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Devil May Cry 4 SE: Vergil, Trish & Lady Playable, Release Date 18th of June
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Yup, move the series forward.
Son Of Sparda
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Post DMC4 with series of playable flashbacks explaining Vergil's past.
With one flashforward at the very end, showing us a young white haired boy with two different eye colors.
Standing over Dante's grave.
Either early prequel telling the Sparda story, or post-DMC4. They need to finish some storylines or create an entire new arc involving a new antagonist.
Verendus saying that the game is in development is great, but I'm specifically talking about E3 reveal. He only listed DMC5 as a potential reveal for E3, never said it would be there
I know I must look impatient to you guys, but honestly after 7 years of waiting I just want them to show me a logo and confirm the damn thing.
E3 is just another day. Verendus' word and DMC4SE releasing soon is keeping me content at the moment.
Astral Dog
Member
DMC 5 needs to be after DMC 4, no question. another prequel wont add much unless it was a Sparda story but that would be much more difficult.
DMC 5 can still have playable flashbacks or something.
DMC 5 can still have playable flashbacks or something.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
My only request is for DMC5 to have a story that actually matters to Dante. I feel like most of DMC4 he's like "yeah all y'all wack, not breaking a sweat lol, gon forget all this shit even happen by the end of the week"
DMC3 had the balance right, cuz we like that he seems to be taking everything MUUUUCH less seriously than every other character in the game, but it still ended up being a very personal story to him and his family, his legacy, his motivation for doing what he does, and him getting the DMC1 outfit at the end felt earned.
DMC3 had the balance right, cuz we like that he seems to be taking everything MUUUUCH less seriously than every other character in the game, but it still ended up being a very personal story to him and his family, his legacy, his motivation for doing what he does, and him getting the DMC1 outfit at the end felt earned.
Even better: post-DMC2. Start it off with Lucia finding out that it was actually
either Nero or Lady and Trish
who's still in Hell after the events of DMC2.
They can just say that Dante "had a cold and that's why he wasn't his usual peppy self" during DMC2. They could even try to tie in how Lucia came to be because "Arius sought to perfect the process that the Order of the Sword began awhile ago", or whatever.
I'm just tired of DMC2's point in the "timeline" being some far off point that's not touched on, when I think it's been time to finally just acknowledge that it exists and just press onward.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
DMC2 on dat Metroid Fusion ish. "Well...shit. Guess we just gonna be making prequels in this franchise til the end of time"
direct_quote
Member
Or just retcon DMC2 out of existence. No reason to keep it in the timeline other than the fact that exists. DMC shouldn't have to have it's hands tied to one game in the series that was haphazardly thrown together.
Astral Dog
Member
Dante is old news anyways, focus on Vergil, Lady,
,Trish and Nero instead,
A question, do you think Devil May Cry is/should be mostly about Dante, Vergil and Dante, or...
Lucia
Probably a Dante vs Vergil story again with the others on small roles,that would be a way to do it,
A question, do you think Devil May Cry is/should be mostly about Dante, Vergil and Dante, or...
If that much was their intention, I don't think they'd keep mentioning the game in stuff like the most recent Graphic Arts Book (translation from Udon coming out soon!), which is an officially endorsed Capcom product. Come what may, Itsuno hasn't opted to just quietly excise DMC2, so I can't help but think it's for a reason.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Dante is old news anyways, focus on Vergil, Lady,,Trish and Nero instead,Lucia
Probably a Dante vs Vergil story again with the others on small roles,that would be a way to do it,
A question, do you think Devil May Cry is/should be mostly about Dante, Vergil and Dante, or...
The more the merrier.
Dante is old news anyways, focus on Vergil, Lady,,Trish and Nero instead,Lucia
Probably a Dante vs Vergil story again with the others on small roles,that would be a way to do it,
A question, do you think Devil May Cry is/should be mostly about Dante, Vergil and Dante, or...
It should be mostly about Dante's chronicles, but other characters should get their developments in as well.
To me, DMC has always been about Dante (and Sparda's baggage), and a DMC5 should absolutely be about Dante (unless it's a Sparda prequel). The 7 year hiatus demands that he be center stage. That doesn't mean other characters shouldn't be playable in NG+ and there shouldn't be a fully fleshed out online combat arena with all the characters, but a DMC5 campaign needs to have strong core focus, which is something that missing from DMC4.
