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Your next favorite weapon will require Spirit Bloom
GrandHarrier
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Just posing a question. Iron Banner made me think about it; the fact that you had to be raid geared to have the highest level in a level dependent PVP mode seemed... Odd.
Recently I've been playing with Found Verdict and, after stat normalization, turns out to be a better weapon than Invective thanks to impact and its reload speed. They both have full auto mode. Ammo is not an issue for me at least since special ammo seems to be plentiful in crucible.
In theory a higher level should give an advantage in the Iron Banner, even if that advantage seemed to be miniscule. They said they will likely change things in the future though.
Plus I'm sure some people just want to hit the max level for the sake of just getting there....I don't know....a sense of completeness. I do find it odd that there is no PvP equivalent gear, but maybe the Trials of Osiris will be the answer to that.
Seems like a good question to me. Gear doesn't even matter in crucible except perks......maybe in Iron Banner if they fix it.
GuitarAtomik
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Iron Banner
But for real, I think the power disparity between levels will be a lot larger and noticeable once IB comes back.
what system
everyday math
Banned
Oh my I hit that special chest and got a shit ton of spirit bloom.
Bless you RNGesu
Bless you RNGesu
Raid Set, because you can't equip more than one exotic at a time, and it's a reward for doing the most challenging activity. And all legendaries are lvl20 though, so yes it is different, especially since exotics are all lvl 20 also.
Ps4
It would be nice when Iron Banner pops up the dedicated Crucible player isn't at a disadvantage to a 'raider'.
However, I did go to a raid the other day (start to finish) and enjoyed myself. Unlike the other PvE, it feels well designed. So I don't mind going to the raids.
I still feel the dedicated Crucible player should get offered equipment to take them to 30. Iron Banner event was ruined by Vex mytho & L30 players.
Diablohead
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I'm wondering what they will do with the thorn, giving it more ammo and faster reload will make it one if not the best handguns to use in the crucible, it already 3 shot kills and has poison effect.
Learn2read
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I got that missive thing in the mail. Picked one of the bounties at random and later checked if there was the difference. I picked the exotic hand-cannon
Do those things only come once? Did I miss out on my exotic shotgun bounty forever?
Do those things only come once? Did I miss out on my exotic shotgun bounty forever?
For me it's the raid, sake of completion and expansion.
I feel the same way about the Mars' material.
TheTylerDurden
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Yes to the Vex but reading your second part of that sentence makes me think you didn't play it at all.
If Trials of Osiris is really a buy-in Crucible tournament that seeds players as they progress I could see it offering Raid-level gear.
They just really have to do something about quitters. IMO if you quit, you're out of the tournament. That way people won't get scared of losses and quit like they did in Iron Banner.
Assholes always find a way though. I can see them unplugging Ethernet so they can disconnect; with all the server issues this game has I'm sure they won't penalize you for connection drops.
They just really have to do something about quitters. IMO if you quit, you're out of the tournament. That way people won't get scared of losses and quit like they did in Iron Banner.
Assholes always find a way though. I can see them unplugging Ethernet so they can disconnect; with all the server issues this game has I'm sure they won't penalize you for connection drops.
TheTylerDurden
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I don't understand this logic.
Isn't the Iron Banner by it's very existence meant to be regular crucible but with gear advantages enabled?
By it's very definition then, isn't Iron Banner practically designed for the end game player who is willing to create characters with the best of everything?
Otherwise if all that isn't so, then what's the difference between IB and regular Crucible?
Not being a smart ass here, maybe it's me that isn't getting it.
I got that missive thing in the mail. Picked one of the bounties at random and later checked if there was the difference. I picked the exotic hand-cannon
Do those things only come once? Did I miss out on my exotic shotgun bounty forever?
You didn't miss out forever probably, I've gotten those like 10 times.
No they won't. Exotics are not legendaries, they cannot just be thrown away and replaced, they each have unique perks which you cannot get from any other piece of gear, they are designed to compliment a specific style of play for each of the 6 subclasses.
The Exotic Titan helm coming in the next DLC, Glasshouse (which increase the duration of Blessing and Weapons and Light, useful for a Defender Titan), has none of the perks the current Exotic Titan gear has, it's as unique as the rest of them are. It will not give the Death From Above and Headstrong perks like the Helm of Inmost Light does nor will it give Improved Transfusion, which the An Insurmountable Skullfort helmet does, making Glasshouse useless for people who specialise as Striker Titan's.
You cannot just replace one Exotic piece of gear with another, that's not how they work, you have to plan your entire build around the exotic piece you wish to wear. You like punching things as a Defender Titan? Go with No Back Up plans, do you want to have extra heavy ammo for your GH and an extra grenade? Go with The Armamentarium, do you wish your bubble shield to blind opponents who enter it? Go with the Helm of Saint-14.
Bungie are not going to limit how Titan's, or any of the other classes, play by making the current exotics obsolete. None of the upcoming exotics even have the same or more perks than the current ones, they are not meant to be replacements, they are meant to be additions, so that players are more able to specialise. What's likely to happen, is that those materials someone posted a few pages back will be added to the game, so that if Raid gear in the future is of a higher level, you can use those materials to upgrade your exotics.
Lol no it wasnt. Vex didn't ruin IB any more than it ruined normal Crucible. Being level 30 meant next to nothing.
