My policy is that if I'm starting to get tired of encounters I avoid them. I can always grind for EXP/money and rarely items later. I usually don't have to though.
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Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers |OT| New World Order, Old World Chaos
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My policy is that if I'm starting to get tired of encounters I avoid them. I can always grind for EXP/money and rarely items later. I usually don't have to though.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
That is crazy. I got to the second to last floor of it and got mudo-d. Came back, and was like "fuck that," and used repulse water. Much easier. Especially because those enemies gave you jack shit for experience.
I was using attract water in Primate Intelligence Lab, because it's a very fast way to earn MAG.
I never use the repulse water because the encounter rate isn't high enough in this game...
Augemitbutter
Member
that's scary. i explored 50% of the first floor without. the other half with and then bailed. it was way too boring for some reason. i felt there was nothing to gain.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
*unskippable cutscene before boss battle at Algon*
Augemitbutter
Member
just call him the cutscene boss from now on.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Can anyone please check whether the new backup feature works with Soul Hackers? I think I wouldn't mind getting the digital version and sell my cart if I can keep my save file for all eternity. 
7-10 hours.
Cool, thanks. I'll keep taking my time with this though, I definitely want to do all of the optional stuff.
EDIT:
I was tired and bored tonight, so I made this:
Augemitbutter
Member
time well spent.
Burp.
Another one:
I should play the game some more instead of doodling.
EDIT: So I have 85,000 Magnetite, what's the best way to spend it all? Should I convert it to money and then to casino tokens or something? I haven't really explored the casino at all, so I don't know if there is anything worth going for there.
Another one:
I should play the game some more instead of doodling.
EDIT: So I have 85,000 Magnetite, what's the best way to spend it all? Should I convert it to money and then to casino tokens or something? I haven't really explored the casino at all, so I don't know if there is anything worth going for there.
Trojita
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I ran into my first glitch today while fighting the boss in Algon HQ. Nemissa casted Megido on him and the game froze. It froze the whole 3DS, you couldn't even go to the home menu. The sound wanted to play even as I was manually shutting off the power. It sucked especially since it happened right at the end of the fight and the fight took longer than normal because I didn't have the exact right Persona for the job.
I'm afraid to do the Amami Monolith after all you guys have said.
I'm afraid to do the Amami Monolith after all you guys have said.
Estoma and Repulse Water is a must unless you feel like spending hours in random battles.
cj_iwakura
Member
Yep. Dungeon itself is not THAT bad, just tedious.
Each floor has a letter you have to find, it's located in one out of four tunnels, you have to do this seven times on each tower.
Without Estoma? Madness.
cj_iwakura
Member
Repulse Waters are sold at the Robot Haus. Estoma is a demon-only spell. Maybe you can get one from the pet shop? Failing that, there's an early-level demon that has it, probably on the first floor of the Sea Hotel.
Thanks a lot man.
I'm not a big RPG guy, but this game looks great. Would a n00b like me have fun with it?
I picked it up today without knowing much more about it than what I saw from a few awesome-looking videos some months ago. Now, I've checked a few reviews and read that the game is quite difficult.
This worries me because I'm not a particularly skilled RPG player. Perhaps the only one I've ever beaten was Final Fantasy XIII, and I've only played VII and a few others such as Blue Dragon.
In addition, game time is tight these days and frankly, so is my patience. I really want to enjoy myself in a cool game world, and this game looks all kinds of great. I'm on the fence about keeping it. Should I put it on Easy and try to enjoy? Or am I just in for a beating?
Thanks for the advice.
I picked it up today without knowing much more about it than what I saw from a few awesome-looking videos some months ago. Now, I've checked a few reviews and read that the game is quite difficult.
This worries me because I'm not a particularly skilled RPG player. Perhaps the only one I've ever beaten was Final Fantasy XIII, and I've only played VII and a few others such as Blue Dragon.
In addition, game time is tight these days and frankly, so is my patience. I really want to enjoy myself in a cool game world, and this game looks all kinds of great. I'm on the fence about keeping it. Should I put it on Easy and try to enjoy? Or am I just in for a beating?
Thanks for the advice.
NeonZ
Member
Are you sure you picked the right game? Soul Hackers is actually fairly easy compared to other SMT titles, but I'm not following reviews, so I don't know how the media received it.
Anyway, Soul Hackers is overall fun, but it's also an (enhanced) port of a Saturn game, and it can be seen as dated in some ways (the combat is turn based without any special feature, the movement in the dungeons is step by step, rather than free). However, it's a fairly fasted paced game where the enemies generally aren't very strong (and you can turn down difficulty anyway) and most dungeons aren't big, so they don't get tiring (unlike Strange Journey's). Well, there's one exception to that near the ending of the game.
