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Destiny |OT17| 17th inning stretch
- Thread starter Kor of Memory
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MagnetoWasRight
Member
You know you can party chat on remote play, right?
kierkegaardsoren
Neo Member
My buddy and I are running through weekly and will move to nightfall After that...
Feel free to join us as I haven't played with a fellow gaffer in some time
We are on PS4 and my psn user name is kierkegaardsoren
Feel free to join us as I haven't played with a fellow gaffer in some time
We are on PS4 and my psn user name is kierkegaardsoren
silver.tongue
Member
Glimmer farming... GK CP... we start as we get 4.
1. silvertongueBR
2. SlenderBeans
3.
4.
5.
6.
1. silvertongueBR
2. SlenderBeans
3.
4.
5.
6.
JayHayabusa
Member
Great run guys. Took us four or five runs and we got him on Enrage. Was close.
Thx for putting up with me with no mic and on remote. Be back fully operational in 2 weeks.
silver.tongue
Member
Dude, I've tried that method you posted, I simply can't get it to work... Give's me a DNS error.
grimlock33
Member
Thanks to everyone for that Crota kill. Fancy sword work Kor. Got my 6th HAWKMOON!!!
If anyone else is getting a team to take that punk down, I could use a kill on my Titan and Warlock.
MrAnderson
Member
9 crota HM runs and I haven't seen the crux drop for anyone. Its worse than the vex so far for me.
Orochinagis
Member
Amazing group and run like always in gaf groups, damm you cursed thrall
silver.tongue
Member
I have 2. My weapon is still a husk of the pit tho... I can't can't get myself to waste some time to upgrade it.
Orochinagis
Member
I still need an extra kill with my 31 titan
Orthogonal
Member
grimlock33
Member
Lol I saw that before I jumped into CE. Was looking through my friends list and saw you were in a party with "MeInMyAss"
Orthogonal
Member
Got a 2nd Husk. Can't decide if it's worth keeping. Probably not.
DrDrizzay101
Member
Go with that instinct.... I've already dismantled a 2nd one.
Darryl M R
Member
I thought he was going to be some grown guy with a dark sense of humor. Nope, nicest sounding pre-teen who was very respectful and disappointed that we accidentally kicked him since he was AFK for awhile. . I don't want to go back in time and look at my old gamertags.
If you guys are still on. I'll be there in a few minutes, just got home.
xplicitone
Member
I'll glimmer farm with yall if there's a spot open when I get home from work in an hour hahaha
MrAnderson
Member
Well, that's depressing.
DrDrizzay101
Member
Xplicit pls. There was a story here about screaming squeakers... it's gone now.
Fast edit too slow for Boguester!!
grimlock33
Member
Anyone need to run the NF? Starting up with my Hunter, just jump in anytime.
silver.tongue
Member
I'm still here, not sure about SlenderBeans tho...
Glimmer farming... GK CP... we start as we get 4.
1. silvertongueBR
2. SlenderBeans
3. Frostburn
4.
5.
6.
Also, GAF, twitchplayspokemon just started another run of Pokemon Red... this will probably reduce my destiny time. lol
Glimmer farming... GK CP... we start as we get 4.
1. silvertongueBR
2. SlenderBeans
3. Frostburn
4.
5.
6.
Also, GAF, twitchplayspokemon just started another run of Pokemon Red... this will probably reduce my destiny time. lol
I need to run it. Are you already on my FL? PSN: GibbShift. Had it with my Lock last night, but PSN randomly shit itself while I was trying to get back into the game after dying.
SlenderBeans
Member
I'll still join. I'm just playing Transistor until we start. Just pop me an invite once we're ready.
DrDrizzay101
Member
edit: Nami noooooooooo! haha
There are obvious ways to make the current design slightly less terrible, like each person can only use sword once, etc. that would be more in line with the "random Atheon teleports" philosophy. But the current encounter is fundamentally broken, it would need to be rebuilt from the ground up.
That pre-release image of Scrota in the darkness surrounded by beady eyes was a better starting point. An enclosed arena battle with a more reasonable sized boss who doesn't insta-kill on such a tight timer but has more give and take with sword attacking, closer to a Souls boss. Needs way, way less focus on DPS gear checks, more dynamic movement, more opportunities for varied roles between teammates. Needs to actually use the "building a vocabulary" philosophy of VoG so mechanics introduced early on are combined together to test your understanding.
