Sounds like it's better already cuz it does more dmg, right?
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Sounds like it's better already cuz it does more dmg, right?
No. Wolfpack Rounds are what makes the GH so good. Cluster explosions aren't in the same league.
Extra damage and extra light doesn't mean anything to crucible players either. Perks and stats matter.
Also, I wonder if a VoC would still be better for a solar burn Nightfall/weekly than a new DLC weapon without any damage type?
Owlowiscious
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Stuff about (as I call it) stage 2
None of this answers your question:
You start at 'old side', you end at 'new side'.
To get to new side you need to cross a bridge.
-This Bridge can only be crossed while holding a sword
Both sides have a center circle, and two side 'annihilator/totem' circles
-Center circle is the on/off switch for everything on that side
-Center circle starts the encounter
-Center circle constructs the bridge
-Center circle turns on that side's anihilator totem circles
-Anihilator totem goes from blue to red to party wipe
-Standing on the totem circle makes that totem fade to blue
-Standing on the center circle makes both totems fade to red to dead (blue overrides red)
-I'm saying if someone dies/goes off the circle, center circle/plate can go off their circle to stop the totems. they will stay the color level they are currently at until someone goes onto a toem plate (turns blue) or someone stands on center cirlce (turns red)
Center circle constructs a bridge
-A bridge is forming: someone is on center circle, do not cross bridge
-The bridge is fully constructed: A LIE. Bridge is almost complete. Now would be a good time to get a sword and start heading to bridge, then cross when the bridge is no longer transparent
-The bridge is deconstructing: The bridge will start to deconstruct, top down, new side dissapearing first and continuing to old side. Sword holder can stay on center circle to form bridge, kill sword bearer while one circle, pick up sword and get across bridge if they jump and melle glide across at the end.
There is always one of the other, the sword or the swordbearer
-Swordbearer spawns on old side, center room. He then descends staircase and heads to a random circle. Usually left or right totem, but sometimes to center circle.
-Swordbearer regenerates health constantly, and super regens if not hit for a short time.
-Swordbearer drops a sword on death, and spawns a gatekeeper at new side
-Sword fades away after X amount of time, weather someone grabbed it or not. time doesn't change if someone grabs it. example: say the time is 30 seconds. 1 second on ground, picked up, 29 seconds with sword. 25 seconds on ground, picked up, 5 seconds with sword.
Gatekeepers suck
-They can only be damaged by the sword
-They avoid walking into the side totem circles, but freely walk into center circle
-They will walk into the side circle to attack people, then realize they are in the circle and back out. Sometimes this means they will attack once before walking out again.
-They can be killed by many different sword combos. Easiest is ground melee, repeat.
-They attack when facing you. If not facing you, they have to turn to face you.
-^This means you want to attack them from an angle, and they will be 'stun locked' while trying to face you and die to melee melee melee melee melee. No need for fancy melee melee shoot or shoot shoot melee melee melee shoot shoot.
(UNSURE) After the sword has been picked up four times, or after four people cross the bridge, or after 5 sword bearers have been killed, you are near the end of the encounter
-After the first pickup, acolytes and gun knights constanly spawn on new side
-They go anywhere, and can enter any circle
-After the third pickup, wizards spawn
-(UNSURE) After clearing these spawns several times || or || after the fifth sword pick up || or || after a set amount of time after the fourth sword pick up, two ogres will spawn, one left, one right, on new side.
-Killing these two ogres end the encounter
-amount of gatekeepers alive don't matter, most I've seen at once is four (three?), possible there is a max limit to gatekeepers
To get to new side you need to cross a bridge.
