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Not sure if having two friends equals a satisfying social life. For me, it doesn't.
I need acquaintances as well as friends.
Maybe I'll meet someone I know briefly at university, or in the train, or wherever and we'll have a short chat. Maybe he'll invite me to a party, or I'll get to know his friends who accompany him, whatever.

They're obviously not as important as my actual friends, but they definitely make life more interesting.

I had a scary thought the other day that has more validity to it than I feared: I will always be a chronically disappointed person and I will never learn what being satisfied actually means.
 
I had a scary thought the other day that has more validity to it than I feared: I will always be a chronically disappointed person and I will never learn what being satisfied actually means.

Yeah, I can somewhat relate to that. I know that I made huge progress in the last 3 years, but on an emotional level, I cannot appreciate it or even be remotely satisfied with it.

Although I like to think that the fact that I'm still a virgin pretty much justifies my disappointment. How the fuck does one manage to not get laid at university?
 
e.g.: wreck: depressed, sitting at home alone, having no friends, frustrated with own life, no hobbies.

This is me right now in life since I've been out of work. Been applying and very little feedback. I stay home so I don't spend money that I'm quickly running out of. Started selling off my precious game collection online to make extra cash to pay for my bills. I'm too embarrassed to ask my family for help so I suffer in silence. I'm up until 6 am reading the Internet and sleep till noon. Wake up and rinse repeat.
 
I can relate. This is going to sound vain, but I think it bothers me more that I'm good looking and not getting steady action (or any, for that matter) than it would if I were actually unattractive. I feel like Tantalus.
 
This is going to sound vain, but I think it bothers me more that I'm good looking and not getting steady action (or any, for that matter) than it would if I were actually unattractive.

This x1000

I like to think I'm a rather attractive guy, at the very least I'm way more attractive than many guys who get laid on a regular basis. Hell, I've seen downright ugly or fat guys pull quality pussy.
And I'm pretty sure I'm a more interesting person than the average guy. At least that's what I gather from the feedback from my peers.

And I can't even get laid ONCE. Fuck me.
 
This x1000

I like to think I'm a rather attractive guy, at the very least I'm way more attractive than many guys who get laid on a regular basis. Hell, I've seen downright ugly or fat guys pull quality pussy.
And I'm pretty sure I'm a more interesting person than the average guy. At least that's what I gather from the feedback from my peers.

And I can't even get laid ONCE. Fuck me.

The oldest whine in the book :) (I suffered from it as well until I decided to live my life instead of almost living it)
 
The oldest whine in the book :) (I suffered from it as well until I decided to live my life instead of almost living it)

Were it that easy. It's mostly the social anxiety.

I do everything to combat it: therapy, saying yes to every opportunity for socializing, doing presentations, and so on. Doesn't help that much, so far.

Nevertheless, I actually had 3 or 4 surefire chances at getting laid in the last two years, but I just couldn't do it. When it comes to making an actual move, I'm paralyzed.
 
When someone says "You're not a terrible person", your first thought being "You are a liar. You don't know me." seems like it would make you give yourself the reverse judgment as a default ("I AM a terrible person"), because I suspect that's just how the brain works. You would actively need to fight that thought to balance it out, which I think would require more mental effort or post-processing to sort out. I am lazy, so I don't want to take that route anymore. Fighting with myself is exhausting.
Instead, you can nip this back-and-forth dissonance in the bud by trying to react instead with thoughts of "Thanks! How nice of them. I guess I'm not coming off as a terrible person."
More reasonable. More moderate. Less post-processing to do.
I admit this stuff takes a while to sink in and do properly without feeling like a fraud, but I have been practising and I think it's slowly working!

This is basically what finally caused me to get over my constant feelings of depression a few years ago. I'm still prone to the occasional cratering of my self esteem and optimism, mind you... but one day I just... got tired of it. Truly, undeniably sick and tired of that internal fighting and putting up a guard. So I just let it drop and became more of a "whatever happens, happens" kind of guy.
It was really liberating for me in so many respects. I'm a lot more open to just taking things as they are nowadays.

I'm not sure if that helps anyone, though... It felt like, to me, it was a place that I had to arrive at organically. Maybe because at heart I'm a pretty laid back (or lazy, if you prefer) person.
 
