Yeah I did the ID for the old man and the objective marker is now pointing me towards the cop. Can I not just deliver the ID and finish the side mission?
It just tells me to deal with him.
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It just tells me to deal with him.
Unknown Soldier
Member
All of this is explained if you talk to that NPC and successfully use CASIE to make him spill the beans.
There's a lot more going on than you get if all you do is confront and kill her. This is a case where the truth literally dies when she does.
This game in general rewards you for not killing quest NPCs, you never get the whole story unless they are alive.
There's a lot more going on than you get if all you do is confront and kill her. This is a case where the truth literally dies when she does.
This game in general rewards you for not killing quest NPCs, you never get the whole story unless they are alive.
EmCeeGramr
Member
You already gave the man the ID, it just activated it remotely from the station.
The cop is actually a fraud who's scamming people, not a real cop. The forger needs him to be gone in order to be safe. You can knock him out nonlethally or ask a certain cop to arrest him, in which case he'll get gunned down and it won't count as your kill I'm pretty sure.
The cop is actually a fraud who's scamming people, not a real cop. The forger needs him to be gone in order to be safe. You can knock him out nonlethally or ask a certain cop to arrest him, in which case he'll get gunned down and it won't count as your kill I'm pretty sure.
SJRB
Gold Member
Well yeah sure, but I didn't kill her, I knocked her out. Then took the pocket secretary with the info about the guy.
Montag even comments that the only reason he's letting me go to pursue the lead is because I didn't kill her. After Jensen explains that someone else is behind this, Montag is still somewhat unconvinced, comments that he's not sure what's worse - Jensen being the murderer or a global medical company being behind this because of some experimental tech.
From both a logic and narrative standpoint there's no reason I can't still follow up on that lead other than the mission's structure dictates that it's over.
From both a logic and narrative standpoint there's no reason I can't still follow up on that lead other than the mission's structure dictates that it's over.
It just feels like restrictive and somewhat archaic game design.
EmCeeGramr
Member
If you look around her apartment when it's ransacked you'll find a lot of clues heavily pointing out that she's the culprit: a ranting diary, a book about Dr. Cipra, the other half of the glasses found at the first crime scene, her bear rug which obviously has bear hair like in the Harvester case file at the police station, an eBook written by Angela Gunn about the first Harvester, and a pack of the syringes used to drug the victims. It also explains why she has a telescope pointed at Adam's apartment, and I even want to say the collar on the cat statue implies that her cat was never real.
Oh, and there's an email in the small police station (same place you get the file) from the start of the game where she complains about a man constantly following her from the shadows wherever she goes, which hints she's not well.
Oh, and there's an email in the small police station (same place you get the file) from the start of the game where she complains about a man constantly following her from the shadows wherever she goes, which hints she's not well.
Both of the quests are really big. I never realized that
the Radko Perry path existed for the first murder
a way to exonerate Johnny without using CASIE to get him to open up about his hands.
CaptainofIndustry
Member
On PS4, is there a way to tell how many hours I've played the game.
Also, about how far am I into the game?
I just met
Also, about how far am I into the game?
I just met
Rucker and returned to Prague.
Gozer the Gozerian
Member
Something I don't think MD or HR have quite nailed is the style of mission I love the most in "these games" (Deus Ex, Thief, maybe Dishonored), where the map is a big building in an open courtyard, and you can infiltrate from any number of main entrances, side entrances, the roof, basement, other small buildings on the property, etc. I just played through the Templar cathedral level in Deus Ex again (I think the X-51 level after this is another good example iirc), where I popped in through a side entrance, climbed a tower, took the archway across to the adjacent building, hopped down to the roof and entered a library through the window, so on and so forth. There must've been a bare minimum of half a dozen ways in.
Mission design in HR and MD is almost exclusively a linear series of large interiors. Within each of those interiors is a number of rooms and floors you can approach freely, but then each of those interiors is connected by no more than one or two paths, usually one path being a vent shaft. I suppose the closest they've come to this design is the theater, but even that felt limited in the actual number of ways you could get in. Man just imagine the Palisade Bank with that kinda design and freedom of approach from the outside.
