It depends on the context. They're both assigned to the same button for a reason. Most will tell you that a jump is almost always a cleaner option that allows for a quicker counterattack, but it also needs to be timed better since you're using the invincibility frames and not the actual clearance.
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Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition |OT| Two girls, one motivated Vergil
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It depends on the context. They're both assigned to the same button for a reason. Most will tell you that a jump is almost always a cleaner option that allows for a quicker counterattack, but it also needs to be timed better since you're using the invincibility frames and not the actual clearance.
For a new page as i got caught up in DMC/NG/ random Platinum Game talk
Discussed just a few pages ago:
Any tips for dodging for all character? I always dodge in wrong way because of lock-on and thanks to camera
Or alternatively, whynotboth.gif. Both types of evasion have their places.
Someone uploaded a tutorial for DMC4SE debug mode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cttA9qXBl9s
Seems you can do a bunch of stuff like turn off damage, boss rush and must style mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cttA9qXBl9s
Seems you can do a bunch of stuff like turn off damage, boss rush and must style mode.
I have not seen this... I think NGB is the 2nd best action game ever made. So...
HUGE news.
Which character?
With Dante you want to be doing Dashes with Trickster Style and Air Trick with Trickster. It's faster especially if you do the Royal Guard cancel. Of course this is all very hard to do mid combat (ie. switch to Trickster style then Dash, then Royal Guard to cancel recovery, then back to Trickster etc) and that's why he's Dante.
With Nero Table Hopper is good evasive tool on the ground. The standard roll is fine too (which is Table Hopper if you don't time the roll). In the air your only option is to active Devil trigger when you are about to get hit as it has loads of invulnerability.
With Vergil, you always Teleport to evade. It's a smaller window but it lets you keep on the offensive and it cancels your attacks. In Devil Trigger mode, Vergil has the most broken evasion in the game where he can basically Trick Down instantly from the air and side teleport dash for i-frames all day. So saving Devil Trigger for evasion is really powerful with Vergil.
With Lady and Trick your roll is the best option. I have heard that Lady's back + Triangle move has some invincibility. Also her air Devil Trigger has invincibility too but it uses up all of your Devil Trigger stock so you can't spam it like you can with Nero (it's just a last resort type thing). For these characters jump is a good option too especially with Trick because she has the Flush property on her jump arc.
You probably missed the part where I said NGB is a GOAT tier action game and among the holy trinity of action games. I was just pointing out some faults in the design of the game. I point out way more faults in the DMC games than I do the NG games (fuck I was just defending NG2 for like a whole page).
It's so ridiculous that some of these options aren't in the game proper.
It's SO SO easy to have a Boss rush and Must Style mode put into the game (in addition to DMD + LDK mode stack).
Son Of Sparda
Member
Agreed. I mean, I love Bayo2's weapons, but I find myself missing the Bazillions, Sai Fung and Pillow Talk a whole lot, and wish that there was a way I could carry them over into the new game.
Always need to have the PC versions of DMC for debug. Practicing combos on consoles is brutal.If only PS4 supported mods
EDIT:
I'm sure I'll eventually have both though.
EDIT2:
Or I play around with shadowplay ditching PS4. Encoding is annoying though.
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
DMC3's trailers were so well done.
They should improve alot of things:
1- no more limiting dodge rolling to the sides and I should be able to roll to all directions
2- no more fixed camera in some areas.
2- give us an option to change the camera sensitivity.
4- hire someone that can actually make good level design.
also why can't I speed run when enemies are nearby?
I suspect it's because there's a combat move, Rainbow, that's tied to the sprint. It'd also get annoying when you're trying to make smaller movements and get Speed with the short charge time.
And I firmly disagree about the rolling on all sides for all the reasons already listed.
Infinite Justice
Member
Interesting.
I guess it will just be up to what i feel then at the moment
hmm looks like a missed that, cool
It was Nero currently but thanks for listing every character since i'm sure the question would have appeared again for whoever.
Also Dante's sounds like his DMC3/SE days so that should be fun to get back to (loved Trickster mainly because of all that movement)
....Daaaaaayum.
Yup, that is bad ass.
Welp, that motivation seems to help out a lot.
darkslayer101
Member
really wished they called it motivation meter rather than concentration...
After playing through this with Vergil and Lady/Trish, I have to say the second half of the story really is awful. It's great that debug mode is happening for SE, playing this again got me to go back to regular 4 and use debug/SpoilerAL to try and really learn how to Dante.
How do people control their direction when they do Sky Star Guard Flying? I can't get my finger from the dpad to the stick fast enough lol. I can do the Full House version at least.
Doing Full House > inertia Rainstorm twice in a row is 10/10
Triple Guard Flying is 11/10
Also the motion for hitting hitting X then Circle one frame later is making my thumb hurt, I should try to fix that before my fingers die.
