[DF] Alan Wake Remaster: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S Compared to Xbox 360 Original!

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Developer Remedy Entertainment's 2010 classic gets the remaster treatment, at last bringing Alan Wake to PlayStation consoles - and all next-gen machines. Compared to the Xbox 360 original the remaster's improved lighting, textures and effects are all crucial to playing on the 4K displays of today. But can PS5 and Series X deliver on a 60FPS target? And are all changes strictly for the better? Tom finds out.
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Technical

What are the main technical features of Alan Wake Remastered?

Remastered 4K graphics at 60 FPS* gameplay
Redone cinematic cut-scenes with improved facial animation and lip sync
Richer environmental details (improved textures and additional geometry)
Enhanced character models with updated hair and skin shaders
Improved visual effects and lighting
*PS5 & Series X 60 fps / 4K

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Very little screen time for the actual PS5/XSX comparison. If i followed correctly they are running at the same resolution of 1440P (60FPS) with the main difference being full Vsync which is enabled only on PS5? As a side note, i found the strong/weird emphasis of Tom on "The Most Powerful Console on the market" a bit unnecessary and provocative.
 
Mr Moose said:
Technical

What are the main technical features of Alan Wake Remastered?

Remastered 4K graphics at 60 FPS* gameplay
Redone cinematic cut-scenes with improved facial animation and lip sync
Richer environmental details (improved textures and additional geometry)
Enhanced character models with updated hair and skin shaders
Improved visual effects and lighting
*PS5 & Series X 60 fps / 4K

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Reconstructed, most definitely

Terrible analysis from Tom, imo

Cuscenes arent just 30 fps, but they stutter. A lot. So the framerate seems even lower.

Didnt mention how different some of the textures are, changing the tone of some scenes.

Didnt mention lighting differences where the original sometimes look better than the newer version.
 
- Series X and PS5 are 1440p with 4X MSAA. Series S is 1080p. All three seem to have same settings. Textures, shadows and models have been upgraded compared to the original.

- Series X is almost a locked 60 fps a majority of the time, with some exception when it drops into the 50s or even 40s with screen tearing. Same issue can be found on Series S. PS5 has similar drops but no screen tearing.
 
I was playing last night (on Series X) and thought I saw some slight screen tearing on the top of the screen. Thought maybe I was just seeing things but I guess it was that. It's only happened once though.

Haven't noticed any dips from 60. Game looks good overall. Gonna play Control after this and hope the Alan Wake DLC isn't disappointing.
 
Summary:
  • Improved in many areas: 60 FPS, improved texture quality, characters, character design, shadows, assets, etc.
  • 1080p on Series S. 60 FPS most of the time. Drops to 50s and even mid-40s during fights and light sequences with heavy tearing. No V-sync.
  • 1440p on Series X. 60 FPS most of the time. Drops to 50s and even mid-40s during fights and light sequences with heavy tearing. No V-sync.
  • 1440p on PS5. 60. FPS most of the time. Drops to mid 50s (but never to mid-40s) during fights and light sequences, but with no tearing at all. V-sync is on.
  • All other settings on all consoles are the same.
  • PS5 also uses DualSense for simulating trigger effects, which is nice and packs a punch.
Overall, very nice improvements to the game. If you have both consoles, play it on a PS5 for better frame rates, zero tearing, lower file size, and DualSense implementation.
 
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4xMSAA at 1440p.
Impressive.
The PS5 VRR update needs to come out sooner rather than later.

Prerendered Cutscenes.....at 30fps?
What the fuck is wrong with devs....nobody wants this shit.

MisterXDTV said:
They just ported the PC version from 2012 to consoles doing minimal work... Lazy...
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They literally said that.
Its a port of the PC version with updated shaders, some models redone and textures.
So kinda like a Remaster........ohh wait what?
 
