That is Bungie's problem for putting SO MUCH stuff in the DLC though ah ah ah.
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Destiny |OT14| Sticking It Hard in Crota's End
- Thread starter Hawkian
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No, they don't. The content is specifically post-30 content so they'll get to see it when they're post-30.
This is the part I can reasonably see the push back against but my response is basically just: I don't care. If the time between expansions is long enough then that really won't even be a problem.
Again, I already addressed your point about this in my response earlier to you. I have a big giant ol' caveat around this whole thing saying that they need to fix the RNG wall. Ideally, you would only need to run the raid at most 4 or 5 times total to be fully geared out and ready to move on to the next tier (just sort of throwing a random number out). This isn't even considering that with a tier above you that you won't even need to have every piece of raid gear to move on since there will be people above you that can fill in the gaps in the raid group.
Well, true, it doesn't directly help people already at the cap. I've said it respects Legacy players time investments but, yes, specifically with Destiny, we'd still only have one raid at each tier of content. That's a content problem though and not what I'm addressing.
Making the "lower tiers" of content relevant doesn't mean making it relevant to end-game players. It means making it relevant for new players. New players will always have to at least see Vault of Glass and complete it before moving on to Crota's End (in my ideal scenario). Currently, they don't have to and once House of Wolves shows up, they probably won't have to see Crota's End either.
This is something that should already be in the works.
That is to say, I agree with you about this but I sort of assumed this was a given. Vault of Glass *is* irrelevant to end-game players at the moment. You can see it as a problem, but I don't think it is a glaring one in a vacuum.
It *is* a glaring one, though, because of Destiny's content problem. End game players only have one raid to worry about. So, yah, it's getting boring for us, too.
But this is an entirely different problem than what I'm addressing. Okay, maybe not entirely different. They're related somewhat but not what I keep going back to (which is keeping content progression even throughout the games' lifecycle).
EDIT:
Well, that sort of isn't quite my point of contention. I agree, it sucks, but that is sort of the nature of the beast when it comes to progression tiers.
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It's 5 am here so I really shouldn't be up this late right now. I'm gonna have to cut this discussion short but I'll catch back up and reply later if there are replies and people want to continue the discussion.
brianjones
Member
i definitely think atheon involves more of the team than crota
my experience with crota is having one person who knows how to use the sword while several other people use gjallahorn and other people try not to get in the way
firehawk12
Subete no aware
You can legit solo Crota on Normal. I mean, that's just ridiculous.
robertsan21
Member
I understand where you are coming from honestly. This game is PURE grinding. Repeat the same missions and strikes over again. Kinda burnt out as of now. The only reason I will continue to play the game is due to the communityI enjoy playing with you guys at random hours in the morning haha
I dont think Bungie know what they are doing. They nail the core gun play IMO and the raids are some of the best coop experiences. But everything else is a massive mess.
This is how I feel.
Playing raids is what is still keeping me invested in the game, its crazy fun but the rest is a mess and needs to dealt with.
Noisepurge
Member
but i am OK with Iron Banner giving out armor sets to match Raid Gear, this is a good alternate way to reach the higher levels without playing raids. The game has two sides and Crucible variants should exist at all times.
DJ Lushious
Member
Well, the biggest issue is that the VoG gear became worthless three months after the game came out and almost instantly when the DLC dropped. I could understand if it were WoW, where the the raids stick around for half a year or more.
Yea but you gotta squeeze in at least 48 hours worth of grinding into that somehow.
Ok, I see what you're saying in terms of making all the Raids relevant to new players instead of making them obsolete. It's sort of the same issue though. It's having one Raid replacing the next in such a way that there is only one active, relevant Raid at any given time - both for new players who will skip the old ones and legacy players who won't come back to them.
Instead of forcing new players to go through them once, I suggest making them attractive for all players, every single week. Players won't "have to" run VoG before earning the right to enter CE, but they'll be interested in doing so anyways.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
I didn't want to do this but...what? HahaLesbian bears FTW
Again that's not how business works. The only way players would have accepted that is if Dark Below content was a free DLC. They paid for this content, so they have the right of playing it off the bat.
Noisepurge
Member
yeah, all Raid gear should auto-level to match the latest updates or be able to be upgraded at Xur or to keep them relevant. This way you could choose what design and features you like and get/keep the older, still unique, Raid armor.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
haha welp last time I will de-rail the thread
Japan's naming sense of awesome.
Fatebringer at 331 mmmm
noomi
Member
Why isn't it Tuesday yet, I need my chances at Hawkmoon already!
So what's everyone plans for raiding tomorrow, especially all us reset raiders. Many believe that the patch will hit later in the day, so the exotic chest should still be available in the morning.
