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Devil May Cry 4 |OT| of daring to defy your savior
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DantesWrath said:
You don't mean that part about no longer being a DMC fan. I agree with some of your statements, but i sort of disagree with most of them. I think Nero is a good character and i'd like to see him come back. Though i agree that the story was disappointing. I was hoping they would move past the Human abusing demonic power plot. Since it was used in 3 straight games.
I absolutely agree with you on Kobayashi. He lied a lot about certain features in this game. Specifically, that more weapons are in this game than any other DMC game combined. Which was a lie. In the future, i hope he keeps his mouth shut.
They made some mistakes with this, but at the same time i feel they did a lot of things right. I'm sure they'll make DMC5 a good one.
I use it more like the shotgun, Its great for blasting an enemy into the air and then starting your combo or keeping it charged and blast an enemies away when your working on your current one if you play that way. It was really useful forDraft said:
Dante fight too
Kweh said:
In that room, Back left is a Combo meter, You need S to get Blue Orb, Top right has Secret Red orb stash, stand still in that corner and you shall recieve, THe benches also. When you done all of that, Go forward and outside to the Red stick in the ground, action button to start cutscene, lazers appear and then you go back into that room and see a door appeared
TheCardPlayer
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Am I the only DMC fan that plays the game for the kickass gameplay and not the horrible plot that sucked since the first game?DantesWrath said:
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Thrakier said:
It's not a physical weapon you use. It gives you the Devil Trigger ability.
DarkAngelYuna
Banned
Wow. First time through I played on human and the entire thing was so simple. Now I'm replaying on DH and it's been extremely easy so far then I just got to the fight with
and holy crap the game got hard all of a sudden. Took me 3 times to beat that fight since i don't like to use my revive item lol.
Credo
Attack You
Member
DarkAngelYuna said:
Nothing stopped me cold going through DH. Most of my boss battles went like this:
first attempt: learn pattern, catch a beatdown.
second attempt: exploit weaknesses, catch a slightly less severe beatdown.
third attempt: bring the pain, and win with a slither of health left.
I refused to use vital stars or yellow orbs...or red balloons, purple horseshoes, green clovers, or pink hearts. Dante, for all the adjusting I took to defeat normal enemies with him, tore through bosses like a fiend.
DarkAngelYuna
Banned
I only went human my first time through because thats what everyone had been saying the demo was before the retail came out so I figured that was hard enough considering I haven't played a DMC since the first =\. Oh well first time through was for the story.. and human achievements. -_-Attack You said:
WickedLaharl
Member
finally got my copy today.
i think i'll take a little nap and dive into it later.
i think i'll take a little nap and dive into it later.
i don't have any psn friends to compete against tho :[
Holy Order Sol
Member
Pedobear said:
The plot in DMC 4 didn't do anything for me, I wouldn't call it horrible though, but I did like Nero and Dante.
Darkflight
Member
Ok, I think I'm starting to get to grips with Dante, just got my first overall S for a mission woo, Mission 15 - S for time, A for style, B for orbs - no items bonus - I hate
Blitz, first time I met him he slaughtered me, had to restart the mission, 2nd time was better but damn they're tricky. The frog boss was easy as hell with Dante and the cutscene with Pandora is great
DantesWrath said:
Wow. While I do agree that Kobayashi did run at the mouth too many times during DMC4's development (Here's banking for a Special Edition), but I do disagree on pretty much everything else.
Nero actually adds something different to the typical Dante style, and as a character, it isn't like there is anything especially wrong with him. Credo, while a pretty static character, at least provided one of the best boss fights since Nelo Angelo, especially on higher difficulties. Agnus was humorous, and Kyrie was typical damsel caliber. I don't know what most were hoping for out of the story, as it seems that nothing short of a cheesy Vergil revival could have met the overly elevated hype.
Danne-Danger
Member
Just gotta say once again that this is... wow... best game this gen (so far). I'm charging through tougher and tougher challenges and laugh when I get my ass handed to me, every fight it feels like I'm improving. Total satisfaction.