-This Bridge can only be crossed while holding a sword
Both sides have a center circle, and two side 'annihilator/totem' circles
-Center circle is the on/off switch for everything on that side
-Center circle starts the encounter
-Center circle constructs the bridge
-Center circle turns on that side's anihilator totem circles
-Anihilator totem goes from blue to red to party wipe
-Standing on the totem circle makes that totem fade to blue
-Standing on the center circle makes both totems fade to red to dead (blue overrides red)
-I'm saying if someone dies/goes off the circle, center circle/plate can go off their circle to stop the totems. they will stay the color level they are currently at until someone goes onto a toem plate (turns blue) or someone stands on center cirlce (turns red)
Center circle constructs a bridge
-A bridge is forming: someone is on center circle, do not cross bridge
-The bridge is fully constructed: A LIE. Bridge is almost complete. Now would be a good time to get a sword and start heading to bridge, then cross when the bridge is no longer transparent
-The bridge is deconstructing: The bridge will start to deconstruct, top down, new side dissapearing first and continuing to old side. Sword holder can stay on center circle to form bridge, kill sword bearer while one circle, pick up sword and get across bridge if they jump and melle glide across at the end.
There is always one of the other, the sword or the swordbearer
-Swordbearer spawns on old side, center room. He then descends staircase and heads to a random circle. Usually left or right totem, but sometimes to center circle.
-Swordbearer regenerates health constantly, and super regens if not hit for a short time.
-Swordbearer drops a sword on death, and spawns a gatekeeper at new side
-Sword fades away after X amount of time, weather someone grabbed it or not. time doesn't change if someone grabs it. example: say the time is 30 seconds. 1 second on ground, picked up, 29 seconds with sword. 25 seconds on ground, picked up, 5 seconds with sword.
Gatekeepers suck
-They can only be damaged by the sword
-They avoid walking into the side totem circles, but freely walk into center circle
-They will walk into the side circle to attack people, then realize they are in the circle and back out. Sometimes this means they will attack once before walking out again.
-They can be killed by many different sword combos. Easiest is ground melee, repeat.
-They attack when facing you. If not facing you, they have to turn to face you.
-^This means you want to attack them from an angle, and they will be 'stun locked' while trying to face you and die to melee melee melee melee melee. No need for fancy melee melee shoot or shoot shoot melee melee melee shoot shoot.
(UNSURE) After the sword has been picked up four times, or after four people cross the bridge, or after 5 sword bearers have been killed, you are near the end of the encounter
-After the first pickup, acolytes and gun knights constanly spawn on new side
-They go anywhere, and can enter any circle
-After the third pickup, wizards spawn
-(UNSURE) After clearing these spawns several times || or || after the fifth sword pick up || or || after a set amount of time after the fourth sword pick up, two ogres will spawn, one left, one right, on new side.
-Killing these two ogres end the encounter
-amount of gatekeepers alive don't matter, most I've seen at once is four (three?), possible there is a max limit to gatekeepers
strat that doesn't answer your question
Form and order, then positions
sword holders 1-3, stay on/near center circle and chase sword bearer
sword holders 4-6, each on a separate circle, stay on circle and focus on your mobs/spawns/adds, ignore swordbearer or you'll die to adds
at start of encounter, 4-6 look at the edge/ledge of circle and kill the 4 thralls that crawl up, then turn around and kill adds as they come frome the same place they always come from.
at start of encounter, 1-3 look up center staircase and kill the swordbearer
1 picks up sword, crosses bridge, kills gatekeeper, then goes to a totem and kills acolytes/knights
repeat for 2
repeat for 3, 3 stays at center circle
if gatekeepers are alive, center circle can repeatedly double jump to avoid gatekeepers while constructing bridge. note if you jump too high, bridge will deconstruct so try not to both jump too high or stay up high too long
4-6 can get off circles after 3 crosses the bridge. adds on old side ramp up in difficulty then. 4-6 should retreat up the stairs to where you first spawn, or jump over to a side circle on the left. then they can snipe the sword bearer and 4 can cross the bridge and assist where needed. repeat for 5-6.
after 5 crosses, 6 might notice the spawns on old side despawn except for swordbearer. this means ogre can/will/have already spawned. you can either keep crossing the bridge, or stay behind and snipe the orges. either way you can finish without 6 crossing.
at this point everyone can leave circles. one silly strategy I used was to run up the center staircase and be touching the door with the green light. from here thralls and other enemies don't run all the way up to you (most times) and everything else can be shot down before they reach you. ogres can be stun locked with ice breaker crit shots and shouldn't be an issue
Titans: Striker blind grenade gatekeepers, they should go first and grenade each gatekeeper as the swordholder approches.
