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[Hawkian]

Unless somehow you're firing at Atheon 100% of the time without having to reload

-_-

please tell me you guys have experienced how ridiculously good this weapon is for him...

 

[blazeuk]

Have we got a Swordbearer?

Not me so unless one of the others is confident with it, nope.

 

[Feorax]

Just ran an ROC strike against the Nexus.

Swordbreaker against the anti-cheese Minotaur is obscene. Felt sorry for the poor bastard.

 

[figadapaura]

I'm still living in a pre-Black Hammer world, Hawkian. :'(

 

[rNilla]

please tell me you guys have experienced how ridiculously good this weapon is for him...

But Gjallarhorn also exists and makes him move around. And I guess I'm just not a boss with 100% Black Hammer precision shots.

 

[Kor of Memory]

bastion control is my favorite combo in destiny

srs

It's okay, my wife watches real housewives of whatever... some people just have terrible opinions.

 

[Darryl M R]

So apparently next week Xur will sell St 14 helmet and the nightfall will be the one on Earth with S Prime and arc burn. Going to be easy with my black hammer, forget the burn I'm stun locking you.

 

[figadapaura]

But Gjallarhorn also exists and makes him move around. And I guess I'm just not a boss with 100% Black Hammer precision shots.

That too.

I'd be very surprised if everyone with a Black Hammer can get crits every time. Atheon is a limber prick.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

-_-

please tell me you guys have experienced how ridiculously good this weapon is for him...

True true. But the rate of fire isn't so quick and the White Nail perk doesn't require you to fire so fast that you can't just dip back real quick. The damage boost is probably going to be worth the half second of DPS you delay.

 

[Deku Tree]

Well that's always been a challenge for the FPS genre.

How do you make a boss that is challenging, takes a fair amount of time, but doesn't feel absurd.

Look at Valus. Normal size, attacks like a truck, but has the health pool larger than the southern ocean. But what can you do? You can't just decrease it, otherwise the fight will be over and he won't feel like a boss anymore. In certain situations (like Crota) you can increase their size, that makes them feel huge and thus your bullet less significant. They look like a boss, and their health reflects that now, but this only works in certain situations.

For Destiny, Vex and Hive enemies can grow in size and it's no problem, they're totally Sci-Fi, but Cabal and Fallen seem to be rooted closer to humanoid, and thus their sizes have a sort of cap to them. So creating a good Fallen or Cabal boss is hard. Sepiks works because he's inorganic, but the Archon Priest and Valus are very odd boss fights.

A step in the right direction, as I see it, is actually the Psion Flayers. Multiple strong enemies that work together and feed off each others strengths would be a great boss fight. I only wish the flayers didn't separate as much.

I've said it before, but I really hope that the final boss fight for HoW isn't one Archon, but three. A fireteam of three priests. Each with their own strengths and weaknesses.

Give one a Shrapnel Launcher, another a Wire Rifle, and another a Shock Rifle. Let the Shrapnel guy constantly try to get up close into melee range. Make the Guardians run from him. Give the Wire Rifle guy a crazy distance blink, so he is always teleporting to the far outer edges of the arena. Give the Shock Rifle guy the support role. Let him stay just behind the Shrapnel guy and fire from safety.

That, to me, would be an amazing boss fight. It's not a puzzle like Aetheon, it's not a DPS-fest like Crota, it would be an actual fire fight.

I agree that it's hard to make a boss fight in an FPS. I like your idea and I think it sounds like it could be a fantastic final Arena raid boss encounter.

 

[rNilla]

It's okay, my wife watches real housewives of whatever... some people just have terrible opinions.

I like Twilight Gap and don't like (perform poorly on) Shores of Time.

 

[Deku Tree]

Oversoul Edict eats up ammo faster than the Vex. Damn!

I run out of Ammo every time I used my Vex. I have never run out of ammo using OE.

 

[Yurikerr]

Not me so unless one of the others is confident with it, nope.

Never done it as swordbearer....

 

[figadapaura]

I like Twilight Gap and don't like (perform poorly on) Shores of Time.

I like both of those, although Twilight Gap can be annoying.

