adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, apparently it was given out on Games w/ Gold some time ago, looks like I missed it
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Developers on why Indiana Jones is First Person: "First-person gameplay is part of MachineGames’ DNA"
Yeah, apparently it was given out on Games w/ Gold some time ago, looks like I missed it
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
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Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah....you keep quoting that part and ignoring the context of what he said. I explained it and you ignored that too.
No idea what you are even talking about here.
ManaByte
Banned
Tell us you never played Riddick or The Darkness without telling us you never played Riddick or The Darkness.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
It was one of the first delisted games that started triggering alarm bells. I had it on my wishlist.Yeah, apparently it was given out on Games w/ Gold some time ago, looks like I missed it
SirTerry-T
Member
I bet you suck more.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
I've played both. You have no idea what you're talking about. If you knew me and from my post history, you'd know I'm a huge defender of first person, and immersive sims are my favorite genre of all time. Indie just aint it unless it has the features I mentioned in my previous post. Riddick was a product of its time. It has not aged well unlike other first peron games. I tried replaying it. I just couldnt.
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digoutyoursoul
Member
I wish Xbox had a naughty dog type studio. much easier said than done of course.
Xaeroxcore666
Member
If they are taking the Riddick route, interesting results can be achieved and even a future cult game. If they try to turn it into a Wolfenstein, here comes another potencial fiasco. I like the first person focus, but i hope they come up with something really engaging gamplay wise.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Y’all need Breakdown in your hearts.
VulcanRaven
Member
These kind of actions scenes would look much better in 3rd person:
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Do you?
Come one, man, let's not be disingenuous. You only now "love" it because you don't have any option. You, too, wanted Indiana Jones to be third-person and were arguing with others who thought it was going to be a first-person game.
Now you're trying to be negative towards people who are disappointed that it is indeed a first-person game? Why? Just because they are not faking to be in "love" that this game is in first person?
Lol.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If they make an Uncharted clone, it'll be perceived as a lesser game because the developer isn't 'Naughty Dogs caliber'.
If they do not follow the Uncharted template, it'll be disappointing because they didn't follow the Uncharted template.
The context is crystal clear, what I don't understand why you're batting in its defense this much.
In other places, at least you've said that you're going to give the game a shake and see if it turns out to be good, which is more than the posts we quoted have done, it has already outright dismissed the game as a disappointment no matter what the developer would have done.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I bet that would look pretty cool in first person as well.These kind of actions scenes would look much better in 3rd person:
Did no one here play Red Dead Redemption 2 in first person?
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digoutyoursoul
Member
Is that what the kids are smoking these days?
starfire1978
Neo Member
I think the whole thing shown will be just FUN./i.s3.glbimg.com/v1/AUTH_08fbf48bc0524877943fe86e43087e7a/internal_photos/bs/2024/7/w/BfFglRTiqUSYN8q6kj6w/imagem-2024-01-18-183933778.png)
In an interview published on the Lucasfilm website, MachineGames game director Jerk Gustafsson was asked if the developers tried third-person during development.
Gustafsson explained.
Via IGN
DeepSpace5D
Member
First-person games were also the DNA of Guerrilla Games, but they successfully pulled off the switch to third-person.
I’m sure it’s not an easy thing to do as a studio when you are used to making one perspective of game for a long time, but it can be done.
Arkane is going third-person for Blade after making first-person games for a long time with the Dishonored series and Deathloop. If I had to guess why, I would imagine part of that has to do with a heavy emphasis on melee combat, which rarely translates to a good feel in the first-person perspective.
Which brings me to my point about Indiana Jones. A heavy emphasis on melee combat with the whip and punches, to me, just seems like it would be way more fun to play in the third-person perspective. Third person games are where melee combat shines generally.
With that being said, I actually wasn’t aware of the pedigree of this studio and their history with the Riddick games and The Darkness until I read it yesterday from some comments here on Gaf. I really like both of those series, so I think this game is in good hands.
I’m sure it’s not an easy thing to do as a studio when you are used to making one perspective of game for a long time, but it can be done.
Arkane is going third-person for Blade after making first-person games for a long time with the Dishonored series and Deathloop. If I had to guess why, I would imagine part of that has to do with a heavy emphasis on melee combat, which rarely translates to a good feel in the first-person perspective.