1.) Sword is cool but needs way more of them so other people can have fun too even if it's just controlling adds. Flying around chopping >>> standing still sniping. Timer is fine but would need to be much longer which would need to be balanced with doing much less damage per hit on Scrota.
2.) Presence of Scrota is fine, you could have dedicated healers i.e. orb generators for example. Key here is to throw this Lv33 forced under-leveling garbage out the window, it's the most critical design failure of HM CE, need way more give and take with enemies damaging you. Same as above: re-balance sword damage so having players at the same level as Scrota doesn't break the fight like now.
3.) It's dark, so use the lamps!!! Have to activate them to be able to see anything, multiple lamps required for maximum visibility: think Link to the Past final fight vs. Ganon. They're on a timer, same as abyss, but could be re-lit somehow (ideally a new mechanic, a sword ability similar to VoG relic cleanse). If they all go out it's literally pitch black: that would be fucking intense.
4.) Of course this mechanic would naturally tie in with weight of darkness mechanic. Not only would you lose visibility but also mobility if the darkness grew too strong. The lamps would light the entire arena to remove darkness (i.e. ALttP), not exactly the same as standing next to them in abyss but similar.
5.) Lamp lighting could be combined with bridge crossing. Need to kill sword bearer to access side areas where lamps are. Have to kill GKeeper to activate lamp or/and re-light a burned out lamp. Or maybe kill Shrieker to break wall to access lamp so teammates work together w/ sword crossing and shrieker blasting.
6.) Wizards form vestige pools if you don't kill them quickly enough so this would be one of those snow-ball effects. They spawn when a sword bearer dies so someone would need to take sword while one or more control wizard(s). More swords would mean more lamps and attacks at Scrota but also more wizards so it's a balancing act. Couldn't trivialize wizard spawns by not killing Boomers like now. They would have to spawn because you have to get swords.
7.) Oversoul is okay but needs to be much easier to kill so it's less of a DPS check and more so another thing to manage during the fight. Enrage should be similar to Templar and Atheon where it's still possible to finish off the boss, not the insta-wipe nonsense it is now. Maybe Ogres start spawning then but makes no sense to have perma-Oversoul, unless DPS was lowered a lot.
Multiple sword bearers so everyone can get a sword if you kill them fast enough, vestige green circles on the ground to encourage airborne sword mobility, still need to control adds but in a more free-flowing manner similar to Templar instead of Tower Boomer silliness. That gives everyone a lot more to do and requires a lot more constant communication.
It's silly to be an "armchair game designer" but these are all mechanics that exist in TDB, not asking for tons of new stuff to be introduced that would require production time. The actual balancing of all these elements would be very difficult, but that's the point: complexity, not something that feels half-baked like Scrota now.
There are obvious ways to make the current design slightly less terrible, like each person can only use sword once, etc. that would be more in line with the "random Atheon teleports" philosophy. But the current encounter is fundamentally broken, it would need to be rebuilt from the ground up.
That pre-release image of Scrota in the darkness surrounded by beady eyes was a better starting point. An enclosed arena battle with a more reasonable sized boss who doesn't insta-kill on such a tight timer but has more give and take with sword attacking, closer to a Souls boss. Needs way, way less focus on DPS gear checks, more dynamic movement, more opportunities for varied roles between teammates. Needs to actually use the "building a vocabulary" philosophy of VoG so mechanics introduced early on are combined together to test your understanding.
1.) Sword is cool but needs way more of them so other people can have fun too even if it's just controlling adds. Flying around chopping >>> standing still sniping. Timer is fine but would need to be much longer which would need to be balanced with doing much less damage per hit on Scrota.
2.) Presence of Scrota is fine, you could have dedicated healers i.e. orb generators for example. Key here is to throw this Lv33 forced under-leveling garbage out the window, it's the most critical design failure of HM CE, need way more give and take with enemies damaging you. Same as above: re-balance sword damage so having players at the same level as Scrota doesn't break the fight like now.
3.) It's dark, so use the lamps!!! Have to activate them to be able to see anything, multiple lamps required for maximum visibility: think Link to the Past final fight vs. Ganon. They're on a timer, same as abyss, but could be re-lit somehow (ideally a new mechanic, a sword ability similar to VoG relic cleanse). If they all go out it's literally pitch black: that would be fucking intense.
4.) Of course this mechanic would naturally tie in with weight of darkness mechanic. Not only would you lose visibility but also mobility if the darkness grew too strong. The lamps would light the entire arena to remove darkness (i.e. ALttP), not exactly the same as standing next to them in abyss but similar.