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Though I have to say that I hate fighting the
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I wouldn't say it is simple at all...Reving is a beautiful thing. I never realized how quicky boss fights went with Nero do to Reving and Devil Bringer.SpokkX said:I mostly agree. Nero really sucks. Feels very simple compared to Dante and you only get to play Dante for 30%
Way worse than DMC3 and a big disappointment for me also
DantesWrath said:
Keep playing. I was disappointed somewhat on my first run, but after multiple runs with challenging AI where you learn the game like the back of your hand and figure out all the uses for every attack and multiple strats for every enemy; when that all happens the game is great.
I agree there are a lot of flaws. Dante feels pointless, the game is short with not a lot of bosses, story is lolz, and should have been more weapons/db abilities. But what is in the game is some of the best combat ever as Nero is really amazing once you get his gameplay down against tough enemies. It's definitely up with the action "greats" like DMC3/NG/GH even if it might not be quite as good as them. DMC4 should be nice competition for NG2.
MechaX said:
Yeah, while I think the game turned out quality, I think Kobayashi is a damn PR tool and liar. The whole TGS CG unveil "this is the min quality of the graphics of the final version" = @_@
I don't get the Nero is simple criticism. Multi-weapon combos are just timing. You start with weapon x and begin an attack pattern based on timed hits and weapon switches. Nero combos are also timing. The instarevs require precision timing, the proper use of the snatch and grab moves requires less precise timing, but they do add a whole new layer of depth to the combat.
Real time weapon switching is not some holy grail of action gaming. It was true before DMC4 came out, and it's true now.
Real time weapon switching is not some holy grail of action gaming. It was true before DMC4 came out, and it's true now.
Zombie James
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Sandman42 said:
It was hard at first without the Devil Bringer, but i'm starting to feel this way, too.
Toonami 99
Member
Can some one tell me what went wrong with the DMC anime? I only saw ep 1. Also I am a little dissapointed with nero's story for the game. Capcom went out of their way to make a new character for the series but they didnt explain who he is, where he came from, or how he got his power. Even in the early cut scenes Dante: "you will know the meaning soon enough". We never got to that.
Its also a shame that Nero didnt get any power from Berial either, it would have been great if nero got berial's sword, or his lava attack, or even his explosion.
Its also a shame that Nero didnt get any power from Berial either, it would have been great if nero got berial's sword, or his lava attack, or even his explosion.
Draft said:
I tend to think Nero's suffering from some generalizations due to his moveset being more limited than Dante. Limited is a bad choice of words too as Nero still offers a deep combat experience. Dante almost offers too much freedom and in gaf's black and white world, this is distilled to "Nero am simple. Dante ftw" rather than recognizing both characters offer a wonderful depth but in two different manners.
Junpei Heat
Junior Member
I beat Berial in DMD without getting hit!
It's understandable why so many of you want Vergil back but he isn't coming back. He's DEAD,unless they retcon the story or do some stupid revival shit,he's gonna stay that way.
It's understandable why so many of you want Vergil back but he isn't coming back. He's DEAD,unless they retcon the story or do some stupid revival shit,he's gonna stay that way.
Junpei Heat said:I beat Berial in DMD without getting hit!
It's understandable why so many of you want Vergil back but he isn't coming back. He's DEAD,unless they retcon the story or do some stupid revival shit,he's gonna stay that way.
He lives on through Nero's arm, just like Liquid Snake.
C- Warrior
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DantesWrath said:
I disagree.
You're fascination and (near-obsession) with Vergil strikes an odd with me. I found DMC4's gameplay to be great. Nero's Devil Arm is great, Dante may have fewer weapons but the depth of Lucifer and Pandora easily outclass it, and the harder difficulty settings of DMC4 are much better tuned than anything in DMC3.
You can be dissapointed with the story because it didn't offer incite to the legacy of Sparda or Dante, but three DMC games have been about that. I found the new perspective between Nero to be fine enough.
I should also say Raiden in MGS2 didn't bother me. Take this for example, if DMC5 stars Al Bundy as the main character, I wouldn't give a fuck as long as the combat and gameplay is fun and deep/rewarding. - I never really understood the DMC's fanbases fascination with DMC's canon. Get the fuck over it, bullets fly and tits bounce, that's what DMC's 'canon' means to me. Excuse me while I go get some SSS ranks on DMD mode.
Just went through mission 3 on Hell and Hell with a normal character and did it no continues with an S-rank. The hardest part with 1 hit death is the freaking puzzles, lol.