I think they can expand the series afterward DMC5 for sure, but Dante shouldn't ever not be playable for subsequent playthroughs.
I'm down with it being a "group" sort of thing going forward. Doesn't need to be just Dante, but he should be involved in some way, just because he's the face of DMC and all that.
Yeah, I'd like DMC5 to be post DMC2. Have the gang(or most of the gang) end up in Hell for various reasons, and while they're off in hell in a mostly traditional DMC style game, demons invade the human world. This opens things up for a DMC6 followup when they've returned to the human world, there can be a new "style" of DMC with a hub world and getting calls for various missions around demon overrun human world - and have proper storyline missions around repulsing the invasion. It practically writes itself!
but if DMC5 doesn't sell well enough? No DMC6 for you!
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Dante is Devil May Cry but that doesn't mean the other characters need to be neglected. The next Devil May Cry Dante needs to try. Yes we all know he is awesome and so mega OP. Give Dante a struggle. Whether it's a personal struggle or a physical struggle.
DMC2 is really like that Metroid Fusion/1999 era Castlevania/Megaman Legends 2 status for the franchise isn't it?
direct_quote
Member
I don't find Lady and Trish really that interesting anymore. Lady's story arc is finished, while I don't seem to care what happens if Trish faces Mundus again..
You could argue that with DMC, it's ALWAYS been about "Family".
Sparda's legacy or leftovers (or otherwise, those seeking his power) inevitably get his son Dante involved, which is only further compounded by the time you consider Vergil, Nero and Trish getting in the mix, and each brings their own bit of family drama to the table.
In comparison, the only ones who have had their fam drama open and shut in the series so far are Lady and Lucia. And I'm sure there'd be more drama where that comes from.
But yeah, Dante can continue being "Dom", even as the series will inevitably bring new characters in the mix.
Yeah, family is a constant and consistent theme within the series. The humanization of demons. The corruption of humanity. The responsibilities of family obligation.
I'm all for having the gang there in DMC5, but I really think it needs to focus on Dante storywise before they expand it in the series going forward. Switching protagonists and focus mid-game will lead to an even more disjointed experience than DMC4.
In a fighting game, you're trying to create compelling personalities for 30-50 characters, so it makes sense that you'd have numerous different intersecting plotlines. The storytelling itself isn't even mostly contained within the game, but rather outside media and peripheral reading materials.
When you're trying to make a 10 hour campaign, jumping all over the place is a detriment to the narrative. This is why most singular pieces of digestible Street Fighter media usually focuses on Ryu with minor side stories or cameos (the animated movie, the V series, the comic arc). SF3 tried to change up the formula, but Ryu is always the first character shown and is front-and-center in almost all marketing for SF games.
PensivePen
Member
I think that after the long, long wait, coupled with the reaction to the spinoff, the best thing for DMC5 would be to have Dante front and center and the focus of the story to be on him. Include other characters as unlockables and in the story, maybe even a bonus or DLC campaign for some of them, but I think the minimum possible amount of people will get up set with Dante as the lead.
I'm perfectly fine with them going for a new protagonist in the future though, but they have to actually commit to it and not do a half-assed Nero situation.
I'm perfectly fine with them going for a new protagonist in the future though, but they have to actually commit to it and not do a half-assed Nero situation.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
In my opinion, Devil May Cry should have Dante front and center, but it should also share some love among the supporting cast- it doesn't have to be much since story is kinda secondary to these sort of games but just a few small scenes here and there can go a long way.
The Family theme is good, it should be prevalent throughout the series as it gives the games some heart. "Even a devil may cry when he loses a love one" is one of the most memorable lines to me, and the best name call.
The Family theme is good, it should be prevalent throughout the series as it gives the games some heart. "Even a devil may cry when he loses a love one" is one of the most memorable lines to me, and the best name call.
It's going to be post-DMC4 as that makes the most sense unless it's Sparda time. Basically nothing interesting happened before DMC3, between DMC1 and DMC3 and definitely nothing interesting happened between DMC1 and DMC4 (we even have an anime to prove this).
The "it's been a year since we last met" line is explained in the DMC3 manga.
