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Tesla sales tank in Europe as stock drops 40% in a month

a'la mode

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No EU nation is getting free money. They're paying into the budget. This shouldn't mean that EU laws supercede national laws. EU member nations should be sovereign. I think that's even more important for Poland given their history.

It's not quite true that the EU was born as a political project. It started as an economic project with the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) in 1951 and then the European Economic Community (EEC) in 1957.

I wouldn't say it became truly a political unity until the Maastricht Treaty of 1993 that established the European Union.

Our general understanding of states is not the end all be all evolution of statehood, and thinking of the EU in terms of the unitary/federal state binary is a bit old fashioned. It sits kind of in between, with key differences of course, like the ability to actually leave the EU whereas states couldn't leave a federation (without a civil war). Also, member states still continue to be sovereign unitary states, but through their membership delegate some of that sovereignty into the EU to ensure that common policy can be adequately created and enforced, and yes, primacy of EU law is also in the package. You can't really apply old "shoulds" and "shouldn'ts" to it, because it's really just a collection of states going "fuck it, let's try something new". It's a new construct, an evolution or an experiment, and in the long run it could prove to be better or worse than what came before. So far my impression is that most EU residents, aside from the more nationalistic-populistic leaning parties and groups, have been quite happy with how the EU has turned out to be.

Clinging to the old school of thought in regards to sovereignty is a fair position to have, I'm not telling you you are necessarily wrong, but it can't be denied that a construct like the EU can (and has been so far) be more stable and wield more power and leverage collectively and be a bigger player globally, than a collection of random states jerking left or right on the whim of the current political climate. If all these little countries were alone, the US, Russia, and China would not give two flying shits about what the president from Noonecaresland with less people than these countries have in one city would have to say.
 

a'la mode

Member
And maybe a little more on topic, here's a good video for non-techies to explain what lidar is, and to demonstrate why relying only on cameras can never compete with systems that also uses lidar/radar. Musk promises the moon from the sky in driving automation, but FSD and Robotaxi are already outdated, and dead when compared to the advances made by competitors such as Waymo and Zoox.

 
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Hudo

Gold Member
Sweeping claims, by that you mean the fundamentals of economics which continue to apply in large economies.


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TL;DR?
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
that’s an oversimplification if I've ever seen one.

The U.S. absolutely plays a massive role in tech and medical innovation, however Europe isn't as stagnant as you suggest. Germany and Switzerland are leaders in medical devices and pharmaceuticals, the U.K. is strong in biotech, greentech from Sweden and the Netherlands etc.

I agree that some nations in Europe, especially those tied to the overly bureaucratic and undemocratic EU, but dismissing Europe entirely ignores some of the world-class research and breakthroughs happening here.

True. I mean look at TSMC. This Taiwanese company makes the world's best computer chips using machines from ASML Holding, which is a Dutch company, IIRC. A ADiTAR
 
And maybe a little more on topic, here's a good video for non-techies to explain what lidar is, and to demonstrate why relying only on cameras can never compete with systems that also uses lidar/radar. Musk promises the moon from the sky in driving automation, but FSD and Robotaxi are already outdated, and dead when compared to the advances made by competitors such as Waymo and Zoox.








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ADiTAR

ידע זה כוח
True. I mean look at TSMC. This Taiwanese company makes the world's best computer chips using machines from ASML Holding, which is a Dutch company, IIRC. A ADiTAR
Well, I said barely has a pulse. It's still breathing but you can't compare the entrepreneurship in America to Europe. There's much more push for innovation with much less tape.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Under that tough stainless steel "space-grade" exterior is just a cuddly little disaster made out of aluminum and glue. Lipstick on a pig indeed.
I'm sure tesla would say it's "high tensile strength industrial grade epoxy" but if you wanna be disparaging about it, then call it glue.

Like I don't call JB weld "glue" but I guess you can choose your bias in how you want it to sound.
 

a'la mode

Member
I'm sure tesla would say it's "high tensile strength industrial grade epoxy" but if you wanna be disparaging about it, then call it glue.

Like I don't call JB weld "glue" but I guess you can choose your bias in how you want it to sound.

I'm not drinking water out of a glass, I'm drinking dihydrogen monoxide out of a rapid-quenched low thermal expansion coefficient container made out of a silica-boron oxide compound.
 

Goalus

Member
Lol, this tesla defense force is pathetic. LIDAR is simply better than cameras, coat as you wish.
Ever since I have seen Huawei's system in action, I tend to agree.



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Zathalus

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I'm sure tesla would say it's "high tensile strength industrial grade epoxy" but if you wanna be disparaging about it, then call it glue.

Like I don't call JB weld "glue" but I guess you can choose your bias in how you want it to sound.
The Cybertruck is well know for having various build and QA problems. It fairs poorly against a lot of other trucks out there because the cast aluminum is worse then forged aluminum (or solid steel) and the "high tensile strength industrial grade epoxy" (also known as glue) is prone to breaking and having panels come off. There is a lot to admire about the Cybertruck in terms of feature set, but the build quality is not one of them.
 
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