How do people control their direction when they do Sky Star Guard Flying? I can't get my finger from the dpad to the stick fast enough lol. I can do the Full House version at least.
Doing Full House > inertia Rainstorm twice in a row is 10/10
Triple Guard Flying is 11/10
Also the motion for hitting hitting X then Circle one frame later is making my thumb hurt, I should try to fix that before my fingers die.
Infinite Justice
Member
If you want to unlock the next difficulty you must do Devil Hunter (which is the normal mode anyways and human is basically easy mode) then each difficulty cleared will unlock the higher one.
The one exception in this release is the immediate availability of the Legendary Dark Knight or LDK difficulty, which iirc is the pretty much similar to the difficulty unlocked by clearing Devil Hunter but with WAY WAY more demons to fight during an encounter. So if you want the challenge, especially since you now have some idea of what to do with Nero/Dante, then go for it
As for the character stuff you could continue with those 2 on a higher difficulty or try out the other 3 (Lady/Trish have the same split like Nero and Dante, Vergil does the whole thing on his own).
The game gives you a bunch of choice so its your call.
The Silver
Member
that jojo song would be great in a combo vid
Lol, mods saving DMC once again.
The roll is fine. It has its uses. Instead they should give each character a dedicated dodge button, and in the case of Dante just give Trickster and Royalguard dedicated buttons.
Agreed on everything else, though the fixed camera is fine for places with no enemies, like the bridge to Fortuna castle. Having a few dynamic camera positions throughout the game to enhance the atmosphere and show of the environment is good, but that prerequisites the good level design part.
They can bring back Ifrit and revamp it if they absolutely have to have a typical gauntlet weapon.
FullmetalPain
Banned
First 4 Figures posted a revised DMC3 Dante head. It looks better, but he's too tan.
its gonna be weird having Vergil playable in the original non-SE edition
darkslayer101
Member
I think its more probably that they might make him as an expansion or DLC that is announced before the game releases...
Well, it's not like you can announce retailer and console-exclusive pre-order DLC after release...
prodystopian
Member
Boss rush is awesome.
First 4 Figures posted a revised DMC3 Dante head. It looks better, but he's too tan.
Definitely too tanned. Face shape is getting better but still off. Are they still asking for input on getting the features correct?
FullmetalPain
Banned
Yup, they said they will lighten his skin tone. I hope they pull it off because this will probably end up being a legendary statue like the Zelda figures they have released. The Twilight Ganon is amazing.
fighting the annoying enemies as trish got a lot more fun once i realized that her divekick streak counts as a projectile and that it hits really often
blitz still are lame as fuck though, it still ultimately boils down to waiting around though i guess it's good practice for getting down perfect tk divekicks nonstop
blitz still are lame as fuck though, it still ultimately boils down to waiting around though i guess it's good practice for getting down perfect tk divekicks nonstop
Not nearly feminine enough.
darkslayer101
Member
so i know one can buster blitz twice in the vanilla, i forgot how to do it in 4SE?
You can Buster Blitz three times. You just have to be quick about it. You have enough time to run up after each animation finishes and keep doing it once the lightning shield is gone.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Devil Trigger buster would knock him up into the air, jump up and midair buster.
Actually I don't know if you need to DT, but the video I saw did it.
ShinMaruku
Member
I must say beating the old guy with Nero is very satisfying.
"DA SAVIOR IS CUMMING" Buster and he's like ㅇ ㅅ ㅇ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDwzrlt30NA
Man do I suck.
"DA SAVIOR IS CUMMING" Buster and he's like ㅇ ㅅ ㅇ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDwzrlt30NA
Man do I suck.
darkslayer101
Member
in the gallery there is:
history of DMC
Game clear bonus art
character images
???
what's ???
history of DMC
Game clear bonus art
character images
???
what's ???
Publicity Art
ShinMaruku
Member
Man clowning the Old dude is the best thing about this game. XD
I think Vergil's force edge combos are kinda ham. I need to nail it down.
I think Vergil's force edge combos are kinda ham. I need to nail it down.
ShinMaruku
Member
Yup Nero just feels incomplete. If he had more weapons and the Buster it would be ok.
I want to thank whoever posted that cheat enabler or whatever. I was sitting on the game because I didn't want to play as Trish. Infinite DT basically killed everything in short order until I got back to m' Lady.
I'm sure higher level players can make Trish sing, but she's just... The least fun DMC character of all time for me. Granted, I never played dmc2, but other than that...
Well, I'm glad to be moving onto Vergil
I'm sure higher level players can make Trish sing, but she's just... The least fun DMC character of all time for me. Granted, I never played dmc2, but other than that...
Well, I'm glad to be moving onto Vergil