Main focus should be on Dante and the next most focus should be on Vergil. Then Nero and then the two girls. Vergil still doesn't have a dedicated story campaign in the DMC series where as Nero does.Dante is old news anyways, focus on Vergil, Lady,,Trish and Nero instead,Lucia
Probably a Dante vs Vergil story again with the others on small roles,that would be a way to do it,
A question, do you think Devil May Cry is/should be mostly about Dante, Vergil and Dante, or...
If there's to be a new female character then she needs to be relevant to the story and not just background decoration.
As far as DMC2 goes, they need to retcon it or remake it. It's presence is holding the series back canon wise.
direct_quote
Member
I wish Capcom would release DMC4:SE early because Arkham Knight is coming out the same time. Would make the most sense, and even if they plan to reveal DMC5 at E3 they can be like (You can get DMC4:SE available now). The released DmC
E early...
E early...Well, so long as we're on the subject of Fast & Furious...we can think of DMC2 as the "Tokyo Drift" of the franchise. But hey, even after having their fun with prequels, the Fast franchise got over Tokyo being the low point of the franchise and pressed on after it!
And even made sure Han stayed dead, no less!
there are a lot of video games. Some WAY longer than 10 hours , that work agaist your statement.Some being other fighting games. Like... a lot of video games. Like jumping all over the place and switching characters is the premise of that crime game that sold I believe 8 percent of the enteierty of europe.
And I would also suggest your argument makes less sense because we are talking about a genre where large portions of the audience don't actually care about the plot.
You could list some.
If you're talking about MKX, I don't think that it has a particularly compelling narrative, nor do I think that the character switching helps its narrative, but that's just me.
But we're strictly talking about the plot here. Everyone agrees that there should be multiple playable characters.
GTAV is a great example. But I'd venture to say that DMC4 is a better example because we're talking about the same developer and same director, and there is no question that its narrative suffered from a lack of focus.
MK9 and MKX has made me care more about a fighting game story that any fighting game has in a good long time. And has me ready for 11, and I don't even play MK. That good that is, do you know how many people don't even play MK but have played through and talked about the story mode.
Also DOA5. Story mode, pretty aiight actually does the MK thing IIRC.
MK despite how you may personally feel about it, has set a standard.
Much like many animu chracter, Dante doesn't need to be important. He's a complete person. Everyone else has things that needs doing, the story should be focused on them. He should just be around. Its like if GTO was all about GTO.. I don't.. want that. Or a more recent example mad max.
"This character should just kind of exist in the background" would help a lot of series, I think this in spaids for DMC.
Or they could just totally do it betterer.
You can totally try something again and do it better.
Also I think the narrative, amongst other things, suffered from lack of development time. If anything.
Black Republican
Member
hopefully the XB1 ver turns out good
That Dude John
Member
Eh, I feel like barring something like Vergil returning, Dante's story is done and he's better off being support to someone else's shenanigans.
That's a false equivalency. MK9 and MKX have set fighting game storytelling standards, but not any standards for storytelling in general.
I disagree. I think that Dante is important to the series, as is evidenced by the initial reaction to Nero taking the reigns in DMC4, and the more recent reception to DmC Dante. And I'd like to point out again in case you missed it, that I'm specifically talking about DMC5. The future of the series should expand to other characters, but DMC5 needs Dante to be front and center because he's the most important and most marketable character of the series and it's been 7 years since we've seen him in a new game.
They tried this. It was DMC4. And despite how much I care about the game, the narrative suffered from having multiple protagonists. Yes, they could do it better. That's the simple answer to everything - just make it better. But I'd like to look at things a little more realistically given the talent pool that's currently available.
True.
I mean if you want him on the front of the box, sure. I don't think he should be front and center, however I Do think none of the playable characters. Unless super secret, should be playable from the start, It kind of eliminates the problem all together. And people can choose who they feel is important or who they are just interested in
I don't know if any of these folks worked on other things, but capcom makes RE, who's series is filled with games where you jump around narratives. Most recently the revelations editions.
I'm not saying the RE folks should work on DMC ,though there is some history there, what i am saying is, this concept isn't foreign to capcom, and they know how to do it pretty alright. And in the case of DMC4, they have had almost a decade to ruminate on how one could improve a narrative like this, they could do it better.
You act as if people magically stop having ideas after they finish something, no ideas evolve, change , improve, or even become worse.
Do it better.
Do it
Yeah, front of the box and just a major player in DMC5. This isn't to say that the other characters shouldn't be around. I don't want something that isolates Dante or anything because he needs counterbalances and foils in his story, whether they're existing characters in the universe or new ones.