Inactivate special effects during battles, they are useless and sometimes they freeze the game.
I'm so close to being completely done with this damn game!!. Starting to wish I had purchase Etrian Odyssey 4 instead. Being wiped out in two hits in random battles is insane. It's like no matter what I do I'm never prepared what is coming next regardless of how the last battle went.
This is seriously making me question picking up SMT 4. I have it preorded at NewEgg because I had a code from them for a discount. However if this is what the game is going to be like then to hell with it. I'll pick up something else in July.
This is seriously making me question picking up SMT 4. I have it preorded at NewEgg because I had a code from them for a discount. However if this is what the game is going to be like then to hell with it. I'll pick up something else in July.
Extra Sauce
Member
Actually I read several complaints in the SMT 4 thread that it was too easy, specifically some stuff you can abuse.
cj_iwakura
Member
I promise SMTIV is harder. Soul Hackers is generally considered one of the easier titles.
Yeah, I was about to say that I've heard conflicting reports because all I've heard is that SMTIV is pretty damn hard.
After playing for more than 20 hours, I've realized you can basically just be Nemissa and the Protagonist and win most battles. If you want to be careful, all you really need is one other demon on the front line and then it's a cake walk. Then when it comes to bosses you just summon 4 extra demons and beat the shit out of it.
I'm assuming SMTIV doesn't run into this problem, right?
I'm assuming SMTIV doesn't run into this problem, right?
Augemitbutter
Member
this game is actually too easy, since you can save anywhere. additionally, you can use the 3ds version hacks and turn it into baby mode. really, there is no real danger in this game. you don't have to live with any consequences. the only danger is in the cutscenes.
NeonZ
Member
I started playing Devil Survivor Overclocked after finishing this game, and it almost seems like an indirect sequel storywise. The characters speculate about other incidents being related to demons, and Comps existing elsewhere, and the Devil Auction competitors seem to be all phantom society members so far (+Yuichi and Six for some reason). On the other hand, (SH spoilers)
. And it can't be before or during Soul Hackers because Yucihi and Six certainly weren't summoning demons during the story. So, they're just cameos, in spite of the context fitting pretty well.
The issue with SMT4's difficulty apparently is supposed to be that every demon, even bosses, have elemental weakness. So, once you start getting spells of all elements and know their weakness, it's easy to exploit that, especially combined with the press turn system, which gives extra turns for hitting weakness, and the "smirk", which gives even more bonuses on top of that.
Finnegan and Judah Singh are there, even though they should be dead if this was actually after Soul Hackers
The issue with SMT4's difficulty apparently is supposed to be that every demon, even bosses, have elemental weakness. So, once you start getting spells of all elements and know their weakness, it's easy to exploit that, especially combined with the press turn system, which gives extra turns for hitting weakness, and the "smirk", which gives even more bonuses on top of that.
Picked this up yesterday, and it's my first Non-Persona SMT game. Browsing the thread, basic advice seems to be stack St/En on MC and Ma/En on the girl. Is there anything else that's good to know?
I've run into a bit of trouble because I'm constantly talking to the demons and getting freebies instead of fighting so I'm worried I might be getting under leveled.
I've run into a bit of trouble because I'm constantly talking to the demons and getting freebies instead of fighting so I'm worried I might be getting under leveled.
pleonasm?
More seriously, my advice:
- When exploring don't summon all your demons. 1 is enough. That way you'll always have MAG to expend on fusions and shops (you can convert it to yen).
- As soon as you'll have access to head gear that protects against death, wear it. It will protect you against insta death dark magic and petrification.
- The Zoma doesn't consume MAG and its loyality is always at max, so use him to explore the dungeons.
The game isn't hard at all as long as you pay attention.
Have fun.
cj_iwakura
Member
I'm pretty sure they're just cameos, but timeline wise, Survivor is definitely before Soul Hackers. Technology hasn't progressed as far.
kunonabi
Member
finished the game last night. I have to admit I wasn't blown away by it as I was hoping. I loved the music and the extra demon management with the personality and loyalty elements but I found the rest of it to be kind of lacking. The writing in the demon negotiations had me in stitches though.
Having been following this thread for over a month and finally granted privilege in my account to post, yes! -- SH is a very good work in my opinion,
- deep atmosphere due to wonderful BGM and cyberpunk design,
- with better headphone i managed to appreciate the excellent musics and voice acting, the singer in the new intro clip is good voice! (seems she also sang somewhere in Persona3 ?)