Hunters: Cloak to revive people, or cloak with clock super with melee cloak to stay on center circle long enough to form bridge and get 4, 5, or 6 across
Warlocks: I dunno. Play like you always do~ Solar grenade to keep gatekeepers away from you. float just above a gatekeepers head. maybe aim float to stay up longer?
sword holders 1-3, stay on/near center circle and chase sword bearer
sword holders 4-6, each on a separate circle, stay on circle and focus on your mobs/spawns/adds, ignore swordbearer or you'll die to adds
at start of encounter, 4-6 look at the edge/ledge of circle and kill the 4 thralls that crawl up, then turn around and kill adds as they come frome the same place they always come from.
at start of encounter, 1-3 look up center staircase and kill the swordbearer
1 picks up sword, crosses bridge, kills gatekeeper, then goes to a totem and kills acolytes/knights
repeat for 2
repeat for 3, 3 stays at center circle
if gatekeepers are alive, center circle can repeatedly double jump to avoid gatekeepers while constructing bridge. note if you jump too high, bridge will deconstruct so try not to both jump too high or stay up high too long
4-6 can get off circles after 3 crosses the bridge. adds on old side ramp up in difficulty then. 4-6 should retreat up the stairs to where you first spawn, or jump over to a side circle on the left. then they can snipe the sword bearer and 4 can cross the bridge and assist where needed. repeat for 5-6.
after 5 crosses, 6 might notice the spawns on old side despawn except for swordbearer. this means ogre can/will/have already spawned. you can either keep crossing the bridge, or stay behind and snipe the orges. either way you can finish without 6 crossing.
at this point everyone can leave circles. one silly strategy I used was to run up the center staircase and be touching the door with the green light. from here thralls and other enemies don't run all the way up to you (most times) and everything else can be shot down before they reach you. ogres can be stun locked with ice breaker crit shots and shouldn't be an issue
Titans: Striker blind grenade gatekeepers, they should go first and grenade each gatekeeper as the swordholder approches.
Hunters: Cloak to revive people, or cloak with clock super with melee cloak to stay on center circle long enough to form bridge and get 4, 5, or 6 across
Warlocks: I dunno. Play like you always do~ Solar grenade to keep gatekeepers away from you. float just above a gatekeepers head. maybe aim float to stay up longer?
To answer your question
After trying different annoying rage inducing things, we put our 29 as sword holder 1 (or 2?) to beat it
Johan Liebert
Member
sooo.....one of our raid mates discovered this during the Crota's End last section.
image is a spoiler: https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net...076_994682470545825_8648876329382483277_o.jpg
what does this mean?
image is a spoiler: https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net...076_994682470545825_8648876329382483277_o.jpg
what does this mean?
No idea what triggered it, a teammate managed to spot it and called it out, none of us saw it but he saved an image and video. Will link if it's uploaded. He also shot it and it was predictably immune.
None of us could get up there when we tried it at the beginning without triggering the start because of an invisible wall.
None of us could get up there when we tried it at the beginning without triggering the start because of an invisible wall.
That's what I want to know. I don't know if it does more damage but it has the "rockets create cluster bombs when they detonate perk". I guess we will have to wait for tests to see how much damage it does.
How can you be 100% sure?
IXIKelsonIXI
Member
Yeah, people definitely lose sight of that in this thread.
We are among the hardest of the hardcore, to spend all of our gaming time playing the game and most of our days browsing forums and threads related to it. We are the 1%, and we often lose sight of that when it comes to some of this stuff.
scarletham
Member
I think there was some speculation around this when the announcement was first made. Nothing concrete that I've seen, though.
Regardless, he's right though, I think. Makes more sense to buy a brand new one than turn yours in.
Mike_Hawk689
Member
Anyone looking for one more for raid?
FloatingDivider
Member
Beat Crota for the second time today, props to Drizzay/Boguester for being the sword ninja who boasts the most damage in a round I've ever seen /D
Exclusion Zone
DrDrizzay101
Member
Sword kill #2 in the books, didn't even take a full 3 rounds. Dude got straight up embarrassed, damn.
Hunter-Zero
Member
Welcome to the club of those deemed worthy by Rahool, the same happened to me day one lol
EmmaWatsonButt
Member
Necrochasm starts as common you upgrade to legendary with an item from Eris.