 

[Raybunny]

Anyone running crucible?

 

[Kor of Memory]

I like Twilight Gap and don't like (perform poorly on) Shores of Time.

I like Twilight Gap, but it's sightline are terrible for Fusion Rifle users. And I don't like putting away my Plan C.

 

[rNilla]

I like both of those, although Twilight Gap can be annoying.

What a prick. Oh, the map. Right.

 

[Vince DiCola]

I've been trying to think of a good or great fps boss fight and I can't.

Templar and Atheon are probably the best I can think of and that's kinda funny.

Out of the strike bosses.... I dunno, Phogoth is fun and Sepiks is cool, the Walker would be better if it moved (like the Scarab), I'm hoping for bosses that are interesting in Destiny 2.

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

Black Hammer and Ghorn are all I really want. Thunderlord I'll get it from Xur, but man.

 

[Namikaze1]

I'm not a fan of Twilight Gap.

 

[forrest]

Night fall at Valus

Forrest_Crump

*edit - And melee death while invisible 😠

 

[Hawkian]

But Gjallarhorn also exists and makes him move around. And I guess I'm just not a boss with 100% Black Hammer precision shots.

You can take your time to some degree to proc the effect, it doesn't have to be an immediate followup, and it's totally worth it.

that's sort of a funny point to me though- like, it is a challenge to land all the shots, but it's still easier for me to do that than to move around at all while damaging him and still score 100% crits with any other weapon.

we're talking about the absolute upper echelons of efficacy for this fight, anyway, I'm not really advocating anything at all. When the goal is just "win the fight," people should just use whatever the heck they feel like. Shoot him with No Land Beyond for all I care. I've been thinking about the best possible run, with the goal of "wreck the everloving shit out of him." Him moving around from early rocket shots does lower the DPS of snipers in the group. I think a great strategy if really looking to massacre him would be 6 black hammers firing on him in place until about 33%, then all jump and fire gjallys together (should die before anyone needs to reload).

 

[Twilight Gap]

Snipers Paradise

that's not skyshock

 

[Navy Bean]

I've been trying to think of a good or great fps boss fight and I can't.

Templar and Atheon are probably the best I can think of and that's kinda funny.

Out of the strike bosses.... I dunno, Phogoth is fun and Sepiks is cool, the Walker would be better if it moved (like the Scarab), I'm hoping for bosses that are interesting in Destiny 2.

Wolfenstein had some creative boss fights...although the last boss can kiss my a**.

 

[figadapaura]

Night fall at Valus

Forrest_Crump

The way I read this, it sounds like it's a party.

 

[rNilla]

we're talking about the absolute upper echelons of efficacy for this fight, anyway, I'm not really advocating anything at all. When the goal is just "win the fight," people should just use whatever the heck they feel like. Shoot him with No Land Beyond for all I care.

NO! There's only one right way to play this game and we're going to debate it right now!

I used No Land Beyond once (you were there) but I didn't get the feeling that it was appreciated...

 

[Kor of Memory]

I've been trying to think of a good or great fps boss fight and I can't.

Templar and Atheon are probably the best I can think of and that's kinda funny.

Out of the strike bosses.... I dunno, Phogoth is fun and Sepiks is cool, the Walker would be better if it moved (like the Scarab), I'm hoping for bosses that are interesting in Destiny 2.

I keep getting pulled back to the Metroid Prime series, but that series handled their bosses appropriately.

 

[Vince DiCola]

Well that's always been a challenge for the FPS genre.

How do you make a boss that is challenging, takes a fair amount of time, but doesn't feel absurd.

Look at Valus. Normal size, attacks like a truck, but has the health pool larger than the southern ocean. But what can you do? You can't just decrease it, otherwise the fight will be over and he won't feel like a boss anymore. In certain situations (like Crota) you can increase their size, that makes them feel huge and thus your bullet less significant. They look like a boss, and their health reflects that now, but this only works in certain situations.

For Destiny, Vex and Hive enemies can grow in size and it's no problem, they're totally Sci-Fi, but Cabal and Fallen seem to be rooted closer to humanoid, and thus their sizes have a sort of cap to them. So creating a good Fallen or Cabal boss is hard. Sepiks works because he's inorganic, but the Archon Priest and Valus are very odd boss fights.