Which brings me to my point about Indiana Jones. A heavy emphasis on melee combat with the whip and punches, to me, just seems like it would be way more fun to play in the third-person perspective. Third person games are where melee combat shines generally.
With that being said, I actually wasn’t aware of the pedigree of this studio and their history with the Riddick games and The Darkness until I read it yesterday from some comments here on Gaf. I really like both of those series, so I think this game is in good hands.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Oh I dont have to imagine, i played MGS1 and MGS2. RE2, RE3. These games were straight up unplayable in the isometric/fixed cam view and we went to over the shoulder to give us that increased control.
And I grew up on Socom my man. I still to this day prefer it over CoD. Hell, CoD actually added third person view in some lobbies last year and it was a huge success. I actually think a lot of CoD issues in recent years such as people spawning behind them would be solved if they moved to third person. You would have far more spacial awareness.
Fortnite's success (i believe it recently passed more concurrent players than CoD, GTA and all other F2P games combined) proves that people dont really mind third person views in competitive shooters.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Also a reminder that this atrocity is MachineGames last game
Calverz
Member
Well when you are a prime member of the avengers, nobody will take you seriously.
Nothing I said was controversial. It was only logical. Folks just had to give it a negative spin.
NuclearDiarrhea
Member
Well, at least MachineGames copied Naughty Dog's formula of spewing out nothing but the same IP and gameplay for the last decade, so at least they got some inspiration from them.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The official website is up with some information.
- Single player only
- Globe trotting adventure
- Mixture of linear + open zones
- Whip is not just a weapon but also a traversal tool
- Set between Raiders and Last Crusade
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle
Uncover one of history’s greatest mysteries in Indiana Jones and the Great Circle™, a first-person, single-player adventure set between the events of Raiders of the Lost Ark™ and The Last Crusade™. The year is 1937, sinister forces are scouring the globe for the secret to an ancient power...
indianajones.bethesda.net
- Single player only
- Globe trotting adventure
- Mixture of linear + open zones
- Whip is not just a weapon but also a traversal tool
- Set between Raiders and Last Crusade
Source?
If you’d bothered to read the article in the OP, you’d see the developers acknowledge that Indiana is only human, albeit an extremely agile and resourceful one. None of that superhuman stuff.
Doesn’t really make sense to compare to Kratos, does it?
now compare this to Avowed's combat and see how limiting it is. First person view limits everything from movesets to movements and abilities. It works perfectly fine for basic first person multiplayer games like CoD and battlefield, but I wouldnt want first person limiting core features in action adventure games that are supposed to do far more than shooting.
You will note that Avowed is an RPG, and combat is somewhat slower paced. Tens of millions of people bought and played Skyrim with first person combat.
Again, you’ll need to think again on the genre of the Indiana Jones game, and the abilities of the titular character you play as.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Again, you misunderstand.
First of all, that post was in favor of Machine Games. They seemed to be in a tough position, i.e., they would be in trouble regardless of what they did. That's what I acknowledged. You think it was against them, but I was feeling for the devs and studio. Try reading that post again in this context.
Second, my hope/wish was that they would make a AAA next-gen game that would be better than Naughty Dog's 9-year-old game. Very few studios can beat Naughty Dog head-on, but first-party studios can certainly beat Naughty Dog's 9-year-old game. Indiana Jones can still do that when it releases. But (because of my personal preferences for 3rd person games), I was hoping MG would do that by making Indy as a 3P game.
Third, nobody has dismissed Indiana Jones. If the game releases in good condition and the reviews are good, I promise you that I'll definitely play the game. Why won't I.
Portugeezer
Member
The game looked great, but being first person is dumb.
Either way, that won't be much of an issue.
Either way, that won't be much of an issue.
HeWhoWalks
Member
all the apparent jank makes it clear that this was the wrong studio to tackle this.
at least have them get support, you have like 100k devs, geez.
first person looks completely out of place,
whatever parts they showed in 3rd person is uncanny canyon levels bad.
hopefully some good story in there, but that also seems up in the air with all the purple hairs in the interviews.
at least have them get support, you have like 100k devs, geez.
first person looks completely out of place,
whatever parts they showed in 3rd person is uncanny canyon levels bad.
hopefully some good story in there, but that also seems up in the air with all the purple hairs in the interviews.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Ask your mom for verification. I’ve sucked those fun bags damn near dry of all calcium.
digoutyoursoul
Member
It’s why I don’t like Bethesda in general , I’ve tried to like their stuff but it’s has this archaic jank quality I find off putting. I don’t like Howard either, strikes me as a bit phoney and it’s just my luck he teams up with another phoney in Spencer .