Last Harvest SM spoilers
It felt kinda cheap and not very Deus Ex-like for me not to be able react to that finding any maybe end the quest early.
Mission design in HR and MD is almost exclusively a linear series of large interiors. Within each of those interiors is a number of rooms and floors you can approach freely, but then each of those interiors is connected by no more than one or two paths, usually one path being a vent shaft. I suppose the closest they've come to this design is the theater, but even that felt limited in the actual number of ways you could get in. Man just imagine the Palisade Bank with that kinda design and freedom of approach from the outside.
Last Harvest SM spoilers
I was extremely disappointed when I broke into Daria's apartment after speaking to her and investigating the crime scene in the initial Harvester side mission. Among every other weird suspicious thing in her apartment I came across the bear rug in her bedroom, right after finding bear hair at the crime scene, or reading about in the prior harvester case, whatever it was. I immediately put two and two together but I couldn't confront her or bring her up as a possible suspect with the detective. Instead I had to wait until the end of the game for another sidequest to pop up to resolve it all. :/
Yep, I made the right choice in GARM.
After reading your post I just went back in to do it and
still no Foxiest trophy - I double checked the menu and no alarm tutorial in there. I was REALLY careful throughout the run because I remember doing my Foxiest/Pacifist run in Human Revolution and the effort that took, so honestly I can't figure out where I went wrong here.
When you say if any guard is still up - does this include all the ones on the way to the delegates? Grabbing the killswitch wasn't a problem because I'd taken out all the guards before Miller's room non-lethally already anyway. When should Foxiest pop btw? As soon as Marchenko is down or when the credits roll?
I'm going to go to a pre-decision save and run straight to Marchenko, see if that makes a difference of some sort. Or maybe just try killing him quickly without being spotted.
When you say if any guard is still up - does this include all the ones on the way to the delegates? Grabbing the killswitch wasn't a problem because I'd taken out all the guards before Miller's room non-lethally already anyway. When should Foxiest pop btw? As soon as Marchenko is down or when the credits roll?
I'm going to go to a pre-decision save and run straight to Marchenko, see if that makes a difference of some sort. Or maybe just try killing him quickly without being spotted.
I'd say bank, probably because you can just run through the church after the fact anyways. The extra plot stuff with the bank is something I don't think you can get to without doing the mission. I haven't started a second run to do the church though, so I might just be talking out of my butt on that one with church having extra plot goodies stashed in there that I missed out on.
Also, I'm pretty sure no one who played DX1 went after the church lol >.>
Save some rando civy or dig into Bob Page's dirty little secrets? Yeah, that's a hard choice
d00d3n
Member
Thanks
FoxnHurley
Member
Just keep playing the game. You'll get an opportunity to help the other person during another side mission, provided that you didn't encounter them already in Golem City. I didn't get to that mission until after I had visited Golem City, and was still able to help the both of them in Prague.
Thanks for that tidbit of wisdom. I'll refrain from doing that
SJRB
Gold Member
Can anyone give me a hint as to how far I am from the ending? I wanna finish the rest in one go, not sure if I can make it right now.
I'm in
.
It feels like endgame territory, but I'm not sure.
I'm in
London, the current secondary objective is to take out the 11 enemy soldiers at the party
It feels like endgame territory, but I'm not sure.
Crazymoogle
Member
Yes, you're close...
AsfaeksBR
Member
It's definitely weird here. I knocked out some cops, nonlethal, in one mission and the newspapers were talking about a massacre at the scene and multiple characters scolded me for my savage attack on police. I got the pacifist trophy in the end.
Still on my first playthrough, having finished mission 12. I just love this game (and HR) before it. Something about the DE universe is just really captivating to me and I love spending hours mucking about and exploring different ways to sneak about. Trying to get all of the trophies as I go and it's the kind of game where I don't feel like I'm in any rush. I do hope that the talk of disappointing sales doesn't affect the prospect of a third game.
