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[TreIII]

With all the cross promotion they are doing, wouldn't it make more sense to have Basara 4 character skins in there? They also seem to be constantly showcasing the game on LDK, making it look like a Basara/Musou. Might help with sales a little in Japan at least.

I'm counting on that, actually.

Since it's confirmed BASARA 4 Sumeragi won't have anymore DLC collaboration outfits with DMC (beyond the Dante/Vergil alts already available for Masamune and Mitsunari from the base game), it really sounds like the entire "DMC vs. SB" stream they'll have this weekend might be the perfect time to showcase that the DMC side is going to play host to the dress up fun, instead.

Helps that the two series already share a lot in common as it is, so getting more fans to crossover would be a boon for at least the Japanese version.

 

[BadWolf]

Eh, maybe I'm crazy, but I didn't think DMC4's music was bad. The main problem was that it played the same buttrock songs over and over again until I was sick of them (same problem in DMC3), but I didn't really hate the tracks themselves.

Now this on the other hand...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zK_PJaaEMU

....this is bad.

I really hope this was a drunk accident and not some preview of what's to come for the franchise. Otherwise...

Dragon's Dogma has such good music, they should do something along the lines of that instead of the usual forgettable rock.

I'm counting on that, actually.

Since it's confirmed BASARA 4 Sumeragi won't have anymore DLC collaboration outfits with DMC (beyond the Dante/Vergil alts already available for Masamune and Mitsunari from the base game), it really sounds like the entire "DMC vs. SB" stream they'll have this weekend might be the perfect time to showcase that the DMC side is going to play host to the dress up fun, instead.

Helps that the two series already share a lot in common as it is, so getting more fans to crossover would be a boon for at least the Japanese version.

Agreed, let's see what happens this weekend.

 

[Erigu]

Helps that the two series already share a lot in common as it is, so getting more fans to crossover would be a boon for at least the Japanese version.

But it would also be kinda pointless outside of Japan... Not holding my breath, personally.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

Would be surprised to see them acknowledge DmC like that within a mainline game.

Well Some of DMC Vergil's attacks and properties are based on on DmC Vergil. Costumes would e nice. DMC3 had great costumes for Dante, but seeing Cowboy Dante all the time is DMC4 is pretty tiring.

I don't see you complaining about this in every single other video game thread.

Also this image is godlike:

Where is Nero?

 

[GuardianE]

Where is Nero?

He's at the casino buffet with Kyrie.

 

[Sephzilla]

Where is Nero?

He's probably not old enough to go into a casino

 

[TreIII]

But it would also be kinda pointless outside of Japan... Not holding my breath, personally.

Whatever opinions about BASARA may be, it's not as if the series is a complete unknown outside of Japan, either. Two game localizations, Funimation dubs for the animated series and a stream for the more recent OVA.

At best, such costumes would get included as part of the package deal and will be as much of a nice bonus as the Berserk DLC was for Dragon's Dogma. At worst, they may just keep it Japanese exclusive because it pertains to that audience more.

Either way, it just makes too much in the way of sense to me, especially when trying to win back the Japanese fanbase after the weird DmC episode is a thing that Capcom would want.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

He's at the casino buffet with Kyrie.

If you go to Google images and search 'Nero Kyrie' some amazing NxK fan art comes up.
Mods, gimmie that as a new title!
"President of the Nero x Kyrie fan club". <3 <3 <3

 

[BadWolf]

Well Some of DMC Vergil's attacks and properties are based on on DmC Vergil. Costumes would e nice. DMC3 had great costumes for Dante, but seeing Cowboy Dante all the time is DMC4 is pretty tiring.

Imo those were probably Itsuno or his team's ideas to begin with.

Whatever opinions about BASARA may be, it's not as if the series is a complete unknown outside of Japan, either. Two game localizations, Funimation dubs for the animated series and a stream for the more recent OVA.

At best, such costumes would get included as part of the package deal and will be as much of a nice bonus as the Berserk DLC was for Dragon's Dogma. At worst, they may just keep it Japanese exclusive because it pertains to that audience more.

Either way, it just makes too much in the way of sense to me, especially when trying to win back the Japanese fanbase after the weird DmC episode is a thing that Capcom would want.

Yeah, even in the worst case scenario the Basara costumes would do more for the game than DmC costumes.

If you go to Google images and search 'Nero Kyrie' some amazing NxK fan art comes up.
Mods, gimmie that as a new title!
"President of the Nero x Kyrie fan club". <3 <3 <3

lol, that pic.

 

[TreIII]

Yeah, even in the worst case scenario the Basara costumes would do more for the game than DmC costumes.

And if Capcom was to ever be so outstanding that they were willing to try localizing BASARA a third time (or let Sony do it for them), the cross brand marketing could be just as beneficial.