This x1000

I like to think I'm a rather attractive guy, at the very least I'm way more attractive than many guys who get laid on a regular basis. Hell, I've seen downright ugly or fat guys pull quality pussy.
And I'm pretty sure I'm a more interesting person than the average guy. At least that's what I gather from the feedback from my peers.

And I can't even get laid ONCE. Fuck me.

Women have told me repeatedly that I'm intimidating. It's quite possibly the worst trait to have.
 
Women have told me repeatedly that I'm intimidating. It's quite possibly the worst trait to have.

I dunno, some women like to have physically intimidating boyfriends, possibly for the safety bonus they provide?
Are you a huge, towering giant of a man, or do they mean intimidating in terms of personality? Because the latter probably really isn't a good trait to have. A girl needs to feel comfortable around you.
 
Were it that easy. It's mostly the social anxiety.

I do everything to combat it: therapy, saying yes to every opportunity for socializing, doing presentations, and so on. Doesn't help that much, so far.

Nevertheless, I actually had 3 or 4 surefire chances at getting laid in the last two years, but I just couldn't do it. When it comes to making an actual move, I'm paralyzed.

You'll be fine if you genuinely are a nice guy and keep trying, keep it up!
 
I dunno, some women like to have physically intimidating boyfriends, possibly for the safety bonus they provide?
Are you a huge, towering giant of a man, or do they mean intimidating in terms of personality? Because the latter probably really isn't a good trait to have. A girl needs to feel comfortable around you.

They're referring to my intellect. I'm well read and very opinionated. I am no genius, but I'm smart enough to bother them. That's all that really matters, I suppose.
 
Been trying to sleep for 4 hours. Feel like shot that my SO is being an asshole to me, fucking amazing to then go to bed, she's on a different sheet cover (protection?) I ask her if it doesn't bother her when I move and she says no, it's actually almost perfect. The sheet under it is the fucking mattress. Also her brother just came in and started banging his chick. Fucking awesome, I've been at this for fucking 7 years and haven't gotten fucking anything I'm so angry and sad and then afraid and then angry again and this has happened several times, and every time it happens I just feel like fuking dirt, dont wanna work, don't wanna do anything but lie wherever I fall on

Edit: I really don't know if this is depression or if am just being a fucking pussy or both. Sorry I'm not even sure this might be depressing or non important, you can ignore it if you want, I don't care, been ignore everywhere all my fcking life and had wouldn't be the first or the last.
 
Been trying to sleep for 4 hours. Feel like shot that my SO is being an asshole to me, fucking amazing to then go to bed, she's on a different sheet cover (protection?) I ask her if it doesn't bother her when I move and she says no, it's actually almost perfect. The sheet under it is the fucking mattress. Also her brother just came in and started banging his chick. Fucking awesome, I've been at this for fucking 7 years and haven't gotten fucking anything I'm so angry and sad and then afraid and then angry again and this has happened several times, and every time it happens I just feel like fuking dirt, dont wanna work, don't wanna do anything but lie wherever I fall on

Edit: I really don't know if this is depression or if am just being a fucking pussy or both. Sorry I'm not even sure this might be depressing or non important, you can ignore it if you want, I don't care, been ignore everywhere all my fcking life and had wouldn't be the first or the last.

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Sleep (too much, too little)
Interest decreased in activities (anhedonia)
Guilt or worthlessness (Not a major criteria)
Energy decreased
Concentration difficulties
Appetite disturbance or weight loss
Psychomotor retardation/agitation
Suicidal thoughts

How many symptoms have you experienced in the past two weeks?
 
Like 3 times? It depends on the month week. Sometimes more sometimes less. Work is a fucking pain in the ass when you're feeling like shit. But I'd say more than usual
 
Does anyone here struggle with hypochondria? I've been doing okay emotionally but any time I have a hypochondriac episode it totally destroys whatever emotional progress I've made. Part of my mind being convinced that I have some kind of horrible disease, as irrational as it is, can pretty much leave me curled up in a dark room for days at a time.
 
I can relate. This is going to sound vain, but I think it bothers me more that I'm good looking and not getting steady action (or any, for that matter) than it would if I were actually unattractive. I feel like Tantalus.

