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Is there a trick to killing the Blitz's as Nero? They're a bitch and a half on SoS while everything else is a cakewalk.
chaoticprout said:Is there a trick to killing the Blitz's as Nero? They're a bitch and a half on SoS while everything else is a cakewalk.
Narag said:edit:
Guess I should've read the manual earlier. It explains why Nero's arm was in a sling.
Attack You said:Still messing around with the controls. Put Gun Attack on RT, Lock-On on LB, and DT on X. Feels better than having Gun Attack on LB, but I still can't Rev like this and you can't put Rev on anything but the triggers. Gonna have to tinker a little more with the controls.
Why is that? (I only rented it.)
gray_fox224 said:So if I use a Gold Orb, can I save the game/turn it off? Will it take me back to where I used it?
Also, how does one harvest orbs?
gray_fox224 said:So if I use a Gold Orb, can I save the game/turn it off? Will it take me back to where I used it?
Also, how does one harvest orbs?
_leech_ said:Goddamnon Mission 19!!!!!!!!!!!!!!dice game
Draft said:Working charged shots into my combos has made S ranking fights a lot easier. It's getting easier on my hand, too :lol I still occasionally get so wrapped up in charging that I forget to instarev, but I do not think that'll be an issue for much longer.
_leech_ said:Goddamnon Mission 19!!!!!!!!!!!!!!dice game
I should start a Blue Rose defense force. :lol Haters be damn!!!!Draft said:Working charged shots into my combos has made S ranking fights a lot easier. It's getting easier on my hand, too :lol I still occasionally get so wrapped up in charging that I forget to instarev, but I do not think that'll be an issue for much longer.
iconoclast said:If you dont know the dice trick, the dice roll in a preset order (1-4-2-6-3-5? not 100% sure off hand). When the number you want comes up, use your buster and it will always land on the number that is on top.
Dante's badass-ness only really shows when he's pushed to his limits, not when everything's too fucking easy for him like in DMC4. The Mundus fight in DMC1 is a great example. Vergil is one of the few that continually poses a serious challenge to Dante. And it's the fact that Dante still acts cocky in situations like these that truly make him a genuine badass.Trinity of Fates said:"Just like Dante, Vergil wanted to protect his mother, you can also see his sense of reverence for his father Sparda. This is not merely a picture of polar opposites with Dante=Good and Vergil=Evil. Their love for their parents is the same, but the most important part of their father's legacy is for Dante, his soul, and for Vergil, his power. Sparda and Eva probably treated the brothers equally, but the fact that their mother was killed trying to protect her children was a turning point for the twins, and it seems that after that their lives were divided."
"The battle where Dante and Vergil place themselves on opposite sides is a battle with one's other self. Dante and Vergil are each other's shadows, and at the same time each other's light. The relationship between Dante and Vergil is such that each of their selves are formed due to the other's existence."
the_id said:How are the sale for the PS3 version compared to the x360 version?
Mamesj said:How many hours are you guys at right now?
I'm at about 30. definitely the most time I've put into a game in this short of a period in a long time.
non-game spoiler:
all time high is 80 hours into DoA:Ultimate online when it launched. I was.....a big fan at the time. not so much any more :lol
DantesWrath said:I never argued anything about the gameplay, I said it's really well refined and all. I'm saying Nero is not needed. Capcom's reasoning was that they needed Nero in order to cater to newcomers of the series. Well I don't get how they thought Dante would overwhelm newcomers with his extreme number of moves and abilities and yet somehow they still make him playable in the game. If the moves are too overwhelming, no one's forcing anyone to use all of them.
Capcom apparently had this ingenious idea of the Devil Bringer but they couldn't give it to Dante because it didn't suit him. Well fine, it doesn't necessarily have to be a mutated arm, it could've just been some original new style or weapon that'll enable him to buster and snatch enemies. Nero is just the result of Kobayashi's retardation. He gets a potentially good idea, but completely mishandles it by introducing lame ass twists and turns to the franchise that sacrifices everything in order to implement them.
Gilgamesh, Rebellion and Lucifer are of course excellent weapons, but it wouldn't have hurt if Dante had at least 3 more weapons like let's say a new sort of spear/scythe, the return of the awesome nunchuckus and the oh so badass Sparda sword in playable form with new original moves, all of which could be exchanged and customized at the Divinity Statue. But right now, DMC4 having less weapons than its predecessor just seems like a step back.