Around halfway or so.
tearsintherain
Member
Unfortunately i think you might be completely screwed, some people have said failing any safe/door hack will disable foxiest, and while I thought I failed a few hacks in my run (which got foxiest) I am not unfortunately 100% sure.
The trophy does not pop up until halfway through the credits or until the credits finish either, so its a real pisser.
TBH I wouldn't even bother, even if you get all the other trophies the breach trophies are really miserable and not worth pursuing. I finished tier 1 breach trophy, and then I realized tier 2 would take me 30 servers to clear and who knows how many servers in tier 3, and 50+ levels of a game mode I just hate was not my idea of fun. If they had made the breach trophy just clear tier 1 and get to tier 3 that would have been ok, but they made it clear EVERY (non dark net) server in tiers 1, 2, and 3.
Yup, you can set it to non-lethal so that it shoots gas puff things instead, but it's a permanent change.
Cheers guys!Just keep playing the game. You'll get an opportunity to help the other person during another side mission, provided that you didn't encounter them already in Golem City. I didn't get to that mission until after I had visited Golem City, and was still able to help the both of them in Prague.
Thanks for that tidbit of wisdom. I'll refrain from doing that
I'm gonna do another couple of runs anyway. I did fail some hacks so that could potentially be it, but they were in areas like... apartment buildings with no one in them, so I was sure that'd be fine. I've seen people complaining about the Breach trophies - I haven't tried it yet but I want Foxiest regardless, I'm determined XD.
Been sick for the whole weekend and thus finally had the time to go through breach mode to get that platinum. And dear god, breach mode is probably one of the worst additional game modes ever. It's basically MGS VR missions, but with less variety, worse level and game design and clearly just exists for microtransactions. It's absolutely no fun to play, but at least it's not very difficult.
Is anyone else finding the most difficult thing about the hardest difficulty the bugs? Not only the crashes that put you back if you dont regularly save (Which is easily forgettable with no quicksave) but the bugs that give you input lag on movement causing you to jump or climb when you dont mean, or stay into a console you are hacking not allowing you to disconnect. Ive lost two big campaigns because of things entirely out of my control so far.
SJRB
Gold Member
Good lord, finally finished the game. That ending was... yeah.
I feel extremely conficted about the game. The highs are high, but the lows are very low. I'll post my thoughts in the spoiler thread at some point, I guess.
Also - longest credits in history? This is literally the fourth time I'm hearing this absurd hardrock track, but I'm too afraid to drop the headphones in case they throw in another random cutscene out of nowhere.
So to the people who haven't finished: don't walk away when the credits start rolling.
I feel extremely conficted about the game. The highs are high, but the lows are very low. I'll post my thoughts in the spoiler thread at some point, I guess.
Also - longest credits in history? This is literally the fourth time I'm hearing this absurd hardrock track, but I'm too afraid to drop the headphones in case they throw in another random cutscene out of nowhere.
So to the people who haven't finished: don't walk away when the credits start rolling.
SJRB
Gold Member
That was so poorly done. "Here's a montage of all your accomplishments".
How can
the bomb maker being arrested
FoxnHurley
Member
LOL @ the non-lethal approach to the
There was an vent nearby, so I waited in there until he passed by, zapped him with the stun gun, and took him out with a sucker punch. Literally took me a minute.
Lordy, that stun gun comes in handy. Ha ha. Still prefer the tranquilizer rifle because it doesn't attract any attention when you shoot if there are other patrolling soldiers nearby.
Marchenko fight
Lordy, that stun gun comes in handy. Ha ha. Still prefer the tranquilizer rifle because it doesn't attract any attention when you shoot if there are other patrolling soldiers nearby.
So, i just got back from
City, completed a few side-missions, and exiting Task Force building, there suddenly
. Is there something I'm missing there? Is that a mission? or just some random event?