"You guys liked LDK Mode? Well, then, how about trying this series where that type of gameplay takes center stage...?"

 

[Erigu]

Whatever opinions about BASARA may be, it's not as if the series is a complete unknown outside of Japan, either.

No, but Capcom isn't trying to promote a Sengoku Basara game outside of Japan, right now.
(hell, I'm not sure they ever were!)

 

[Astral]

If you go to Google images and search 'Nero Kyrie' some amazing NxK fan art comes up.
Mods, gimmie that as a new title!
"President of the Nero x Kyrie fan club". <3 <3 <3

Lol Trish's face.

 

[paolo11]

He's at the casino buffet with Kyrie.

Haha. In Vegas?

But I do hope we see some changes or tweaks for Nero and Dante.

 

[The Silver]

If you go to Google images and search 'Nero Kyrie' some amazing NxK fan art comes up.
Mods, gimmie that as a new title!
"President of the Nero x Kyrie fan club". <3 <3 <3

Uncle Dante's all

 

[Akainu]

Imo those were probably Itsuno or his team's ideas to begin with.

iyo? they either are or aren't. someone needs to find some proof.

 

[BadWolf]

But I do hope we see some changes or tweaks for Nero and Dante.

In case you missed it, Sesha spotted one tweak for Nero.

His max level exceed Streak packs a bigger punch now. The animation is longer and does more hits.

 

[Son Of D]

Where is Nero?

Who do you think's taking the photo? Vergil's probably getting drunk or making another child.

 

[Sephzilla]

Vergil strikes me more as the type of person who would be in an intense game of poker.

 

[Akainu]

Vergil strikes me more as the type of person who would be in an intense game of poker.

probably doing prostitutes. make some more bastard sons.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Booting up DMC3:SE to have some fun before this finally comes out.

 

[The Silver]

in an odd twist, Vergil is the party animal while Dante prefer's chilling in bars eating strawberry sundaes.

 

[YoungOne]

Whatever opinions about BASARA may be, it's not as if the series is a complete unknown outside of Japan, either. Two game localizations, Funimation dubs for the animated series and a stream for the more recent OVA.

At best, such costumes would get included as part of the package deal and will be as much of a nice bonus as the Berserk DLC was for Dragon's Dogma. At worst, they may just keep it Japanese exclusive because it pertains to that audience more.

Either way, it just makes too much in the way of sense to me, especially when trying to win back the Japanese fanbase after the weird DmC episode is a thing that Capcom would want.

I should get around to playing one of the basara games sometime.

 

[Sephzilla]

in an odd twist, Vergil is the party animal while Dante prefer's chilling in bars eating strawberry sundaes.

Vergil is the guy who's uptight and unfun to be around until you get him drunk and then he turns into the life of the party

 

[Son Of D]

Vergil strikes me more as the type of person who would be in an intense game of poker.

Well it does require a lot of concentration.

I'll end this joke now before it gets worse.

 

[Son Of Sparda]

Man all this gameplay videos are amazing, really love what they've done with Vergil. He feels like a beast. Can't wait to get my hands on this game.

 

[Astral Dog]

Vergil is the guy who's uptight and unfun to be around until you get him drunk and then he turns into the life of the party

Dante becomes a total asshole when drunk, manga and anime are proof.
i have a theory that he is the truly evil twin, the SE will reveal Vergil as the hero of the story, then before DMC 5 Dante starts killing innocent demons because he is bored, Vergil is revived and has to stop him, he battles demons that Dante enslaves, Lady, Trish and Nero are the major "minion" boss battles of the game, Nero can join after a certain point in the story if Vergil decides not to kill him. in ends in a bloody battle in front of the Devil May Cry.
In the end Vergil learns Sparda is still alive.

Spoiler

you know Dante would be an awesome villain

 

[Frantic]

At best, such costumes would get included as part of the package deal and will be as much of a nice bonus as the Berserk DLC was for Dragon's Dogma.

I played most of DD as Griffith. DD really needed a "cosmetic" slot and an "armor" slot, because I would have rocked that armor forever.

I definitely anticipate some Sengoku Basara outfits in the SE, though. At the very least, I expect Masamune for Dante and Mitsunari for Vergil.

DMC2 Dante would be a godlike alt, but I don't really see it happening. DMC1 is gonna be one for sure, though(most iconic, most used in crossovers, has been featured in all DMCs up to this point, etc), which is the next best thing.

 

[Sesha]

Sengoku Basara costumes for Dante and Vergil while DMC3 Lady and Gloria costumes are locked away as pre-order DLC would be bullshit.

 

[TreIII]

No, but Capcom isn't trying to promote a Sengoku Basara game outside of Japan, right now.
(hell, I'm not sure they ever were!)

Pffffft.