The item you need to get to make it an exotic probably drops from hard raid still:
Question is, how do we acquire the common version of the gun first? From Eris?
scarletham
Member
Whole write-up much appreciated. Good refresher for tonight's attempts. We basically had it last night, but people had to go to bed. I (our 29) was going over on the 3rd gatekeeper, as we had two titans over there able to flashbang for me.
MADGAME
Member
Sorry guys I derp'd big time. 7k Glimmer plus + Shard to upgrade, coins + Shard to buy. I have an abundance of coins, glimmer is capped at 25k which means at most you can upgrade 3 out the gate if you are maxed and would have to go farm more glitter. I'll bet taking the "purchase new" route over "rexurbish" when possible.
Seems quicker to get in and get out from there, we should definitely try it out.
Weird... maybe he stays up there the whole time to prevent you from going in there and just killing the knights where they spawn. It could be cheese prevention... I wonder if you can kill him with the sword and if it does anything though?
Exclusion zone. Kill all the yellow bar enemies at the beginning and leave the big shield guy alive, once you've killed everyone else let shield guy kill you, then repeat. Oh and always be popping a "resupply code" which you will get a lot more of while doing this method. Should reach the glimmer cap from zero in 1-2 hours (closer to one) if you do it right.
Necrochasm starts as common you upgrade to legendary with an item from Eris.
The item you need to get to make it an exotic probably drops from hard raid still:
Where's my Khvostov upgade path?
Major Williams
Member
I think it's just a tracking Hezen of Vengeance. The clusters don't look like they track
Agent_Tiro
Member
About to start the weekly on 30. Anyone fancy joining me. Psn is same as gaf. 29+ pls. I don't have an arc primary to carry anyone lower. Apols.
I wonder if we should switch you to going second? I haven't been to the other side yet so I don't know how hard it is over there but maybe it'd be better to get you over sooner?
scarletham
Member
Do you still need a shard to fill in the last bubble if you buy it with a shard? If so, it's 2 shards + coins to upgrade and max, versus coins and 1 shard to buy and max.
I think if X-Frame can flashbang him, yeah, I should be fine. Then we have more 30s on the other side to clean up adds / swordbearer more efficiently. Worth a shot tonight.
EroticSushi
Member
Looks like it's there as a cheese prevention. I was close to getting up there as a Warlock.
MAD did you finish the raid yet? Saw you on it yesterday.
I really wonder if this was the main reason they held off releasing the hard version. We've debated it, and I assume it is, but knocking out / fixing cheese this way is probably much easier for them.
Given how easy VoG is now, that would be a bad idea from a "Don't make it too easy to get Exotics!" point of view.
Of course, you're talking to someone who still thinks the Gjallahorn is an insane rocket launcher.
Sweet, thanks for the details.
I'd probably say the same place I did the Knights/Wizard bounty. In the Chamber of Night mission there's a checkpoint where a Knight and two Acolytes spawn and then a Wizard and a few more Acolytes. Shoulder Charge, die, repeat.
Why aren't you sending him over 4th or 5th out of curiosity? It's not like he can't hide in safety when the job of keeping the bridge open switches to the opposite side + it'll allow more higher leveled people over there to fend off the baddies.
Say Xur is selling the Sunbreakers and the upgrade option for them. If you buy the new item and dismantle your old Sunbreakers it costs 13 coins and gives you a shard. If you upgrade the existing Sunbreakers and buy the shard it costs you 14 coins.
scarletham
Member
I've found the other side to be less hectic than the beginning side. By less hectic, I mean easier to hide on top of a pillar. Then I can shoot stuff from up there and still provide for the group, without constantly being revived.
Johan Liebert
Member
You cannot get up there at all. There's an invisible barrier blocking your way if you manage to get enough lift.
Also
The Gatekeeper is not supposed to be there at all. No Gatekeeper spawns over there but for some reason this one did. Not clear what exactly we did so that it spawned. Will have to watch the video
If the shield guy killing you seems to take forever...
Stand in front of a rock. His shield bash sends you into the rock which kills you instantly.