DMD mode is by far the definitive difficulty mode in terms of challenge. Now I see why Hell and Hell (as well as Hell and Heaven) don't even appear on your ranking screen, only Human -> DMD. Those are the real difficulties from easiest to hardest. The two other modes are just bonus stuff to mess around with.
Also the proud soul payout is identical to SoS since in fact you are playing SoS (like the items you picked up in SoS are not there in the two bonus modes). For an S-ranked stage I only got 4k proud souls. DMD still pays the best. In DMD if you die on a boss you get 500 souls per retry, lolz.
Oh and if anyone finishes Hell and Hell they should take a pic and post it of the clear screen. The DMD clear screen is pretty cool and I'd imagine the Hell & Hell one would be cool as well. I don't have the drive to play anymore Hell/Hell or Human at this point since both are pretty boring compared to DMD. I'm done with the game until the SE
DMD mode is by far the definitive difficulty mode in terms of challenge. Now I see why Hell and Hell (as well as Hell and Heaven) don't even appear on your ranking screen, only Human -> DMD. Those are the real difficulties from easiest to hardest. The two other modes are just bonus stuff to mess around with.
Also the proud soul payout is identical to SoS since in fact you are playing SoS (like the items you picked up in SoS are not there in the two bonus modes). For an S-ranked stage I only got 4k proud souls. DMD still pays the best. In DMD if you die on a boss you get 500 souls per retry, lolz.
Oh and if anyone finishes Hell and Hell they should take a pic and post it of the clear screen. The DMD clear screen is pretty cool and I'd imagine the Hell & Hell one would be cool as well. I don't have the drive to play anymore Hell/Hell or Human at this point since both are pretty boring compared to DMD. I'm done with the game until the SE
Lostconfused
Member
Ok so i just put gun on the right trigger, this is certainly causing pain in my hands and is a bit of an adjustment. Gah i hate changing button sets after 10 hours, half the time i am hitting the wrong buttons.
C- Warrior said:
I like this point and the change of pace was nice rather than letting the series become a recycling parody of itself. Its Nero's story, you only know as much as him until midway through the game, and I enjoyed wondering why the hell Dante did what he did at the beginning. There's been three games with the inside look at Dante's business so watching from the outside was a brave decision as it stood and still seems to irritate some longtime fans. It was a far better offering then being outright told, "Hey, you know how Sparda did this or that? Well we forgot he also did this."
Attack You
Member
I don't think it's even all that necessary to explain where Nero comes from. Dante and Vergil tells us as much as we need to know about where Nero came from: one human parent, and one demon parent. I'll get tired of having to go through a huge block of backstory everytime a human/demon hybrid pops up in the DMC universe, and I think Capcom handled it well enough here by not making it a big deal.
Lostconfused
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Attack You said:
This was still a game to explain it. Nero's appearance/introduction is the only important thing that happened in this game story wise. DMC4 almost feels like an episode of a tv show thats not related to the main story arc. We have some random villains with a plot to destroy the world, enter a new character, enter Dante, bad guys get their ass handed to them in some brutal way. fin.
If they actually gave Nero some more weapons and a bit more do to with the Devil Bringer, He would easily be on par with Dante. He has some fantastic combat. Its dam difficult too, but look at the results. I did it once where you threw the lance back at *Insert boss* But it was awesome:lol Imagine getting all of that done, all 100% reving, etc. The format is simple, but mastering it is dam hard but with great results. I don't think at all he is dissapointing. I wish they expanded his arseal a bit...but himself. Hes fantastic. Not Dante, but good on his own.
I rather have wanted them to make all 20missions for Nero...and then treat dante like Vergil in 3 except give him his own cutscenes too
I rather have wanted them to make all 20missions for Nero...and then treat dante like Vergil in 3 except give him his own cutscenes too
Lostconfused
Member
shintoki said:
Thats pretty much what they did, this game is designed around Nero. Dante just retreads his path but backwards.
Attack You
Member
Lostconfused said:
Yeah, you're right. I phrased my thoughts wrong. But, if Nero's story gets its own prequel, I'm gonna have to choke a bitch.
Lostconfused
Member
I wouldn't stop you.Attack You said: