Deus Ex: Human Revolution |OT| I never asked for this... It gave me lemon-lime
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MrPing1000
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TacticalFox88 said:
No, it's very good, but lacks the scope and openworldyness of the original.
And I can't slowly crawl around the world with 2 broken legs.
thetrin said:This is not true. Damage upgrade + armor piercing oneshots anyone in the game (outside of bosses).
Seriously. I can record some gameplay for you if you'd like.
Yep.
Seriously people. 10mm + armor-piercing + silencer + laser sight + damage upgrade = best weapon in the game. You get so much ammo for it too. And you can have all those upgrades fairly early on.
TacticalFox88 said:
I wouldn't go that far, but it's definitely worthy of the franchise. I think HR bests both Mass Effect games by a good margin.
Deus Ex 1 did some things that were simply too amazing, for then, and for now.
thetrin
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I'm sure you agree with me, but I will say that this doesn't mean the game sucks. In fact, it's downright miraculous that the game is as awesome as it is.Solo said:
All part of the plan. They'll make Thief 4, and then take the shadow stealth mechanic from that and put it into their next DX game.cackhyena said:
Very disappointed in how not-so-difficult the gun play is.. Everyone keeps saying how they die so quickly, and how you have to use stealth, but do they just not hide behind cover and pop up and unload on a guy at a time? I didn't even have to spend points on the armour aug.
I'm going to have to change to the hardest mode next time I play and hope it's a little more difficult. It being so easy to take out 10 guys all in the same room shooting at me makes me feel like I'm wasting my time time even bothering trying to sneak around..
I'm going to have to change to the hardest mode next time I play and hope it's a little more difficult. It being so easy to take out 10 guys all in the same room shooting at me makes me feel like I'm wasting my time time even bothering trying to sneak around..
thetrin said:
Oh no, of course I'm not saying it sucks. Heck, I called it GOTY calibre. If not for The Witcher 2, this would likely be my GOTY.
Theres still a lot of big games to come, but I'd be shocked if my Top 3 weren't Witcher 2, HR and Skyrim.
Year of the Fuck Awesome RPG.
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The fact that you can essentially make the best weapon in the game in DETROIT is hilarious.Zeliard said:
Pretty much. I was sure Witcher 2 was going to be my GOTY, but now DXHR is totally on my radar. It's a tough choice. Both are amazing for different reasons.Solo said:
Yeah, worked for me too. Only had trouble headshotting some of the heavies.thetrin said:
Absolutely love this game. Ambitious and absolutely dripping with style thanks to some really solid creative work. The environmental design is out of this world; even the furniture is beautiful. Many of the areas in the game look like they came from cutting-edge interior design showcase instead of a game.
Already on playthrough no. 2, pacifist/no alarms. Fun, solid gameplay. Guns feel great and work how I expect them to.
Lots of folks ITT with kinda nitpicky or subjective complaints. That's cool, it's your prerogative, but I personally find little I would change with the game (the NPC model quality).
Red Blaster
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thetrin said:
In my view, the fun in stealth games is in manipulating the boundaries of the AI. Hence why I feel that MGS2 on Extreme still has the best stealth AI to date. Sadly, MGS3 and 4 dumbed things down significantly (most likely due to the series switching to outdoor stealth with a camouflage system). I never got when people would say Splinter Cell has the best stealth AI, I've always found it way too inconsistent.
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I'd agree with this. Aiming can be a pain in the ass, but I'm also used to the finesse of Halo, and can't use an iron sight to save my life (literally).Solo said:
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A lot of people are saying that because alerting an entire room to your presence and then just shooting all of them already feels like you've failed.Dipper145 said:
Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. MGS2 especially was about knowing the boundaries of your opponents, and working within those confines, and outsmarting them.Red Blaster said:
How did you guys end up spending 40+ hours on this game? I beat it in 16 and completed every sidequest I found. I feel like I did a lot of exploring as well... I missed a few sidequests according to the achievement list, but that can't account for 20+ hours. Was it playing on a harder difficulty/non-lethal?
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thetrin said:
The Witcher 2 just grabbed me in a way much like the original DX did. I hate to say things like "there is no way anything will top it for me this year" when theres still 4 months yet, but yeah....I don't know how anything could possibly top it for me this year, even with the likes of HR, Skyrim, Rage, Uncharted, etc. Its already one of my favorite games ever.
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Zeliard said:
Enemies are bullet sponges & you die within 1.5 second of sustained fire.
Games with much better A.I. & stealth design/mechanic:thetrin said:
-MGS 2-4
-Splinter Cell 1-3
-Thief 3
thetrin said:This is not true. Damage upgrade + armor piercing oneshots anyone in the game (outside of bosses).
Seriously. I can record some gameplay for you if you'd like.
I used the damage mod on a silenced armor piercing pistol just once & I still can't headshot armored enemies. I heard that each gun can be upgraded with each mod up to 4 times, so I guess that might be it.
darkpaladinmfc
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Bullet sponges? Almost all enemies in the game die to one headshot.See You Next Wednesday said:
EDIT: Hey T_T.
thetrin
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SC I definitely don't agree with. MGS 2 and Thief 3 I will agree with.See You Next Wednesday said:
MGS3 had the camo system, and MGS4 had the octocamo, which negated any reason to hide behind anything.
MGS2 still has the best stealth gameplay, imo. ;P
Also, DXHR's stealth is A LOT like MGS2's. A LOT.
thetrin said:
Haha yeah.
I feel it has to be purposeful homage to the original game. You guys remember the 10mm in Deus Ex? You essentially could do something similar there, upgrading it into a beast. In fact, if you snagged the laser sight on Liberty Island, it gave you 100% accuracy not even taking into account your Pistol skill.