If they can accomplish the bolded while maintaining a compelling central story, I'm all for it. I'm a strong advocate of abandoning the baggage that is the Sparda power struggle and moving onto something fresh, personally, though I know a lot of people in here disagree. I just think it's a tall order, and I don't think it's the best thing to have Dante as background noise given the current climate.
Revelations 2 was a rare example of Capcom doing the multiple arcs well in recent years. I think that RE6 is another game where the separate storylines actually hurt the experience from a lack of focus rather than help it. If they can accomplish what they did with RER2, then they're good from a story perspective.
Don't get me wrong. I definitely don't think Itsuno is short on ideas. I think he and Neo_G are geniuses of combat design. I'm just tempering my expectations, and if that variety ambition ends up creating another half baked experience, I'd rather they not do it.
Yeah, Dante should be be front and center as the main character seeing as DMC usually follows his exploits the most (and his family line as well). Even when Nero was the main protagonist of DMC4, Dante was still a major presence. However, that doesn't mean the other characters should be shafted as well, don't get me wrong. That'll be terrible to do as well. I feel that there's still things to do with Dante as a main character and that simply shifting gears reeks of "for the sake of it and nothing more."
That being said, they really should stop revolving the plot around Sparda's power. They can do better than that.
Ivan Amiibo
Banned
Create an awesome gameplay experience, then come up with the story later. would rather not have the carriage leading the horse.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
I doubt Capcom wants to make a game after DMC 2. That's why they said it's far far far far in the future. Right after 4 is okay.
That goes without saying... no one here is saying that the story should come at the expense of the game play.
biosnake20
Member
So how does DMC4SE bring back Vergil from the dead story wise?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I think post DMC2, with Nero and Lucia freeing Dante AND Vergil, would make a lot of sense.
1/2 of the game would be Nero/Lucia, 1/2 Dante/Vergil.
Vergil redemption story and Nero in the spotlight at some point both need to happen no matter what, though.
1/2 of the game would be Nero/Lucia, 1/2 Dante/Vergil.
Vergil redemption story and Nero in the spotlight at some point both need to happen no matter what, though.
He ate a Gold orb.
Its a shame DMC2 exists in the storyline when it was at a point when DMC was finding its sealegs. It essentially means the worst for all the characters in the franchise. Where are Lady and Trish? Where is Nero? Why is Dante face heel turned serious and brooding now instead of an idiot with a midlife crisis like in DMC4?
DId like everyone die in some horrible tragedy or something? We'll never find out because nobody has the stones to even touch anything to do with DMC2's story ever again. THey won't even try and retcon it now
DId like everyone die in some horrible tragedy or something? We'll never find out because nobody has the stones to even touch anything to do with DMC2's story ever again. THey won't even try and retcon it now
Son Of Sparda
Member
I was watching old trailers of DMC4SE when I came across this scene:
When the trailer released I didn't noticed it much cause I thought "yeah, they probably added a wave of enemies before last boss fight" or it's a "new mode". But now we know that's not the case cause Capcom has confirmed they haven't changed anything else besides adding new characters and cutscenes.
So if it can't be from gameplay, then it most be a cutscene~ BUT WAIT A SECOND! Aren't cutscenes suppose to be canon? If Vergil is inside an activated savior, then doesn't that mean that it's after DMC4?
Holy shit guys! Does that mean that Capcom has already teased DMC5?
When the trailer released I didn't noticed it much cause I thought "yeah, they probably added a wave of enemies before last boss fight" or it's a "new mode". But now we know that's not the case cause Capcom has confirmed they haven't changed anything else besides adding new characters and cutscenes.
So if it can't be from gameplay, then it most be a cutscene~ BUT WAIT A SECOND! Aren't cutscenes suppose to be canon? If Vergil is inside an activated savior, then doesn't that mean that it's after DMC4?
Holy shit guys! Does that mean that Capcom has already teased DMC5?
direct_quote
Member
We already kind of talked about this scene. It could be part of Vergil's end cutscene, or an intro to the last boss. Pretty sure Vergil's cutscene takes place outside Fortuna at night though because we saw a screen grab of that already.
yup...
Started DMC2, did a Stinger, saw the monstrosity that Dante performed before my eyes, never touched the game again.