Their RPGs just remind me how I miss a on form BioWare
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SirTerry-T
Member
All this crying just because you won't be able to stare at Indy's digital arse all the time...
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I will loan you my Xbox
Ask your mom for verification. I’ve sucked those fun bags damn near dry of all calcium.
You sucked his mom's balls?
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FrankWza
Member
It was brought up in every thread about this game including the ones about exclusivity.
VulcanRaven
Member
It could but I like to see the character doing it. You could see Indy struggling and see his facial expressions.
SirTerry-T
Member
That would be pretty difficult given her current state but I appreciate the thoughtAsk your mom for verification. I’ve sucked those fun bags damn near dry of all calcium.
XDo you?
Come one, man, let's not be disingenuous. You only now "love" it because you don't have any option. You, too, wanted Indiana Jones to be third-person and were arguing with others who thought it was going to be a first-person game.
Now you're trying to be negative towards people who are disappointed that it is indeed a first-person game? Why? Just because they are not faking to be in "love" that this game is in first person?
Lol.
I certainly didn’t hide it at all that I would have preferred it in third person. At all.
I also made a point that you cannot make a call on the perspective of a new game just by looking at the past history of the developers.
Not sure How you can read “Not necessarily a safe assumption” and translate that to complete rejection of a first person perspective. But it seems warz tends to interfere with comprehension.
You know what changed? They showed gameplay that I found really resonated with me, I realized it had similarities with the Riddick game I played and loved, and I listened to the developers explain why they went with first person for immersion.
Sucks for you that you’re unable to show where I complained about the perspective after they showed the gameplay
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Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
When have balls ever been referred to fun bags? That’s always been for tiddies exclusively.I will loan you my Xbox
You sucked his mom's balls?
Also, did you just assume his moms gender!?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The trailer already showed the camera pulling back for a full third person view in canned animation sequences, similar to how the Riddick games did it. (games as in Butcher Bay and Dark Athena)
You're gonna see Indy a lot, there's no doubt about that.
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Topher
Identifies as young
I don't have to fully agree with
Heisenberg007
to understand what he is saying that the dev is in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Factually, this game will be compared to its spiritual predeccesors and that is not an easy task. You highlighted this post as some kind of gotcha and it just isn't that at all. So if you want to call that "battling" then have at it. If the game turns out to be great then
Heisenberg007
will be proven wrong so I hope he is. That doesn't negate his point.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Klayzer
Member
Busted.Do you?
Come one, man, let's not be disingenuous. You only now "love" it because you don't have any option. You, too, wanted Indiana Jones to be third-person and were arguing with others who thought it was going to be a first-person game.
Now you're trying to be negative towards people who are disappointed that it is indeed a first-person game? Why? Just because they are not faking to be in "love" that this game is in first person?
Lol.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
damn some people going mad defending or attacking this decision 
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i guess this is better than talking about acquisition or MS going third party.
.i guess this is better than talking about acquisition or MS going third party.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Arkane has only made First Person Games. Better games than Machine Games. "It's part of their DNA". Yet they were smart enough to know a game based on a popular character IP like Blade should be third person.
TheShocker
Member
Anyone bitching about it being first-person can suck it.
I originally felt like the game needed to be 3rd person. But after looking back at MachineGames history, I felt 1st was the way to go.
I originally felt like the game needed to be 3rd person. But after looking back at MachineGames history, I felt 1st was the way to go.
Topher
Identifies as young
Hell....we even had a damn poll on it and 83% said the game would be third person. But now we have a narrative from some here that everyone changed their story since yesterday.
Rumor - Insider-Gaming — Indiana Jones Game is Releasing in 2024
No. It doesn’t read like that at all. Yep, Shinobi's response reads like he's saying that the game being revealed at this time with a 10 min presentation is not surprising as it is far along. Amazing news!
Null Persp
Member
This first person controversy is very stupid, you all need to stop.
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FrankWza
Member
Look at the post above yours. It's not controversy it's selective amnesia.
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