MADGAME
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I'm not certain...the first part of my post was confirming a team for tonight, the second part was me noticing the description for the Vex Mythoclast was meant to be read in a continuous loop. Nothing too newsworthy, I just thought it was a cool detail.
I played with my normal Crucible team. I finished higher than Rank 1 on both my characters and acquired the gold shader.
L30 + Vex ==== fucking pwned
TheTylerDurden
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I was asking about the team thing.
When I get home from work I will have nothing to do so I kick myself for missing anything that might be cool/organized stuff to keep me from boredom. lol
L29 + Vex ==== fucking owned the exact same
I dont care if a L30 has 1% advantage it is still not fair to a dedicated pvper.
Sword Of Doom
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I have 0 intellect with my LV30 gear :-/ wtf bungie!!
Der Flatulator
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Think Crota's End raid gear will be +30 or +33 Light?
Djungelfrukt
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But that was the whole idea of IB?
I get his point. It's just there's no tiers for Crucible activities. There are a lot of mentions of Tournaments in Grimoire bonuses so I'd imagine they would be PvP's endgame equivalent, with loot drops appropriate to that level of play.
Picture this: a no-matchmaking Tournament with level advantages disabled (loot drops equivalent to Normal Raid after a certain number of bounty-style achievements or consecutive wins) and then another with level advantages enabled (all the way, not that IB bullshit) with tougher bounties for Hard Raid equivalent loot.
Bungie hire me.
Granted, all it took was a Vex. It just happened to be used by a L30 player
So glad Vex got nerfed into the ground. For PvE it could have remained overpowered. I am all for my fellow gaffers being OP in raids/PvE lol
FloatingDivider
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Do the above for 30 minutes to an hour while listening to a podcast you will not need spirit bloom for a good long while.
TemplaerDude
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I don't get why people keep saying this. This is a game where you want to get better and better loot and higher and higher levels. I see someone wandering around with better loot and a higher level and I want what they have. I don't think to myself "oh, phft, raid gear, I don't want that."
Every time I see that statement made in these threads I can't help but see just wilful ignorance of what kind of game this is. I'm not arguing one way or another that level 30 should be attainable only through raid gear, but this attitude and response towards people who question it should not be the final word in the argument.
I'd love to join if you find a team. Level 28 hunter who hasn't run VOG yet. (PS4)
Crimson_Gold
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At the final stage of the pocket infinity bounty, this is going to take a while... 185 kills to go
Great that makes 3 already. Anyone else in for a newbie raid run on ps4? I'll be online in a few minutes.
Amen!!!
In normal Crucible level 30 has 0% advantage over level 1 when it comes to e.g. toughness. Only stats on weapons matter to certain extent.
In IB level was advertised to matter a lot, but in the end it was just normal Crucible with fancy name and exclusive vendor with pathetic stock.
Well at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Bungie originally intended Atheon to be pure clusterfuck of fuckery with RNG mixed in. Not having him in single good place to be nuked, but instead roaming around like headless chicken starts to sound "how it's intended to be played".
Yeah but it's a pvp event. Just seems odd to host a PvP Event just so we can get raped by raiders with Vex mythos.
Yeah they nerfed the Vex which made IB playable sure. But it was too late. Was so pissed at Bungie [edit]
I was able to rape Mythoclast players in IB without sweat, but then I was level 29 during that event with that "mighty" 1% advantage over that level 4 :b
IB was heavily advertised as "End game PvP event for end game players", but yeah...
I'm pretty sure the shield was intended to work that way. When asked about the encounter, the designer only mentioned the teleport as being unintended.
I won't be home for hours anyways. It was killing me that I'd miss out on Hard Templar cheese
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Great that makes 3 already. Anyone else in for a newbie raid run on ps4? I'll be online in a few minutes.
MADGAME
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I was asking about the team thing.
When I get home from work I will have nothing to do so I kick myself for missing anything that might be cool/organized stuff to keep me from boredom. lol
Ah, gotcha. This round looks to be full if everyone make it but the Raid Train doesn't stop so there will be plenty more opportunities!
Meh, I don't think him teleporting random people is RNG. I mean I guess it technically is but I don't see how that mechanic should be grouped with the RNG of the loot system. I think the random teleports will make the fight more interesting. It's a little too rinse/repeat right now. Random teleports aren't that bad either, they just require a little extra coordination and communication since everyone can't be assigned to only ONE role anymore.
I'm pretty sure every boss roams around aside from the Vex stationary turret enemies. Dunno why thats a problem.
GuitarAtomik
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Temple of Osiris tickets are used up after 3 losses IIRC. I would say to just count disconnects as a loss, but the game disconnects me so much already that I'd be pissed if there was an actual penalty lol. At the very least, you could count manual quits as losses.
I mostly don't like it as it discourages strategy and role assignment.
1 month prior to release:
Honestly it wouldn't be that big a deal if we could change loadouts without fumbling through the menu since I might want to be one subclass or have a certain weapons on the outside than the inside.
I didn't really see the point of IB anyway. There was no overall scoreboard or anything cool like that. Just a shitty vendor selling shitty gear. It should be a bigger event with better rewards.
Something like the top whatever % of players based on whatever stats, kills, kdr, captures, whatever get an exclusive armor or weapon .....that would make me want to play it.
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