And I don't really know too much about this, and maybe it's because I've only played 8 missions as Dante so far, but having 3 OTF weapons with just one button to cycle through them is a bit too cluttering. Maybe I just need to get used to it though. Obviously idiot Kobayashi is partly to blame, as it was his decision to completely rule out Vergil from the game, and squeeze all his abilities and moves into Dante.
Speaking of Vergil, Nero's disgustingly bland and awful story is the result of his absence and of Dante's "lulz this shit's too fucking easy lulzorz everything's a piece of cake and a walk in a park" attitude. That attitude was lame in the anime, and it's lame in DMC4. I'm not a Vergil fan by any means, but I recognize his importance to the series. Dante's character shines through when he interacts with his twin brother, they're both very similar in terms of power, but have completely different personalities, goals and desires. Here's a direct translation by kiera from the official DMC3 "Trinity of Fates" book to better explain it:
Dante's badass-ness only really shows when he's pushed to his limits, not when everything's too fucking easy for him like in DMC4. The Mundus fight in DMC1 is a great example. Vergil is one of the few that continually poses a serious challenge to Dante. And it's the fact that Dante still acts cocky in situations like these that truly make him a genuine badass.
Another thing is the god awful script. Capcom must've gotten complete utter retards to write it. Some of the lines are horrible and embarrassing. Some of Dante's lines especially are completely retarded. Nero's ones are marginally better. Though the best cutscene in DMC4 has to be the Dante and Berial one seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPEyjlfLnj4
That's one of the few that put a smile on my face, that's how Dante should always act in DMC4, it perfectly captured the classic cocky Dante vs 2000 year old badass demon that's transferring his grudge on Sparda over to Dante. The fact that he acknowledged Dante's legendary status indirectly compares him to his father and that's always great.
As for Nero, I didn't want to hate him as much as I do right now, because I was hoping he'd have some sort of relevance to Sparda and a real connection to Dante that would be explained and all, but that sadly didn't happen. Instead the story feels like a big filler from Bleach or something. Like I said, Nero doesn't need to completely disappear in DMC5, he can be brought back, but let him get the same treatment as Raiden in MGS4. He's not playable, but yet he's still there, all matured and mysterious. It would be awesome if we were to fight him as a boss, and that Dante would kinda have to take him seriously this time in order to win.
These are all complaints that I'm hoping Capcom acknowledges when making DMC5, I hope they won't be like "Oh look DMC4 sales are very good, let's give them more playable Nero, less playable Dante and a more random, unrelated story". I know the newbies think that DMC was never about story but all about gameplay, but this is coming from a big DMC vet, and well I've always liked the DMC universe and characters and so do a lot of other fans, so I want a good story thank you very much. It makes the gameplay all that more fun to play. But don't get me wrong, I'm more into the gameplay than anything else, I will be attempting SS runs on DMD and all, but a lackluster story and Kobayashi's idiotic decisions are a major turn off.
Mamesj said:How many hours are you guys at right now?
I'm at about 30. definitely the most time I've put into a game in this short of a period in a long time.
gray_fox224 said:Jesus, how can I defeat the battle with Credo as Nero?
Toonami 99 said:learn his pattern and when to dodge
charge shots and buster grabs can break his defence.
you can also grab his spear and throw it back at him
Zzoram said:I guess the demo really didn't translate into sales.
LIVE Activity for week of 2/4
Xbox 360 Top Live Titles (based on UUs)
1 Call of Duty 4
2 Halo 3
3 Guitar Hero III
4 Gears of War
5 Rock Band
6 Madden NFL 08
7 Devil May Cry 4 Demo
8 Assassin's Creed
9 Forza Motorsport 2
10 FIFA 08
That should have covered the release first few days of DMC4. Unless it was a slow burn (due to the silver members getting the demo later maybe?), it probably didn't outsell the PS3 version. This is in line with my expectations.
unomas said:Barely anyone on my friends list seems to have it, not sure if that would be a good indicator or not but only a few people have it.
Othwerwise I'm stuck on the boss right now on DH mode mission 17, he sucks my damn energy and I don't know how to stop it.
unomas said:Barely anyone on my friends list seems to have it, not sure if that would be a good indicator or not but only a few people have it.
Othwerwise I'm stuck on the boss right now on DH mode mission 17, he sucks my damn energy and I don't know how to stop it.
<[Leaderboards: Top 3]>
(Note: some names listed are fellow GAF members who have not signed up for the leaderboard, but I have on my friends list regardless)
All names are listed by their GAF name for easier association.