A step in the right direction, as I see it, is actually the Psion Flayers. Multiple strong enemies that work together and feed off each others strengths would be a great boss fight. I only wish the flayers didn't separate as much.

I've said it before, but I really hope that the final boss fight for HoW isn't one Archon, but three. A fireteam of three priests. Each with their own strengths and weaknesses.

Give one a Shrapnel Launcher, another a Wire Rifle, and another a Shock Rifle. Let the Shrapnel guy constantly try to get up close into melee range. Make the Guardians run from him. Give the Wire Rifle guy a crazy distance blink, so he is always teleporting to the far outer edges of the arena. Give the Shock Rifle guy the support role. Let him stay just behind the Shrapnel guy and fire from safety.

That, to me, would be an amazing boss fight. It's not a puzzle like Aetheon, it's not a DPS-fest like Crota, it would be an actual fire fight.

That sounds pretty cool, reminds me of the gank squad from Dark Souls 2 dlc (Sunken King)

 

[Namikaze1]

Still no Todd sighting.

I'm afraid the Xur hype got to him.

 

[Twilight Gap]

Still no Todd sighting.

I'm afraid the Xur hype got to him.

what if he doesn't know

 

[Steroyd]

I'm not a fan of Twilight Gap.

As long as POS Striker Titans with that shitty shoulder charge aren't running rampant, I don't mind it, but fuck point B in the ear.

 

[Vince DiCola]

Wolfenstein had some creative boss fights...although the last boss can kiss my a**.

The London Monitor boss was really cool, totally forgot about that haha

 

[Hawkian]

True true. But the rate of fire isn't so quick and the White Nail perk doesn't require you to fire so fast that you can't just dip back real quick. The damage boost is probably going to be worth the half second of DPS you delay.

Hehe- I guess the real conclusion here is actually, go with what you're most confident in your ability to do in order to get the most damage on him. I was trying to say that for me, I absolutely 100% do the most damage I can to him in a phase by getting my buff, once, and then aiming and standing still and hitting crit after crit without moving my feet until it's time to leave the bubble. I've tried about fourteen million different weapons and attack styles on him at this point, and that's what works best for me (it was actually the case before Black Hammer, but White Nail reallllly formailzed it). If I move at all, beyond the DPS lost while not firing (half second would be impressive, I'd peg it at 2-3!), it takes me a moment to readjust and find the crit spot again... you may not have this issue whatsoever, so by all means embrace the re-up damage boost strategy instead.

NO! There's only one right way to play this game and we're going to debate it right now!

I used No Land Beyond once (you were there) but I didn't get the feeling that it was appreciated...

I actually noticed and withheld all of my DPS that fight intentionally, I knew you had it under control.

 

[figadapaura]

NO! There's only one right way to play this game and we're going to debate it right now!

I used No Land Beyond once (you were there) but I didn't get the feeling that it was appreciated...

It definitely wasn't.

 

[phen0m24]

NO! There's only one right way to play this game and we're going to debate it right now!

I used No Land Beyond once (you were there) but I didn't get the feeling that it was appreciated...

I don't think Atheon appreciated it all that much

AtheondyingfromNLB.gif

 

[Twilight Gap]

i don't like asylum in clash and burning shrine control is awful

 

[GlamFM]

Normal Vog anybody? I want to help a friend.

 

[Navy Bean]

what if he doesn't know

Todd knows. I assume he bought and equipped the tHoPF armor then realized his Warlock now looks like a freaky Renaissance Fair Bondage cosplayer...

 

[JerryEveryday]

I'd be down to do it. There's another member who hasn't done it as well that I said I would help. Just need someone who has done the gorgons a few times since I have no idea where I'm going in there

Awesome. I'll send you an invite when I get online.

 

[KanameYuuki]

Any of you guys interested in trying Flawless Raider? I would love to get it but getting 5 more people is so tedious.

 

[Somnium986]

The amount of people who just pass by the heavy ammo in crucible is depressing.