So....
Grab chest, finish raid, wait for patch, finish raid again for Deathsinger loots?
So what's everyone plans for raiding tomorrow, especially all us reset raiders. Many believe that the patch will hit later in the day, so the exotic chest should still be available in the morning.
So....
Grab chest, finish raid, wait for patch, finish raid again for Deathsinger loots?
I think that's the plan so far, we'll know soon after reset if this woks or not. As for Hawkmoon, having recently maxed it...it's worth rolling the dice for. Keep grinding my friend.
How is raid gear with perks that benefit me killing oracles and minotaurs/vex going to help me in Crota's End against the hive?
Camp in Crota checkpoint before reset, someone after the reset takes my checkpoint do Crota 3 times, do everything up to Deathsinger 3 times, hopefully profit.
It does look like Bungie is learning though, Nightfall Vanguard bounty the day before the reset, much MUCH better than the day after *pats head*.
What the actual fuck did I just read
I must look for this.
noomi
Member
That's a great idea! I will do this! Just need to find someone willing to give out the CP now.
We did the podcast, but it didnt record.....lol
Noisepurge
Member
well of course those unique perks are less useful there and viceversa. But you could atleast have a choice in what to wear and all would give max light level.
And i already have Nightfall -gear separate from my Regular -gear and Crucible -gear. Wouldn't mind a few Raid -gear loadouts.
Well, Fatebringer is still the best Weapon to bring in CE, so...
Oh you were on the podcast too? OK I definitely need to get on there now
That's a great idea! I will do this! Just need to find someone willing to give out the CP now.
Cool thats what we can do with tomorrows run, 3 raids under an hour would be great
Jinjo
Member
I would not run the deathsinger portion of the raid just to be sure. So I'd not do the finish raid bit pre patch.
I wouldn't mind actual gear made just for the crucible with special crucible stats
Special nightfall gear for... Idk.. Extra armor
And then special raid gear that, we'll kind of like what they are doing already...
Instead it's a Mr potatoes head set up, walk in the raid with vendor chest, crucible boots and a xur exotic helm...
Just checking are you in for the run straight after reset 3 times like last week, starting from crota ?
noomi
Member
Yeah haha! I just PM'd you a short novel about it lmao! We just need to get dat Crota CP today, which should be easy enough.
Do we have a full group yet, or will we need a few spots to fill still for tomorrow?
Yeah, going to leave it out after reading the comment earlier. Still want to grab the chest if it's possible tomorrow morning.
mocolostrocolos
Member
I decided to redeem the Expansion Pack code and got into the Crota zone where there are 4 knights and 4 wizards, and the spawning thralls.
It's very hard to do it alone. I'm level 25 btw.
So, if anyone is willing to help my GT (Xbox One) is mocolostrocolos.
I usually play from 18:00-22:00 GMT.
It's very hard to do it alone. I'm level 25 btw.
So, if anyone is willing to help my GT (Xbox One) is mocolostrocolos.
I usually play from 18:00-22:00 GMT.
I'm in, no problem.
GlamFM
Banned
Insurmountable Skullfort looks so cool with sunsetting. It's become my PvP helmet of choice now too. I can run my extended lightning grenade/aftermath build without losing on transfusion on melee/shoulder charge kill.
Wait what!? Shader doesn´t change my helmet at all - why?
Awsome.
Looks like it , i will send a group massage on psn in about 8 hours to confirm if everyone is in.
Jinjo
Member
Wait what!? Shader doesn´t change my helmet at all - why?
My Titan just has that extra swag about her.
Me and a friend came to this conclusion yesterday too. I must have a special kind of Skullfort (it changes colour with all shaders). My guess is just that there are two versions out there, one that gets altered with shaders and one that doesn't. I got mine from Nightfall I think.
CouchMaster
Member
If Iron Banner gives out light 36 gear I wonder if it'll accept ass shards, because that's the only incentive they've got considering the new raid isn't too stingy about giving out armor.
GlamFM
Banned
WTF!
I mean I´m happy for you, but has this ever been confirmed?
Some exotics will be altered and some wont?
Jinjo
Member
I honestly don't know, I was pretty stumped about it too. Definitely looks cool as fuck though. It might be female vs male Titan thing where it only changes colour on females and not males (my friend had a male Titan too, mine is female). Can anyone else check this theory?
My Voidfang Vestments change with shaders but I don't know if they all do or I got a swag glitch too.
GlamFM
Banned
Jinjo
Member
I think it is sex dependant, i got one from nightfall and one that i purchased , both did not change color palette, male titan here.
Jinjo
Member
Might be due to ingame vs selection screen. The lights are purple on my selection screen too, but blue ingame.