Golem
an explosion. I went there and there's nothing but a building on fire, but i can do nothing. If I open the storage sites next to the building the cops came down on me hard
Regginator
Member
Yes, it's main mission related.
SJRB
Gold Member
It's tied to a mission, take a good look at what building exploded and how it relates to your current main objective.
broncobuster
Banned
I have to get over my compulsion to fully explore a level when I've already reached my objective.
Oh i see. Thanks guys, i looked around but found nothing and then went to complete another side mission. I will go back and look around again
Conscience Falls
Member
Welp, wrapped the game and got my pacifist achievement but not Foxiest of the Hounds. Never set off any alarms/failed hacks/alerted enemies.
Regardless, tied with Overwatch for my GOTY. Hoping more people will pick it up in the coming months, the team at Eidos certainly deserves it.
Regardless, tied with Overwatch for my GOTY. Hoping more people will pick it up in the coming months, the team at Eidos certainly deserves it.
EmCeeGramr
Member
You can either take a look at the building and connect the dots to something you were told in TF29, or
there's a hobo who you can bribe or convince to tell you about what he saw.
I feel like wires got crossed somewhere in Eidos Montreal, where the designers wanted to make Mankind Divided have less "did you kill people or not" and more "did you get spotted and start a ruckus," but the writers still wrote dialogue concerning lethality, and the end result is the game doing that sometimes.
kutthoat5150
Member
Finished the game and had a shit ton of money left over. I wish there were more ways to use your money for those taking the stealth approach and don't want to buy a lot of weapons. Also, the soundtrack wasn't as memorable as HR. And what was up with that credits theme?
electroflame
Member
Just finished it, still have Desperate Measures to do, but that's for another day.
Initially, I really liked it. Like, really, really liked it. But the farther in I got, the more apparent the flaws were, and by the end I just wanted it to be over with. The sidequests were great, but there was far too much backtracking/train rides for my tastes (even on an SSD, the load times were way too long).
The ending wasn't terrible but it was kind of a slap in the face. Then, having 20+ minute unskippable credits was pretty crappy as well.
And at the end of it, still didn't get Foxiest. I was super sure that I didn't trigger any alarms (never got the tutorial popup, etc.) never failed a hack or anything like that. I even reloaded whenever I triggered a car alarm -- no dice.
Oh well. Overall, I enjoyed it. 7.5/10, easily. The pacing could've used some work, and the obvious cut-content/pre-order and/or DLC augs/microtransaction BS is a pretty big downer, but it didn't detract too much. I don't regret the ~$45 I paid, but I'm left with a feeling of vague disappointment. What we got wasn't bad at all, but what we could've had without Square-Enix's meddling/chopping up could've been amazing.
Initially, I really liked it. Like, really, really liked it. But the farther in I got, the more apparent the flaws were, and by the end I just wanted it to be over with. The sidequests were great, but there was far too much backtracking/train rides for my tastes (even on an SSD, the load times were way too long).
The ending wasn't terrible but it was kind of a slap in the face. Then, having 20+ minute unskippable credits was pretty crappy as well.
And at the end of it, still didn't get Foxiest. I was super sure that I didn't trigger any alarms (never got the tutorial popup, etc.) never failed a hack or anything like that. I even reloaded whenever I triggered a car alarm -- no dice.
Oh well. Overall, I enjoyed it. 7.5/10, easily. The pacing could've used some work, and the obvious cut-content/pre-order and/or DLC augs/microtransaction BS is a pretty big downer, but it didn't detract too much. I don't regret the ~$45 I paid, but I'm left with a feeling of vague disappointment. What we got wasn't bad at all, but what we could've had without Square-Enix's meddling/chopping up could've been amazing.
Ultimadrago
Member
Please tell me you're only forced to go through
one time. Ugh.
Having never seen Breach before, I thought that portion was a sample of the mode or something.
Miller's chair
Having never seen Breach before, I thought that portion was a sample of the mode or something.
tearsintherain
Member
About 4 hours without side missions, maybe 7 hours with.