I sort of know this, but I'm still not sure if I'm ugly or if I just have a terrible personality is the reason I haven't ever been in a relationship. I juggle between the two regularly. Social anxiety doesn't help either, I'm getting better I think though.
 
Ever wake up and feel totally empty, as if there's nothing in that day that could make you feel good about life, and the only option is to simply wait for the next day to come, hoping you will be better then? Today is one of those days for me.
 
Ever wake up and feel totally empty, as if there's nothing in that day that could make you feel good about life, and the only option is to simply wait for the next day to come, hoping you will be better then? Today is one of those days for me.

That was me yesterday, although near the end of the night that feeling went away. Some days are really hard :(
 
Did anyone else grow up in a home in which one or both parents smoke?

Yes. I hate smoking to this day. (Although once a year I'll get really, really drunk and chain-smoke like half a pack. Then, the next day I'll want to die. Good times.)
 
This. First you have to fix yourself to a degree where you are A) somewhat content with who you are and B) a fun and interesting person to be around with. Then you have to fix your social life: make a few friends. And now, finally, you are ready for a girlfriend.

There are of course exceptions, people who get a girlfriend despite being depressed and having no friends, but for the most part that does not end well.
A buddy of mine with depression and almost zero social life finally got a girlfriend, but he left her after a few months because she did not magically solve all his problems or even improve his life.

Trust me guys, getting a girlfriend is not the be-all, end-all. Now, getting laid OTOH (especially if you're still a virgin), I can certainly see that helping.


Yeah, it's possible, but it's not a happy relationship most of the time.
Believe me, I used to think the same, but once it happened I realised that not, it doesn't help at all. Well, it actually does during some time, but if you spend long enough without contact with another woman (or man, if that's your preference) you'll end up depressed again, and thinking you'll never find another person who wants to be with you. Or maybe that's just me, and I have no way of ever being happy and satisfied with my life.
 
I'd just like to report that my first interview is edited and is just waiting approval from the interviewee. I'm not sure I did an amazing job (I'm still learning to do a non-medical student interview - "So what brings you in to the clinic today?"), but my interview subject had a great story to tell.

I don't want to post any spoilers, but I might have earned myself a tag, a subject about which I'm having second thoughts...

I've been turned down by a few people I'd love to interview, and gotten a few more people agreeing to do it. If there are things you'd like asked of your fellow depression-GAFfers, let me know.
 
Getting laid is a very temporary thing. You'll feel better right after, but it only distracts you for a few hours at best. In fact, I almost always feel WORSE either directly after or within the next half hour.
 
Getting laid is a very temporary thing. You'll feel better right after, but it only distracts you for a few hours at best. In fact, I almost always feel WORSE either directly after or within the next half hour.

Its even worse when you have to pay for it.
 
Getting laid is a very temporary thing. You'll feel better right after, but it only distracts you for a few hours at best. In fact, I almost always feel WORSE either directly after or within the next half hour.

Yeah, it's like stimulant drugs.
 
i feel like i should be on drugs everyday just so i don't have to think at all.

Is there nothing you can do to distract you from your thoughts? Music, videogames, learning a language or an musical instrument, reading, drawing, photography, astronomy? Nothing at all?

Learning helps very well for me. I made a list of subjects I wanted to learn more about. Then for each subject I searched for the best book(s) to learn from and now I'm reading those. For me those subjects are astronomy, classical antiquity, music and French. I couldn't enjoy any of those if I didn't have the right material. Most books are a drag to learn from, but I eventually found some that were more enjoyable.

Maybe read some philosophy? There are tons of different world views and learning about them has really helped me to develop a more exciting outlook on life. You can take elements from each world view to create your own. I think a lot of people can't get out of their depression because of their world view.

I know this could be useless advice, but it might be useful for some. Things aren't going to get better just like that, so you might as well try out a lot of things.
 
admit yourself to a hospital and that will very much be the case
I do not recommend it though

I guess it would be terrible since i would be alive. you know one of the terrible truths about being gay is that i will never meet anyone and be alone. my dreams of having a family buying a house having kids are meaningless. i admit i hate the show my gf/bf thread or when people post photos of their newborns since i will never have any of that ever. its like looking into an abyss of nothingness and that's my life that's my future. it makes me crazy it makes me hate everything, it makes me just want to blow my brains away. And to top it off i am the antithesis of attractiveness in the gay world so i cannot even find anyone. it sucks to feel for guys that want nothing of me or guys who are straight. even gaygaf hates me so i try not to post in their thread a lot. i wish i knew this is the way my life was going to turn out so i could have just killed myself in high school.