But again, who knows? Maybe Capcom will try one more time with SB4:Sumeragi's PS4 port and actually give the West a complete BASARA package for once. (Or maybe Sony can fund it for them as another "Building the List" initiative.)

In any case, they could do worse than promoting a brand within an established game like DMC4:SE through bonus costumes and seeing what happens if people get interested.

I should get around to playing one of the basara games sometime.

It's old and lacking in content, but Sengoku BASARA: Samurai Heroes (localization of the 3rd game) should be a cheap date by now. And it's in English, so you can get a dose of what the fuss is about before possibly joining the import bandwagon. They even got Dante and Nero's VA's to voice Masamune and Yukimura in the dub.

And for an example, Dante and Vergil's costumes in action in the 4th game, demoed by Tetsuo9999 a year ago.

 

[ezekial45]

It's such a shame SB never took off in West. They tried to bring it here twice (Devil Kings and Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes), but they both sold very poorly. The second time was much worse, as they let the game be what it was and didn't localize it into something else. They totally tried going for the niche market, even localizing the anime, but it just didn't work out in the West.

And that's why we don't have anymore SB titles in the West.

 

[RiderKairuu]

It's such a shame SB never took off in West. They tried to bring it here twice (Devil Kings and Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes), but they both sold very poorly. The second time was much worse, as they let the game be what it was and didn't localize it into something else. They totally tried going for the niche market, even localizing the anime, but it just didn't work out in the West.

And that's why we don't have anymore SB titles in the West.

It's a shame because I loved both of those games. They're so crazy and fun to play.

 

[Frantic]

I was like one of the few people to actually buy Devil Kings. Would have bought Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes if I had had a PS3/Wii, too.

The series is anime as all hell, but it doesn't take itself seriously, and I love it for that.

 

[GuardianE]

I bought Devil Kings on clearance at Target forever ago and never opened it. I saw "Capcom", "Action", and "PS2", and I just impulse purchased. I didn't realize until years later that it was a Sengoku Basara game.

 

[Sephzilla]

I want as many alt costumes as they can cram in there.

DMC1, DMC2, DMC3, DMC4, Sparda Dante costumes for Dante

DMC3, Corrupt Vergil, Sparda Vergil, Nelo Angelo costumes for Vergil

DMC3 Lady, DMC3 Alt Lady, DMC4 costumes for Lady

DMC1, DMC4, Gloria costumes for Trish

And give Nero anything else to wear

 

[TreIII]

It's such a shame SB never took off in West. They tried to bring it here twice (Devil Kings and Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes), but they both sold very poorly. The second time was much worse, as they let the game be what it was and didn't localize it into something else. They totally tried going for the niche market, even localizing the anime, but it just didn't work out in the West.

And that's why we don't have anymore SB titles in the West.

Samurai Heroes was a victim of several things.

1) Capcom did little to advertise the game. Failure to get out in front allowed every media outlet to create their own narrative of BASARA being yet "another mindless DW clone", instead of actually showcasing just how "stylish" the game could be, in the right hands.

2) Capcom's expectations. Even Koei's games don't bring home the kind of bacon that Capcom was likely aiming for, and that's with Koei taking the time to actually cultivate an audience who already know what they're getting into when they buy their games.

3) Capcom didn't do everything they could to cultivate that niche they were after. For example: No JP vocal track immediately made some people turn up their nose. You could arguably blame that on the Wii (or perhaps Capcom's unwillingness to either ignore making the PS3/Wii versions have parity or invest in dual-layer Wii discs so that they could fit both tracks for the Wii release). Even though the actual dub was good (text errors were another issue altogether), it rubbed that very segment that Capcom should've been appeasing the most the wrong way.


Funimation's dubs of the anime were also good, as well. But unless you had access to their cable channel, I can't imagine you being able to just catch the show randomly on TV, years ago. Granted, Toonami wasn't really present during that timeframe, either.


That all aside, if Capcom does decide to try again, I hope they'd be willing to learn the lessons from their last two efforts, and feel free to cite what Koei and Bamco have been doing otherwise. Even a PSN-only release with English text and Japanese voice overs (a la One Piece) would be a step in the right direction.

 

[GuardianE]

I want as many alt costumes as they can cram in there.

DMC1, DMC2, DMC3, DMC4, Sparda Dante costumes for Dante

DMC3, Corrupt Vergil, Sparda Vergil, Nelo Angelo costumes for Vergil

DMC3 Lady, DMC3 Alt Lady, DMC4 costumes for Lady

DMC1, DMC4, Gloria costumes for Trish

And give Nero anything else to wear

Give Nero a Yang and Zero alt. Team JYB.

 

[Sephzilla]

Give Nero a Yang and Zero alt. Team JYB.