Human Total (02/13/08):
00483 - KGKK - 992161
01134 - Defuser - 897158
04601 - akachan ningen - 729243
Human M01 (02/13/08):
03759 - Matrix - 7289
03780 - Remy - 7284
Human M20 (02/13/08):
06216 - KGKK - 20680
07395 - Defuser - 19444
11148 - akachan ningen - 17012
Devil Hunter Total (02/13/08):
00384 - miamiwesker - 1331930
00458 - I3rand0 - 1300249
06693 - Defuser - 768803
Devil Hunter M01 (02/13/08):
01426 - Remy - 10669
04719 - miamiwesker - 8886
06895 - I3rand0 - 7804
Devil Hunter M20 (02/13/08):
00499 - I3rand0 - 40715
00898 - miamiwesker - 36413
04070 - KGKK - 26989
Son of Sparda Total (02/13/08):
00443 - Defuser - 2182596
Son of Sparda M01 (02/13/08):
00859 - miamiwesker - 11701
01170 - KGKK - 11253
02055 - Defuser - 10567
Son of Sparda M20 (02/13/08):
01000 - miamiwesker - 53712
Darkpen said:For anyone that cares, I've updated the PS3's leaderboard thread with actual leaderboard info.
Thread is over here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9690182
And here are the leaderboard scores for GAF:
Blood Palace Ranking (02/13/08):
01261 - miamiwesker - 240149
01459 - Defuser - 218455
08120 - ~Devil Trigger~ - 109722
09351 - KGKK - 106306
09754 - akachan ningen - 103768
13541 - Ninja Kn1ght - 87653
Darkpen said:Oh, I almost forgot. Bloody Palace
Narag: why? that list consists of I3rando, miamiwesker, KGKK, sagat2036, myself, EekTheKat, and Defuser, in that order. You haven't added your name to the GAF leaderboard list (aka sent me a friend request). Or were you referring to worldwide records?
The top 3 M20 DH in the world is as follows
1) Monban357 - 114180
2) brea - 113881
3) MH7sA - 112177
Darkpen said:Oh, I almost forgot. Bloody Palace
Narag: why? that list consists of I3rando, miamiwesker, KGKK, sagat2036, myself, EekTheKat, and Defuser, in that order. You haven't added your name to the GAF leaderboard list (aka sent me a friend request). Or were you referring to worldwide records?
The top 3 M20 DH in the world is as follows
1) Monban357 - 114180
2) brea - 113881
3) MH7sA - 112177
Oh yeah, brea's fucking insane (and makes me want to cry in the corner), but he does look like he's being passed up by a few people.MiamiWesker said:I just got that bloody palace score a few hours ago, I actually made it to the 30's. I am becoming a Blitz killing machine (pandora's box omen for the win!)
Brea is slowly losing his top spot in many missions I noticed. I think he still has the overall game lead.
Darkpen said:Oh yeah, brea's fucking insane (and makes me want to cry in the corner), but he does look like he's being passed up by a few people.
keep Kyrie safe as timer counts down during credits.ScissorHands said:Ok, I just finished Devil Hunter. So good. 9/10 to this game.
Anyway, how do you get the secret ending?
I disagree with a lot of what was said in this post. Except stuff dealing with Kobayashi relating his over promising of the game or leading the fans in the wrong direction.Just beat the game for the first time. Never felt this disappointed in my life since DMC2. The story is atrocious. Nero sucks. The script is horrible. No Vergil, no extra costumes, stupid unlockables. Only 3 weapons for Nero and only 6 for Dante? WTF happened to "DMC4 will have more weapons that all of the previous games combined"??
Beating the game made me feel like I just watched one long ass filler arc that messes and completely ruins the story. Ridiculous. Agnus/Credo/Kyrie are all stupid, useless characters. Even Dante has almost no relevance to the story. Trish did almost nothing, and don't get me started on Lady. The story feels too much like the abysmal DMC anime, but worse. And I know it's all because of Kobayashi, since he worked on the DMC anime too.
All that's left for me in this game is the core gameplay, which is really well refined. All I can think of right now is maxing Dante and start making some crazy combos. I didn't mind the backtracking and the fact that you have to fight bosses multiple times. The level design isn't on the same caliber as DMC1, but it's very hard to compete with Kamiya's genius, especially if you have an idiot like Kobayashi working on the team.
My score: 7.5/10.
I am now officially no longer a DMC fan. I am a DMC1/DMC3 fan. I will not be looking forward to DMC5, unless Capcom admits and realizes all their mistakes in DMC4. Nero should be what Raiden is in MGS4, Dante, Vergil and Sparda should become the main focus again and finally Kobayashi's role should be no higher than coffee-fetcher boy.