Is there nothing you can do to distract you from your thoughts? Music, videogames, learning a language or an musical instrument, reading, drawing, photography, astronomy? Nothing at all?

Learning helps very well for me. I made a list of subjects I wanted to learn more about. Then for each subject I searched for the best book(s) to learn from and now I'm reading those. For me those subjects are astronomy, classical antiquity, music and French. I couldn't enjoy any of those if I didn't have the right material. Most books are a drag to learn from, but I eventually found some that were more enjoyable.

Maybe read some philosophy? There are tons of different world views and learning about them has really helped me to develop a more exciting outlook on life. You can take elements from each world view to create your own. I think a lot of people can't get out of their depression because of their world view.

I know this could be useless advice, but it might be useful for some. Things aren't going to get better just like that, so you might as well try out a lot of things.

I have no talent and i've lost interest in games, reading, learning Japanese, everything. There is no point to life, no point to live, nothing at all.
 
Yesterday, since there were renovations in my apartment, I took the opportunity to clean up the fridge. Removed everything, cleaned every boards, left them to dry, put everything back in. Cleaned the top of the fridge which was disgustingly full of dust (crazy how must dust finds itself where you never look). Tried to clean the inside of the oven but I can barely scratch anything off so I gave up on that. Did the laundry too, and washed the floors quickly. Next weekend I'll redo the caulking around the bath.

Really nothing fun, but it feels good to clean things up and put some order in the house. Even feels good to put stuff in the recycling bin or the compost bin. Something about putting things where they should be and getting rid of old crap feels therapeutic. I recommend it:)
 
you really think your problems would go away if you weren't gay? you seem to have this conception that being gay makes it harder to find someone


All my male cousins are either married or have kids and me the only one of age and i have nothing. i hate to visit their homes and see them on holidays so i don't. my cousin is marring her boyfriend next year and everyone keeps telling me i must go, but i know i will not i wont not for anything.
 
All my male cousins are either married or have kids and me the only one of age and i have nothing. i hate to visit their homes and see them on holidays so i don't. my cousin is marring her boyfriend next year and everyone keeps telling me i must go, but i know i will not i wont not for anything.
You literally did not address the question at all. That would be like me responding to "Is rain good for plants?" by claiming the flower outside my door was wilting.
 
I guess it would be terrible since i would be alive. you know one of the terrible truths about being gay is that i will never meet anyone and be alone. my dreams of having a family buying a house having kids are meaningless. i admit i hate the show my gf/bf thread or when people post photos of their newborns since i will never have any of that ever. its like looking into an abyss of nothingness and that's my life that's my future. it makes me crazy it makes me hate everything, it makes me just want to blow my brains away. And to top it off i am the antithesis of attractiveness in the gay world so i cannot even find anyone. it sucks to feel for guys that want nothing of me or guys who are straight. even gaygaf hates me so i try not to post in their thread a lot. i wish i knew this is the way my life was going to turn out so i could have just killed myself in high school.

I have no talent and i've lost interest in games, reading, learning Japanese, everything. There is no point to life, no point to live, nothing at all.

You need to get your self esteem and your interests back. I notice that your standards are very high, so you have to change your world view dramatically. Then everything else will follow. You'll start seeing beauty in life again, you'll suddenly be more social, find a partner eventually and then you could adopt.

Stop focusing on your long term desires and seek therapy to work on your self esteem. Self esteem is EVERYTHING. With it you can make a lot of progress, without it you lose all interest and you're much less productive.
 
you really think your problems would go away if you weren't gay? you seem to have this conception that being gay makes it harder to find someone

You literally did not address the question at all. That would be like me responding to "Is rain good for plants?" by claiming the flower outside my door was wilting.

well it is harder since the gay world is all about looks. I've had few girls ask me out before but guys never. half of all my problems or more would be gone if i was straight.