Give him a totally-not-Vash the Stampede outfit too

 

[BumblebeeCody]

I bought Devil Kings on clearance at Target forever ago and never opened it. I saw "Capcom", "Action", and "PS2", and I just impulse purchased. I didn't realize until year later that it was a Sengoku Basara game.

Yeah same. Found it on a cheap for around £2. Never played it though. Just more of a collection thing.

 

[paolo11]

In case you missed it, Sesha spotted one tweak for Nero.

His max level exceed Streak packs a bigger punch now. The animation is longer and does more hits.

Ah, nice. Thanks for the info. Hehhehe...

 

[Frantic]

Honestly, the only costume I want for Vergil is Gilver, which is super unlikely, so I'll settle for coatless DMC3. Please bring coatless variants back, Capcom.

And I got it in my head that Capcom will be lazy and recycle Credo's outfit for Nero. They'll also probably be lazy and just give Trish a biker jacket for one of the alts, which I'd be down for, personally.

 

[Sesha]

Got answers to some of my additional questions from Gregaman:

-Yamato must be equipped to do the Judgment Cut End.

-There's no just charge version of Rising Star since it's not a charge move, but I'll have to see if it behaves differently when DT is active. Some of Vergil's moves do. Rapid Slash, for example, basically has no recovery frames so you can do it basically as fast as you can push the button, Strider style.

-No other Back-to-Forward moves for Vergil.

-Kick 13 is Vergil's other Circle+Triangle move.

-Yep, Shimomura-san is back.

Kick 13 being Circle + Triangle is strange, and even stranger that Vergil doesn't have any back-to-forward moves other than Heavy Rain Swords.
It's good to have Shimomura back to working on Devil May Cry.

 

[Astral Dog]

Shimomura!

 

[Frantic]

Kick 13 being Circle + Triangle is strange, and even stranger that Vergil doesn't have any back-to-forward moves other than Heavy Rain Swords.

Back-to-forward is hard for the newbies. Easier to just mash two buttons together than it is to input back-to-forward.

Spoiler

they're saving the back-forward inputs for DMC5

 

[BadWolf]

Shimomura!

Fuck yes.

He wouldn't come back just for a few cutscenes to an SE, right? Probably did them during his spare time while...

 

[TreIII]

Fuck yes.

He wouldn't come back just for a few cutscenes to an SE, right? Probably did them during his spare time while...

Yeah, as said above, he's freelance now, so he can do work for anybody who's willing to hire him.

Which likely means that he's probably just as involved in the "secret project with no name" as Mr. Southworth is~!

 

[paolo11]

Yeah, as said above, he's freelance now, so he can do work for anybody who's willing to hire him.

Which likely means that he's probably just as involved in the "secret project with no name" as Mr. Southworth is~!

Which I hope it's Devil May Cry 5.

 

[Mizerman]

Vergil strikes me more as the type of person who would be in an intense game of poker.

Heh. He already has one hell of a poker face.

Samurai Heroes was a victim of several things.

1) Capcom did little to advertise the game. Failure to get out in front allowed every media outlet to create their own narrative of BASARA being yet "another mindless DW clone", instead of actually showcasing just how "stylish" the game could be, in the right hands.

2) Capcom's expectations. Even Koei's games don't bring home the kind of bacon that Capcom was likely aiming for, and that's with Koei taking the time to actually cultivate an audience who already know what they're getting into when they buy their games.

3) Capcom didn't do everything they could to cultivate that niche they were after. For example: No JP vocal track immediately made some people turn up their nose. You could arguably blame that on the Wii (or perhaps Capcom's unwillingness to either ignore making the PS3/Wii versions have parity or invest in dual-layer Wii discs so that they could fit both tracks for the Wii release). Even though the actual dub was good (text errors were another issue altogether), it rubbed that very segment that Capcom should've been appeasing the most the wrong way.


Funimation's dubs of the anime were also good, as well. But unless you had access to their cable channel, I can't imagine you being able to just catch the show randomly on TV, years ago. Granted, Toonami wasn't really present during that timeframe, either.


That all aside, if Capcom does decide to try again, I hope they'd be willing to learn the lessons from their last two efforts, and feel free to cite what Koei and Bamco have been doing otherwise. Even a PSN-only release with English text and Japanese voice overs (a la One Piece) would be a step in the right direction.

No kidding. I only knew that Samurai Heroes was out when I walked to Gamestop to get a copy of Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage and I saw Sengoku Basara on the shelf.

It didn't help that Capcom barely made the effort to advertise the game. What did they expect, after all?

 

[Astral]

Vergil's "Soooo slow" is sooo awesome.

 

[Akiller]

Video preview by Gamekult.

Wut.

 

[dwdark]

Video preview by Gamekult.



Wut.

HOLY SHIT ending is huge spoiler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!