Or just shoot a rock with a rocket at close range. LOL
Video please. What did you get for drops?
I'm guessing it's part of the Xur quest no one has been able to start.
Too OP.
Our Warlock buddy who runs with us is still 29 and he did well. He mainly focused on the thralls and other adds and used Murmur to pretty good effect on everything.
I liked it. I thought the last part was pretty tense and tactical with things being able to come at you from several directions. Combined with the mobility of the wizards it really kept us on our toes. I certainly liked it better than Phogoth, if that means anything.
I thought this too... but then I realized something... to get to level 32 you need to get a 3 CE pieces of RAID armor and one exotic all fully upgraded. I now have three pieces of CE raid armor myself and I hope to buy an exotic helm with 36 light from Xur this weekend. However to fully upgrade the RAID armor you need 21 "radiant shards" per piece. And Radiant shards only drop in the CE raid. And it looks like they made it so that even if you beat the raid three times a week every week then it will still take quite many weeks to get 63 radiant shards to fully upgrade your CE raid armor... I also expect that the hard CE raid is going to be just pretty close to impossible for many gamers if you don't have mostly 32's. So if all that is true then it would be pointless to release the hard CE raid right now while it seems like it will take a lot of grinding for everybody to get to 32.
Of course if anyone finds cheese they will definitely take it out before the hard CE raid ships.
we were still getting overwhelmed on the original side with the sword bearers and other knights coming, so I was thinking keeping another 30 over there instead of his wimpy 29 hunter would help us out. But again like I said, I don't really know what's going on over on the new side so not sure if just a 30 and him can hold that side until the 3rd guy goes over
But if hard was available and cheese methods were found, people would be clearing out hard raid, even at lower levels and have the great gear.
I am going with the theory it's to find the cheeses before release.
Misterthirsty
Member
Can raid gear have 30 light without the radiant shard upgrades?
Darknyss09
Member
You do not need 2 exotic shards aka 14 coins to upgrade an exotic from Xur. You just need the original item, one exotic shard (7 coins or dismantle an exotic) and 7k glimmer.
This was confirmed in the Game Informer writeup.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...low-new-details-on-the-destiny-expansion.aspx
I think people are confusing the fact that you'll need another exotic shard to max the newly upgraded exotic.
This was confirmed in the Game Informer writeup.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...low-new-details-on-the-destiny-expansion.aspx
I think people are confusing the fact that you'll need another exotic shard to max the newly upgraded exotic.
No. It gets 30 light with the first radiant upgrade, followed by 33, then 36.
Hey I agree with you. I'm just saying that's probably not the only reason.
Is this confirmed?
Misterthirsty
Member
Man that's a pain. Need to waste marks on something that will get replaced by raid gear I already have.
Unless I get the shards next time I raid of course.
EL CUCO
Member
Looks a bit better for Ogres but seems riskier overall since boomer Knights are a constant threat. I just watched Datto wipe 40 times using this strat. He refused to use the room downstairs.
Also, something I noticed watching the stream just now. After Crota recovers from the first round of sword shots, he has an animation in which his shield takes zero damage. Last night we were firing on him almost instantly after he started getting up again. We need to wait a couple seconds till Crota is standing straight and looking towards us before firing on the 2nd round.
That's why he was taking 4 Gjallarhorns like a champ, and we all thought it was because we didn't have Weapons of light for the 2nd go around
Also, something I noticed watching the stream just now. After Crota recovers from the first round of sword shots, he has an animation in which his shield takes zero damage. Last night we were firing on him almost instantly after he started getting up again. We need to wait a couple seconds till Crota is standing straight and looking towards us before firing on the 2nd round.
That's why he was taking 4 Gjallarhorns like a champ, and we all thought it was because we didn't have Weapons of light for the 2nd go around
MADGAME
Member
Hey look who it is
Nope. We dropped by Crota's place, said hi and visited for a bit. Only a matter of time before we evict him and redecorate, hopefully tonight. Will be farming this one for a while, methinks.
Not even sure anymore. We will know tomorrow, I apologize for seemingly confusing the issue. Even if you don't need 14 coins, I would prefer to buy new to save the glimmer if the exotic is being sold. If you don't have coins to spare, may not be an option.