5.) Lamp lighting could be combined with bridge crossing. Need to kill sword bearer to access side areas where lamps are. Have to kill GKeeper to activate lamp or/and re-light a burned out lamp. Or maybe kill Shrieker to break wall to access lamp so teammates work together w/ sword crossing and shrieker blasting.
6.) Wizards form vestige pools if you don't kill them quickly enough so this would be one of those snow-ball effects. They spawn when a sword bearer dies so someone would need to take sword while one or more control wizard(s). More swords would mean more lamps and attacks at Scrota but also more wizards so it's a balancing act. Couldn't trivialize wizard spawns by not killing Boomers like now. They would have to spawn because you have to get swords.
7.) Oversoul is okay but needs to be much easier to kill so it's less of a DPS check and more so another thing to manage during the fight. Enrage should be similar to Templar and Atheon where it's still possible to finish off the boss, not the insta-wipe nonsense it is now. Maybe Ogres start spawning then but makes no sense to have perma-Oversoul, unless DPS was lowered a lot.
Multiple sword bearers so everyone can get a sword if you kill them fast enough, vestige green circles on the ground to encourage airborne sword mobility, still need to control adds but in a more free-flowing manner similar to Templar instead of Tower Boomer silliness. That gives everyone a lot more to do and requires a lot more constant communication.
It's silly to be an "armchair game designer" but these are all mechanics that exist in TDB, not asking for tons of new stuff to be introduced that would require production time. The actual balancing of all these elements would be very difficult, but that's the point: complexity, not something that feels half-baked like Scrota now.
silver.tongue
Member
Cool. Glimmer farming... GK CP... we start as we get 4.
1. silvertongueBR
2. SlenderBeans
3. Frostburn
4.
5.
6.
Come on guys... there's good glimmer to be earned.
Yeah, at first I thought they were going to announce a change in the factions loot tables.Screw adding the reputation panel. I would rather have a reason to grind for rep instead of a commendation and two ascendant energy (I got today from dead orbit)
But nope. Don't want to stress the test team too much!
So, yeah, didn't realize tomorrow is Valentine's Xur.
You know what that means, right?
Suros, because I got one this week and it's gonna be nerfed.
ReignofSparrows
Member
About to run oracles through Atheon on VoG hard. Have a spot if anyone is interested.
forza_aldi
Banned
Anyone thinking of running Crota or full CE (normal)?
Edit: sparrow, I'll take that
Edit: sparrow, I'll take that
IXIKelsonIXI
Member
Crota glitches? lol. They will fix a few, but then they will count on the new raid making us all forget the old ones and Crota will be abandoned.
To this day, Vault still has numerous bugs. Templar randomly teleporting and detaining people. Atheon portals STILL not working. Incorrect number of people being teleported. Etc. These things will never be fixed. I would imagine we will see some similar things happen with Crota.
ReignofSparrows
Member
Anyone thinking of running Crota or full CE (normal)?
Edit: sparrow, I'll take that
You're in. I have been looking for you online, hah.
Orthogonal
Member
There are obvious ways to make the current design slightly less terrible, like each person can only use sword once, etc. that would be more in line with the "random Atheon teleports" philosophy. But the current encounter is fundamentally broken, it would need to be rebuilt from the ground up.
That pre-release image of Scrota in the darkness surrounded by beady eyes was a better starting point. An enclosed arena battle with a more reasonable sized boss who doesn't insta-kill on such a tight timer but has more give and take with sword attacking, closer to a Souls boss. Needs way, way less focus on DPS gear checks, more dynamic movement, more opportunities for varied roles between teammates. Needs to actually use the "building a vocabulary" philosophy of VoG so mechanics introduced early on are combined together to test your understanding.
1.) Sword is cool but needs way more of them so other people can have fun too even if it's just controlling adds. Flying around chopping >>> standing still sniping. Timer is fine but would need to be much longer which would need to be balanced with doing much less damage per hit on Scrota.
2.) Presence of Scrota is fine, you could have dedicated healers i.e. orb generators for example. Key here is to throw this Lv33 forced under-leveling garbage out the window, it's the most critical design failure of HM CE, need way more give and take with enemies damaging you. Same as above: re-balance sword damage so having players at the same level as Scrota doesn't break the fight like now.
3.) It's dark, so use the lamps!!! Have to activate them to be able to see anything, multiple lamps required for maximum visibility: think Link to the Past final fight vs. Ganon. They're on a timer, same as abyss, but could be re-lit somehow (ideally a new mechanic, a sword ability similar to VoG relic cleanse). If they all go out it's literally pitch black: that would be fucking intense.