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TacticalFox88 said:
in ways, yes.
original is a better rpg and has better exploration
human revolution has better mechanics (stealth/shooting)
damn that's nice
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Human Revolution is just as good as Deus Ex, maybe it's lacks the scope or size of the original, but when it is presented the way Human Revolution is it's forgivable. It's still a deeper RPG than most games this generation.
thetrin
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I forgot to add when I first quoted this, Solo, that I find it hilarious that Bioware had nothing to do with this year being fuck awesome for RPGs.Solo said:
Oh that. Oh man, I hope so, too.cackhyena said:
In fairness, the gunplay is just as horrid as every other modern FPS until you slap a laser sight on your weapon of choice so that aiming is actually what determines where your bullets land without forcing you to use iron sights like you're on the short bus. Once you do that, though, it is well and truly a Pretty Good Shooter.Zeliard said:
It still falls down in not allowing you to augment yourself to the point where you can actually take some hits, though.
heliosRAzi
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Solo loves it so much, it's affecting his posts in the OTthetrin said:
thetrin
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Dermal armor reduces damage by 45%. That's pretty major. You're still not a walking robogod, but I imagine they were trying to avoid that (which is too bad, considering the fact that WRPG players love to break games with min-maxing)Coxswain said:
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Dipper145 said:
That has more to do with the bad A.I.
Best techniques I found was to hide in a vent & just unload on their knee caps. I killed over a dozens in a room this way without ever coming close to dying.
Another great technique is to headshot one enemy with a silenced weapon, wait for the other patrolling enemiy to walk up to the corpse & repeat & until 10 guards from the room are dead in the exact same spot.
I died in combat the most from the A.I. just suicide charging into me when I'm in cover & killing me when I'm in a reloading animation.
SpartanForce
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did you guys find a arms dealer in Detroid that the husband of the woman jensen saves in the beginning from Zake tells about? never got close to find this dude.
Solo said:
Imagine how visually-awesome the Dragon Tooth would have been in HR. Haha
I do hope they bring back melee weapons in the next game. I think they can make it complementary with the energy takedowns. You have to negotiate distance a lot more with a melee weapon than with the takedowns, which you basically just hit a button and Jensen goes into an animation. So I think they both could exist. Knocking fools out with melee weapons can be a little riskier.
Coxswain said:
Certain weapons like the Revolver w/ explosive rounds don't require much in the way of fine aiming.
I've largely used the silenced 10mm, admittedly. But I was also using the shotgun for a bit and it felt pretty good.
Coxswain said:
Aren't there armor and health upgrades? I've actually ignored those entirely so far.
thetrin
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There are more than 2 in Detroit?SpartanForce said:
Zeliard said:
Yeah. Fully upgraded dermal armor mitigates 45% damage. I didn't bother with it, because getting hit meant I failed anyway.
heliosRAzi
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I found him, and then killed him.SpartanForce said:
He's in one of the apartment buildings near the basketball court. If you face the basket and backboard, the building will be on your right.
SpartanForce
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Well the only 1 that I finded was that one close to the Limb clinicthetrin said:
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There's another one in the apartments next to the basketball court. Go up the fire escape. They're on the 4th or 5th floor. That's where you get the silencer in Detroit.SpartanForce said:
Oh, that was him? It seemed kinda weird that she'd be married to some thug selling weapons out of an empty apartment.heliosRAzi said:
45% isn't shit considering how quickly you go down under fire. It basically means the difference between living for 1.5~2 seconds and 2.5~3 - you're going to have to be a cover humper no matter how you do it.thetrin said:
What they should have done is made dermal armour an active ability that is twice as effective - 90% damage reduction sounds ridiculous, but you'd still have to be a pretty crack shot to take out a room full of dudes in the ten seconds or so that would give you - with a medium drain on the battery. They also could have allowed you to upgrade your health regenerator in a number of different ways (no delay before regen kicks in would be fine, considering that it's a slow regen to begin with, they could up the regeneration speed too, and they could let you upgrade it so that your implant will take you up past 100 health).
That would A) Put in more worthwhile augs to spend points on, so not every single player ends up with every single stealth and exploration aug, and B) Let you become as good of a Terminator with combat augs as you can become Grey Fox with stealth augs.
Yeah, if i wasn't playing the pacifist role, i would have straight up murdered that arms dealer in the apartment. I knocked him out and dragged him in the same room his sleeping girlfriend was in. She looked kinda whore ish so I put a tranq in her ass and tried to take whatever I could off of her. She had nothing. She gets it too in my next play through. Everyone will feel my needless wrath.
I did find it funny that the guy is ready to deal me up some new arms next time i came around when back in Detroit.
I did find it funny that the guy is ready to deal me up some new arms next time i came around when back in Detroit.
heliosRAzi
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thetrin said:
I thought she married the janitor at the plant?
The janitor just knows the arms dealer.
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Cardigan said:
Did you hack every terminal, read every message & eBook, stayed to hear every NPC conversation. Backtracked to find every hidden item. Doubled backed in an area to see if the alternative route had anything interesting? Completed all the side missions sub-quests.
There's a ton of RPG time wasting elements in this game that can easily double your play time.
Cardigan said:
OUTSIDE of headshots on non-armored enemies, which really isn't that feasible during combat when you have to pop up & line up a shot on a strafing target.
I have to upload A LOT more damage on enemies to take one enemy down then they do to me.
Also aiming down the sights doesn't even seem to reduce recoil from just aiming with a laser sight, which seems just stupid.