Democrats push for taxing internet sales
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GoldenEye 007
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The president and governors of the several states should veto this and any new taxes out of pure principle and logic until Congress and state legislatures can review, research, present, and implement the following:
1. Figure out the priorities of government and the current and future dynamics of the country/state.
2. Figure out how to responsibly cut out or drastically reduce waste and inefficiencies in government programs and offices.
3. Utilize income based on the results of step two. If a program is truly short, it could also be remedied first by redistributing money found in one inefficient or wasteful program and putting it in that particular program/office.
4. Propose new taxes if governments are still short.
I think the various governments can survive on the status quo for oh, say 2-4ish years as the research is done. But I guess it's easier for all to just bend over and take it.... Guess I'll prepare for new taxes!
1. Figure out the priorities of government and the current and future dynamics of the country/state.
2. Figure out how to responsibly cut out or drastically reduce waste and inefficiencies in government programs and offices.
3. Utilize income based on the results of step two. If a program is truly short, it could also be remedied first by redistributing money found in one inefficient or wasteful program and putting it in that particular program/office.
4. Propose new taxes if governments are still short.
I think the various governments can survive on the status quo for oh, say 2-4ish years as the research is done. But I guess it's easier for all to just bend over and take it.... Guess I'll prepare for new taxes!
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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This, I actually have stuff shipped to my families home or my old apartment in NJ (front desk holds it) so I don't have to pay 8.5%.LQX said:
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GoldenEye 007 said:
That should take the better part of the next decade. We better get started...
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harSon said:
:lol oh little child, so naive it's charming...
Nazgul_Hunter
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Since it's an interstate issue; maybe that should be a federal sales tax that is given back to the states?
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harSon said:
You're assuming the State Legislatures aren't filled with morons.
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Teh Hamburglar said:
after you? shit, i dunno.
Here's one thing I'm wondering about: would they continue accounting for differences in actual counties? Here in NC, for example, the actual state tax rate is 5.75%, and counties tack on an additional 2% or 2.5%, depending on the county.
Would counties lose this ability? Is that what the "uniform" part of the article was talking about?
Would counties lose this ability? Is that what the "uniform" part of the article was talking about?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Nazgul_Hunter said:
Oh now, I don't want some VAT crap on top of sales tax (no way the states are going to give up their right to sales taxes).
water_wendi
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These taxes should have been in right from the start. The only reason i can think of that taxes werent put on internet or mail order sales would be to spur growth. Internet sales are huge now. Large enough to damage local retail.entrement said:
Look at computer part sales. You have products that are the cheapest piece of shit made in a sweat shop in Malaysia or China thats been outsourced. Strike one. Then you have the average internet seller doing business out of a garage that has next to zero overhead if there is any at all. Strike two. And on top of those two you have a loss of tax revenue to round out the whole process. Strike three.
The entire model is fucked and people wonder why things are in the shitter.
ALeperMessiah said:
What's naive about assessment? The thousands of extra dollars I'm paying this year for a California University education is the direct result of the state's budget crisis. Prices have obviously gone up regardless of the state's economic situation over the years, but it has always been incremental, while this was instantaneous and significant.
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harSon said:
Just ask yourself this. Do you honestly think that if California ever gets a bump in tax revenue that the raises in tuition will go away?
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Trurl said:
You're one of those people who are just reaching for reasons to hate this.
1.) Textbooks are expensive as it is. The whole "new edition every year/other year" is what skyrockets the cost, but that's another discussion.
2.) Is $40 or so in tax really breaking the bank for already high textbook costs?
3.) They would still be cheaper on Amazon even with sales tax
4.) The tax revenue created could go back to our schools instead of cutting costs/having familes foot more of the bills.
Why the hell should it matter where something is purchased? IMO a sales tax should be uniform, nobody should be awarded or penalised depending on how they choose to do their business. As much as I was opposed to it in the beginning, GST hasn't destroyed Australia yet. And it hasn't risen due to safeguards put in place during its introduction.entrement said:
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I wouldn't be against this measure if most states actually had some sort of budget. It seems like most states in the union are in debt or severe financial stress brought on by reckless spending and shitty longterm plans.
I'm sure most people wouldn't buy an alcoholic an extra drink when they're clearly falling over themselves?
I'm sure most people wouldn't buy an alcoholic an extra drink when they're clearly falling over themselves?
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Captain Sparrow said:
so we're going to tax people to help them?