- the story flows naturally well without boring, expected development; sometimes even having unexpected encounters,
- fluent pace (unlike the slow Persona2 EP PSOne... if only there could still be a Persona2 EP in PSP Eng version, should speed up better like Persona2 IS PSP Eng version... or Atlus should consider to make an "integrated" Person2 IS + EP for PSP/PSV US in English? )
- surprised there are many many demons available for fusion,
- flexible options in difficulty, map display -- suits all experienced to newbies.
I only find 2 weaknesses, lack of random generation of demon skills during fusion, which could be highly addictive when trying many times for a desired combination of demon skills;
inconvenient display of description of demon background and magic skills.
My progress is slow yet enjoying, airport float. Still hesitating in making a good Zoma and a skilled weapon.
Looking forward to SMT IV Eng in mid-July! Viva Atlus
- deep atmosphere due to wonderful BGM and cyberpunk design,
- with better headphone i managed to appreciate the excellent musics and voice acting, the singer in the new intro clip is good voice! (seems she also sang somewhere in Persona3 ?)
- the story flows naturally well without boring, expected development; sometimes even having unexpected encounters,
- fluent pace (unlike the slow Persona2 EP PSOne... if only there could still be a Persona2 EP in PSP Eng version, should speed up better like Persona2 IS PSP Eng version... or Atlus should consider to make an "integrated" Person2 IS + EP for PSP/PSV US in English? )
- surprised there are many many demons available for fusion,
- flexible options in difficulty, map display -- suits all experienced to newbies.
I only find 2 weaknesses, lack of random generation of demon skills during fusion, which could be highly addictive when trying many times for a desired combination of demon skills;
inconvenient display of description of demon background and magic skills.
My progress is slow yet enjoying, airport float. Still hesitating in making a good Zoma and a skilled weapon.
Looking forward to SMT IV Eng in mid-July! Viva Atlus
Goddamn this cutscene boss. I have a bunch of demons that I think are good enough, but none of them follow my orders. What's the best way to train Sly demons?
My plan is to try to fuse some demons that reflect enough back at him so I wouldn't have to worry about disobeys. So far this has not worked very well. And yeah, the only demon I have that can cast the magic reflect spell is a) slow and b) never listens.
I had an easier time with Etrian 1 bosses.
cj_iwakura
Member
Yeah, I'm going to try to fuse some demons with some good attack magic spells because I'm lacking in that department. And then I'm going to get a better sword for my main guy because wow the sword I'm using now sucks.
Give them some Masamune sake to temporarily change their nature to "wild". That way they will gain loyalty just by attacking.
Good idea. I did manage to beat the boss just now though. It was fucking tense because he'd confuse my whole party and they wouldn't snap out of it until everyone was a turn away from death. A lot of the game systems came into place with this boss too and it was probably the most fun RPG turn based boss fight I've played in a long time. Summoning new demons after old ones died and moving them around to more strategic places and stuff. It was awesome.
Now I started
The third vision quest and I just died randomly during a battle because for some reason this chick doesn't have any demons with her.
Do I get to decide to kill either Tiamat or Apsu during this? And does it matter which one I end up killing if I can?
EDIT: I ended up killing
Tiamat, so this means the final boss will be weaker to physical attacks, right?
cj_iwakura
Member
My favorite was easily Sid Davis. Massive OG Devil Summoner fan service.
Velcro Fly
Member
Booted up my 3DS with this game inside and completely forgot I got two streetpass tags for this game while at Disney World! Talk about a fun surprise!
Just got through the
Still feel like I'm struggling a tiny bit but having
will help me out in the long run for sure. Not quite sure if I'll finish this before getting SMT4 though. I feel like I don't want to rush through the game but at the same time I still want to experience the story and characters. I'm playing on easy because I'm a wuss and don't want to face challenge in the game. I feel bad admitting that, but I am still enjoying the game even though it's a tiny bit on the easy side now. Doing it partly for the sake of backlog and partly because I'm struggling.
But I am enjoying the game so far! Even if it slipped into my backlog behind Animal Crossing and Donkey Kong Country Returns.
Just got through the
airport segments. I'm pretty pumped that I got Judah's demons, but I'm really sad that he met his end that way. From the little I got to play as him, I really enjoyed his character and his voice acting.
Still feel like I'm struggling a tiny bit but having
his demons
But I am enjoying the game so far! Even if it slipped into my backlog behind Animal Crossing and Donkey Kong Country Returns.
cj_iwakura
Member
If you keep at it, it's entirely possible you can finish it before SMT IV. It's not that long a game. Now, Project X Zone... yeesh.