You need to get your self esteem and your interests back. I notice that your standards are very high, so you have to change your world view dramatically. Then everything else will follow. You'll start seeing beauty in life again, you'll suddenly be more social, find a partner eventually and then you could adopt.

Stop focusing on your long term desires and seek therapy to work on your self esteem. Self esteem is EVERYTHING. With it you can make a lot of progress, without it you lose all interest and you're much less productive.

that seems impossible right now.
 
Its not fun seeing myself become that old gay guy at the end of the bar that everyone ignores and having to go home sad and alone or having to pay someone to be with you.

A lot of what makes attractive people desirable is their confidence. Granted, it's easy to feel confident when you know you look great. Still, you can go a long way toward being more desirable by being confident. Emphasize your best qualities. Work out. Try to dress your best. You can add several points of attractiveness without cosmetic surgery just by doing the best with what you've got and learning to be comfortable in your own body.
 
well it is harder since the gay world is all about looks. I've had few girls ask me out before but guys never. half of all my problems or more would be gone if i was straight.
Want to change places? A guy once tried to hit on me while I was waiting for some friends outside a bar, you can have him if you want. I'd gladly take your girls from you :P
 
Want to change places? A guy once tried to hit on me while I was waiting for some friends outside a bar, you can have him if you want. I'd gladly take your girls from you :P

Haha, this. I've had quite a few guys hit on me, but no real girl attention.
 
half of all my problems or more would be gone if i was straight.

this is such utter bullshit
ive been hit on by guys, never by girls
Girls dont tend to want anything to do with you if you're depressed

Its like you're telling us that we're shit because we're straight and still have problems
well guess what, its not easy so you can stop blaming your sexuality
 
A lot of what makes attractive people desirable is their confidence. Granted, it's easy to feel confident when you know you look great. Still, you can go a long way toward being more desirable by being confident. Emphasize your best qualities. Work out. Try to dress your best. You can add several points of attractiveness without cosmetic surgery just by doing the best with what you've got and learning to be comfortable in your own body.

I already said i am the opposite of attractiveness in the gay world, who would want to be with me at all. I am already attracted to a certain type already and that type of guy doesn't like me in any bit. Least if i was straight i would have had a family by now worrying about buying a house or what birthday cake for my kid or a nice wedding anniversary present for my wife. My life is an empty abyss the best way to save it is to commit suicide.

this is such utter bullshit
ive been hit on by guys, never by girls
Girls dont tend to want anything to do with you if you're depressed

Its like you're telling us that we're shit because we're straight and still have problems
well guess what, its not easy so you can stop blaming your sexuality

I'm not even saying that. Just my family and peers around me are getting married and having families and i have none of that.
 
I already said i am the opposite of attractiveness in the gay world, who would want to be with me at all. I am already attracted to a certain type already and that type of guy doesn't like me in any bit. Least if i was straight i would have had a family by now worrying about buying a house or what birthday cake for my kid or a nice wedding anniversary present for my wife. My life is an empty abyss the best way to save it is to commit suicide.

You're how old? A lot of people grow into their looks. My dad and grandfather are both handsome men, but when my mom brings out the pictures of my dad from their wedding it's always a laugh riot.
 
You're how old? A lot of people grow into their looks. My dad and grandfather are both handsome men, but when my mom brings out the pictures of my dad from their wedding it's always a laugh riot.

huh? grow into my looks. so why not start dating when i am 50 maybe 70. no thanks if i have to wait that long i might as well just die now.
 
huh? grow into my looks. so why not start dating when i am 50 maybe 70. no thanks if i have to wait that long i might as well just die now.

Not THAT long. I looked pretty pitiful until my late teens and I really came into my own in my twenties. In my thirties, I think I still look pretty okay.
 
Not THAT long. I looked pretty pitiful until my late teens and I really came into my own in my twenties. In my thirties, I think I still look pretty okay.

I'll attest to this, I don't know how attractive I am right now, but I look much better than I did even just two years ago.
 
Well i guess that does not apply to me at all. At any age i look horrible.

Well, you're going to have to do what men have been doing since the dawn of time: cultivate something else. If you don't think you can cut it with looks, you're going to have to be funny, or interesting in some other way, or kind.
 
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