Captain Sparrow
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ALeperMessiah said:
Ask yourself this, will California be better off financially to collect 8.25% tax on every item bought online, which people have been required to pay anyways?
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Trurl said:
In many states, books are tax free.
As is food.
As is clothing under x amount.
Thats the biggest problem. My address is 101 happy street. Heres the deal, 102 happy street is in another town that charges .5% higher sales tax. And 1000 happy street is in new hampshire, which charges no sales tax. And 5 happy street is in new york, which taxes everything, even food!
Of course, it should go through. A sales tax is a sales tax is a sales tax, regardless of the medium through which you purchased it. Treating online sales as an exemption only complicates an already complicated tax code. Applying a state's tax code to online purchases may deter a handful of people around these parts, but it won't deter most people; shipping and handling charges certainly didn't substantively deter people from moving more and more of their retail purchases online over the years.
For all the gripes that people may have with politics, parties, and politicians, this shouldn't really be an especially divisive issue in the least. Everyone's against loopholes and special interest exemptions except, of course, when they benefit from the aforementioned loopholes and exemptions.
For all the gripes that people may have with politics, parties, and politicians, this shouldn't really be an especially divisive issue in the least. Everyone's against loopholes and special interest exemptions except, of course, when they benefit from the aforementioned loopholes and exemptions.
No, they will just squander it like always.harSon said:
Food is the only thing that is tax free here. And even then, just select foods. Everything else is taxed.jamesinclair said:
And I live on 102 happy street, my county adds an extra .5% sales tax to the 6% state one
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considering how much tax revenue states are losing, I can't exactly say no.
it'll be more like losing a free party ending.
will be a sad day, but it's inevitable.
it'll be more like losing a free party ending.
will be a sad day, but it's inevitable.
ALeperMessiah said:
Did I ever say that the existing hikes would go away?
Trurl said:
In a lot of cases, it has more to do with selfishness than government ineptitude. Quite a bit of our country is concerned for themselves, and themselves only, and could give a shit about what happens outside of their immediate vicinity.
Captain Sparrow
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water_wendi said:
This
This is why we need this tax. This low overhead BS has destroyed us. People bitch about this tax. People bitch about not having jobs. Quit bitching.
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Captain Sparrow said:
California's not really a great example. They're so fucked up no amount of online sales tax will save them. And no, people haven't been required to pay it, that's the entire point.
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I wouldn't mind a temporary tax increase specifically for the funding of such a new office or program. 7 years then that tax can sunset. JFK-esque space race speech to go with it for all I care.Teh Hamburglar said:
Anything has to be better than just constantly throwing more money at the financial black holes that are the United States and state governments.
See, I always found this stupid. We are going to charge more from one sector. So we can put that money into stuff... people already pay in.Captain Sparrow said:
So you'll hurt growth in online sales, to poorly finance schools. Which you are already going raise tuition and tax anyways for. And it is still all going to fail. So, why in hell do you want to be charged more anyways?
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shintoki said:
Welcome to the art of taxing. I hate them, but we need them.
Also, what exactly does "uniform" mean? Meaning that all taxes within each state must be the same (i.e., no local city, county, parish, township taxes)? That all states must collect at the exact same rate (e.g., every state must collect at 5% no matter what)? That all states must collect or not collect sales taxes on certain items (e.g., no more unilaterally deciding that certain items, like food, should be tax-exempt)? Or all of the above?
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I agree with you completely on the validity of this tax, but it doesn't change the fact that this money will just push the need for repair even farther back.Trurl said:
You can see this example in a myriad of situations across the globe. People don't take peak oil, climate change, education, war, health care, or even politics seriously until the shit hits the fan and people are dying/fighting for their lives.
We need to check ourselves better before ringing others dry.
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Exactly. Examine the source and design a budget and have people held accountable for it. A new tax may improve things in the short run but its like treating a symptom and not the disease.
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wtf America doesn't pay tax if you buy off internet? :lol
seems like putting sales tax on internet stuff might be a good way to start digging yourselves out of that massive hole.
EDIT: this really blows my mind that you don't pay tax on internet purchases. I do most of my shopping straight off internet these days, if I was saving 20% VAT everytime I did it. Holy fuck I would have been straight digital person years ago.
seems like putting sales tax on internet stuff might be a good way to start digging yourselves out of that massive hole.
EDIT: this really blows my mind that you don't pay tax on internet purchases. I do most of my shopping straight off internet these days, if I was saving 20% VAT everytime I did it. Holy fuck I would have been straight digital person years ago.
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