 

[MagnetoWasRight]

Awesome, hopefully we can get another 3 people. I don't have the Crota CP though so we'll need someone with that if you don't want to run the full raid;

1. blazeuk
2. Yurikerr
3. Ty_84
4.
5.
6.

Once we get 6 I'll send invites.

I'm up for Crota.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Well that's always been a challenge for the FPS genre.

How do you make a boss that is challenging, takes a fair amount of time, but doesn't feel absurd.

Look at Valus. Normal size, attacks like a truck, but has the health pool larger than the southern ocean. But what can you do? You can't just decrease it, otherwise the fight will be over and he won't feel like a boss anymore. In certain situations (like Crota) you can increase their size, that makes them feel huge and thus your bullet less significant. They look like a boss, and their health reflects that now, but this only works in certain situations.

For Destiny, Vex and Hive enemies can grow in size and it's no problem, they're totally Sci-Fi, but Cabal and Fallen seem to be rooted closer to humanoid, and thus their sizes have a sort of cap to them. So creating a good Fallen or Cabal boss is hard. Sepiks works because he's inorganic, but the Archon Priest and Valus are very odd boss fights.

A step in the right direction, as I see it, is actually the Psion Flayers. Multiple strong enemies that work together and feed off each others strengths would be a great boss fight. I only wish the flayers didn't separate as much.

I've said it before, but I really hope that the final boss fight for HoW isn't one Archon, but three. A fireteam of three priests. Each with their own strengths and weaknesses.

Give one a Shrapnel Launcher, another a Wire Rifle, and another a Shock Rifle. Let the Shrapnel guy constantly try to get up close into melee range. Make the Guardians run from him. Give the Wire Rifle guy a crazy distance blink, so he is always teleporting to the far outer edges of the arena. Give the Shock Rifle guy the support role. Let him stay just behind the Shrapnel guy and fire from safety.

That, to me, would be an amazing boss fight. It's not a puzzle like Aetheon, it's not a DPS-fest like Crota, it would be an actual fire fight.

Dust Palace has always been my favorite boss fight out of all the strikes. It's just different. Maybe not as grand in scale but it's interesting. If only they had different abilities.

Lately though Im appreciating phogoth more than I used to. I like flying around the arena and using the pillars as cover. It's also a lot of fun to stun lock him and even get close enough to him to try and get him to try to smash me and then get away. The rest of the strike bosses are as boring as can get though

 

[Kor of Memory]

i don't like asylum in clash and burning shrine control is awful

I like Asylum so far, but I feel like I can tell how it would easily be exploited by a group of smart people.


Burning Shrine suffers "the points aren't in a triangle/B doesn't have it's own spawn points" syndrome, and thus cannot be a good map.

 

[forrest]

The way I read this, it sounds like it's a party.

Apparently a party for masochists. Cleared this in one go on my other guardiAns. 3 failures trying to wrap up this last clear.

 

[Hawkian]

the real question is when am I getting my 5 other bladedancers to go for the Arc Blade-only atheon kill!

 

[Namikaze1]

what if he doesn't know

Oh he knows. He knows...

As long as POS Striker Titans with that shitty shoulder charge aren't running rampant, I don't mind it, but fuck point B in the ear.

Hey! I love seeing POS Striker Titans rushing towards me with their shitty shoulder charge while I'm in my bubble with shotgun in hand. It's a free kill!

 

[Hzoltan69]

Awesome, hopefully we can get another 3 people. I don't have the Crota CP though so we'll need someone with that if you don't want to run the full raid;

1. blazeuk
2. Yurikerr
3. Ty_84
4.
5.
6.

Once we get 6 I'll send invites.

I'm in if you still need someone. Let me know and I'll log on. PSN: Hzoltan969

 

[blazeuk]

I'm up for Crota.

We're at 5 so far, just need 1 more - a good swordbearer if no-one else feels confident with it. I've asked Tears but he'll be busy for an hour or so getting bounties done in crucible first.

 

[FirewalkR]

Posting for new page

1. blazeuk
2. Yurikerr
3. Ty_84
4. FirewalkR
5. Macello
6. Hzoltan969


And full.

Blaze, you'll take care of invites?