Not sure what you mean by the spoiler part, clearing out all hostile NPCs in Prague-3 will definitely lose you some achievements like Foxiest and probably Pacifist. I killed or stunned everyone on my first play through but it was really unnecessary, on my second pacifist / foxiest run I rarely attacked (pacified) anyone, in fact I think I might have pretty much attacked nobody until the very last mission.
You can really ghost through the entire game and its actually kinda fun trying to figure out ways to get past stuff without leaving any trace at all. Some of the cut scenes change as well if you completely ghost a mission.
NullPointer
Member
A little disappointed with how a side quest involving a murder in an alleyway is playing out so far.
Also, all these side missions that make you bounce from one district to the next and back and forth again through metro stations and the same old train ride video is getting very old.
I totally know who the killer is (did a little basic extra curricular investigating on a certain cat afficionado and found all kinds of evidence), but the game doesn't allow you to solve it. For a game that lets you go off the reservation and find stuff it sucks I have to wait until some point later to get the chance to progress it.
Also, all these side missions that make you bounce from one district to the next and back and forth again through metro stations and the same old train ride video is getting very old.
illusionary
Member
You could try the Deus Ex Universe mobile app. Be warned that it appears to report stats across all saves taken together and there are a few factors suggesting that it's not wholly reliable, but it includes stats for both kills and alarms.
I'm not yet fully through the game so can't yet offer personal experience on its reliability for trophies/achievements, but while I was expecting that somehow I'd have messed up on Foxiest, I was somewhat taken aback to see about 110 alarms in my stats, even if that's over all 13 save files. No kills yet reported though, at least.
Kevin Shields
Member
So if I just got back to
raining prague and talked to miller and vega
Gozer the Gozerian
Member
This exact thing happened to me and yah it sucks. Deus Ex is usually good at rewarding that kind of stuff.
NullPointer
Member
Its the second thing that's bugged me about that side mission so far - the other being
that I couldn't sneak into Mr. Gunn's apartment. I tried with stealth steps and invisibility and he always knows you're there. It doesn't matter really, but I always like to hack and look around before walking into conversations if possible, in case it becomes high stakes.
I think, in games like this that feel so open ended, any cheating or violation of the rules stands out like a sore thumb. Such as
previous missions with seemingly unavoidable alert states, even when you perfect stealth them - a big one being escaping the drones after having a conversation with Janus.
Small things, but they feel unfair, and add up.
Otherwise its been a decent romp so far. Not quite exciting and not all that daring, but patience and observation usually pays off, so you can fulfill your sneaky stealth cyberpunk badassery here.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Huh, that's odd.
I never saw a need to sneak into that apartment. You can look around his stuff all you want before talking to him, and it's not like's aggressive at all.
As for the drones, I figured out that it was seemingly one drone hearing me as I fell down the hole, because I've managed to slip past without an alert. I can't think of any other stages with unavoidable alerts.
As for the drones, I figured out that it was seemingly one drone hearing me as I fell down the hole, because I've managed to slip past without an alert. I can't think of any other stages with unavoidable alerts.
NullPointer
Member
How did you know in advance
there would be no need? There certainly wasn't for sure, but I like stealth games for super cautious play and exploration, so its kind of a habit of mine, and the game does a great job of it most of the time.
As for the
drones, I kept reloading my saves, trying to stealth by them, and reloading and reloading, trying to nail the drop down the hole from that first area to the sewers. Made sure they didn't spot me as I approached the hole in the floor, went cloaked, and turned on my silent feet, and even did two small drops rather than one, and when I got to the bottom they were still in regular explore mode, but a second or two later that got updated to a full alert - out of line of sight of all enemies (the above drones had no line of sight, and the next area drones were still down a bendy hallway) - I guess to make the following section in the sewer have some more tension to it.
Got spotted through dark-paneled glass when hacking a terminal in one of the bank's offices, and also got that you're-being-spotted half-circle while in a completely enclosed vent at the church of the machine god (the long vent on the second or third floor with the gas mines). Made zero sense.
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