4.) Of course this mechanic would naturally tie in with weight of darkness mechanic. Not only would you lose visibility but also mobility if the darkness grew too strong. The lamps would light the entire arena to remove darkness (i.e. ALttP), not exactly the same as standing next to them in abyss but similar.
5.) Lamp lighting could be combined with bridge crossing. Need to kill sword bearer to access side areas where lamps are. Have to kill GKeeper to activate lamp or/and re-light a burned out lamp. Or maybe kill Shrieker to break wall to access lamp so teammates work together w/ sword crossing and shrieker blasting.
6.) Wizards form vestige pools if you don't kill them quickly enough so this would be one of those snow-ball effects. They spawn when a sword bearer dies so someone would need to take sword while one or more control wizard(s). More swords would mean more lamps and attacks at Scrota but also more wizards so it's a balancing act. Couldn't trivialize wizard spawns by not killing Boomers like now. They would have to spawn because you have to get swords.
7.) Oversoul is okay but needs to be much easier to kill so it's less of a DPS check and more so another thing to manage during the fight. Enrage should be similar to Templar and Atheon where it's still possible to finish off the boss, not the insta-wipe nonsense it is now. Maybe Ogres start spawning then but makes no sense to have perma-Oversoul, unless DPS was lowered a lot.
Multiple sword bearers so everyone can get a sword if you kill them fast enough, vestige green circles on the ground to encourage airborne sword mobility, still need to control adds but in a more free-flowing manner similar to Templar instead of Tower Boomer silliness. That gives everyone a lot more to do and requires a lot more constant communication.
It's silly to be an "armchair game designer" but these are all mechanics that exist in TDB, not asking for tons of new stuff to be introduced that would require production time. The actual balancing of all these elements would be very difficult, but that's the point: complexity, not something that feels half-baked like Scrota now.
Thanks for taking the time to lay out so many ideas. I think the best point you made was how the Raid failed to properly build up and deliver an encounter based on all the mechanics that were introduced. Makes the final battle feel very hollow.
Atheon fight was the culmination of multiple mechanics and scenarios from previous sections in one glorious battle. Crota felt like it blew its load early and coasted across the finish line.
xplicitone
Member
Xplicit pls. There was a story here about screaming squeakers... it's gone now.
Fast edit too slow for Boguester!!
Hahahaha damnit again! Wrong portal
Orthogonal
Member
Mike Works
Member
I've never glimmer farmed the gatekeeper checkpoint. Do you need to bring anything in particular?
Add me and I'll join: mikeworks
grimlock33
Member
Edit: All done. Thanks for the help gibbshift.
thanks for that first run. I felt way more comfortable at the end.
But a nerf is coming first.
I've already dismantled 2 husks, no reason to keep more than one. I'd even say there's no reason to bother with one in the first place...
silver.tongue
Member
No. It's easy.
You basically go in a clockwise circle, chaining supers (I use my super, you get my orbs and use yours, and vice versa) and killing the yellow bar ads.
Once yellow bars are dead, we wipe and repeat.
I'm booting the PS4 now.
Cool. Glimmer farming... GK CP... we start as we get 4.
1. silvertongueBR
2. SlenderBeans
3. Frostburn
4. mikeworks
5.
6.
Come on guys... there's good glimmer to be earned.
Darryl M R
Member
Can I join in on this farm? PSN: Darryl_M_R
Also, what is the fastest way to get class material, I remember someone telling me to buy the helmet from the vanguard for 250 and just dismantle them
I do wish that in both raids, the actual boss was more of a threat. Crota forms, and then just kinda hangs out pointing at us; we should be juggling mechanics established earlier in the raid while also dealing with Crota, not just his "presence".
Nice set of ideas, Boguester.
And HELL YES to the faction rep going into the UI. Been wanting that since day 1. The next update is sounding pretty great.
Orochinagis
Member
I think the only person who have fun in the crota boss is the sword bearer alone and just him, the rest of the team just DPS things or keep the boomers at bay unlike the VoG where everyone have to control the vex gates, the kamikazies harpies, killing orales or taking the shield
silver.tongue
Member
In the Bungie raid yesterday they talked about giving up whats most important to you (making a sacrifice) and that movement (weight of darkness) and health regen (presence of crota) were the first things that came to mind. If they fucked with your vision it would be insane.I'd play that. Would look forward to people doing blind crota runs too lol.