the big banks and Wall Street. He's the definition of a single-issue candidate. He's great on finance, better than Hillary for sure on that issue, but it is everything to him.
You are absolutely right that Kissinger is a (sadly uncharged) war criminal and I wish he had gone to jail for it, but in opening relations with China he did do at least one good thing, admittedly. I don't like saying anything good about Kissinger either, but it is true. And America as a nation has a long history of working with awful people on subjects we do agree with them on.
I guess in the same way you're ignoring your bullshit generalizations, yeah.
Officerrob
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It feels like the "primary Obama" stuff is about to kick into overdrive
BreezyLimbo
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Yeah. Losing Obama is a real sadness. Like, I'm not backing any horse in particular, and to invoke him and say you'll be just like them is to make me look at the person in suspicion. That's not going to happen Hildawg.
I don't have faith in her to continue his work. And she hasn't convinced me otherwise.
darkside31337
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Because 80+ percent of democrats support Obama. He shits on him when its politically opportune the same exact way Hillary embraces him.
It's really smart for Hillary to go after him on this. He has to juggle being both being different from Obama but not running away from his accomplishments at the same exact time.
Psychoward
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Who's ignoring it? Does that make it okay for you to do the same thing?
Thanks, we'll stop here boy
Dixon's Jet
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Sadly one takes advice from Henry Kissinger and the other doesn't
Battersea Power Station
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Mods, I thought we were going to ban this kind of shit-posty generalizations. I'm firmly in the middle class and I believe loop quantum gravity is a much more viable theory than general relativity.
Except Obama was running more left of Hillary and he got stuff done during his presidency. It can happen.
It's set the bare minimum. You don't want Bill's bare minimum.
ugaboga232
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Shocked, shocked, (not that shocked).
Obama probably loves two people try to suck up to his image though. Gonna watch the first hour, thanks to everyone who sent links.
What a load of rubbish. Neither has even run for president yet. Let's not jump the gun. And I don't think he will be held as highly as you presume. Cool, collected, funny, commanding, responsible for making some decent policies and strides, but also very ineffective on foreign policy, and failing to make many of the major changes promised (especially reshaping Wall St, where instead he basically offered more of the same), as well as detrimental to privacy and freedoms with the whole NSA, Manning and Snowden stuff. Mostly positive, but with some serious negatives.
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