VRR saved the day once more.
I already finished the game + DLC episodes, and I had literally no idea these performance issues existed because with VRR you basically can't notice them
 
"60fps is the rule, but there are exceptions - big battles using the flare gun, for example, pull performance down to the 50s, and very, very occasionally under that. It's not a total deal-breaker but still, a surprise that the most powerful consoles on the market can't quite cut it. Both Xbox Series console also exhibit some tearing at the top of the screen. PS5 seems to behave similarly to Series X, the difference being that there's no tearing but a slightly higher degree of v-sync stutter."

From the text version on Eurogamer.
 
ethomaz said:
With 4xMSAA?
I could not find any benchmark using MSAA… I found some with FSAA that is way lighter.
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Good point, the benchmark I looked at doesn't use MSAA I think. Still, in that same benchmark, an RTX 2070S pushes 110 fps at 1440p, while a 5700XT only pushes 78 fps. Nvidia is way ahead here.
 
ethomaz said:
I just find weird some decisions…

- 4x MSAA instead native 4k
- 30fps cutscenes
- No VSync on Series
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MSAA was/is part of the rendering solution in the engine for transparencies.
Getting rid of it would have needed them to basically rewrite the renderer or rather do a full Remake.

30fps cutscenes are absolutely a joke. If they are gonna be prerendered what the fuck.

As for no Vsync probably relying on VRR to solve the drops....knowing they have drops.
Drops with Vsync are actually more noticeable than drops when Vsync is disabled.
 
DF still dropping MS marketing lines and referring to Series X as the more powerful console when it has yet to be displayed clear enough.

As for the game, the port looks a bit underwhelming for such a good game. Really enjoyed it on PC back in the day. I'll wait for it to be a PS+ game.
 
SoloKingRobert said:
*If you have a capable VRR monitor/TV play it on Xbox Series. It offers the best performance..
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I had no idea VRR actually increases a games performance, just that it matches the display refresh rate to the output of the game for a smoother looking on-screen display. Astounding piece of tech that it can actually increase a framerate too. No wonder Riky sings its praises, we should all listen.
 
Should be compared to PC version and not 360 but anyway - I prefer how original looks. Remaster looks flatter and characters look like if someone shat in their mouths
 
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This month I see a lot of people saying in a few situations that the PS5 was worse despite the higher framerate because it had tearing. Now we have this came in VSync on the PS5 but not on the SeX, so I understand that those same people will say that the PS5 is have the advantage here? (plus 53fps vs 50fps low on that same three enemies with the flare)

I don't like how thin the fog looks in this new version.
 
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Negotiator101 said:
Tom said the PS5 version has worse framerate of the next gen consoles, not sure what that guy is talking about?
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Why didn't he show it then?
He said this:
Riky said:
"60fps is the rule, but there are exceptions - big battles using the flare gun, for example, pull performance down to the 50s, and very, very occasionally under that. It's not a total deal-breaker but still, a surprise that the most powerful consoles on the market can't quite cut it. Both Xbox Series console also exhibit some tearing at the top of the screen. PS5 seems to behave similarly to Series X, the difference being that there's no tearing but a slightly higher degree of v-sync stutter."

From the text version on Eurogamer.
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And didn't show it worse on PS5.
 
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Epic Sax CEO said:
This month I see a lot of people saying in a few situations that the PS5 was worse despite the higher framerate because it had tearing. Now we have this came in VSync on the PS5 but not on the SeX, so I understand that those same people will say that the PS5 is have the advantage here? (plus 53fps vs 50fps low on that same three enemies with the flare)

I don't like how thin the fog looks in this new version.
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People are trying too hard to find differences. And there are examples where PS5 is worse, it drops to mid 50s while walking over the log, while XSX is locked 60 there.

Both versions are the same. If you really have both XSX and PS5, pick the former if you have VRR and the latter if you don't (for triggers).
 
Heisenberg007 said:
Summary:
  • Improved in many areas: 60 FPS, improved texture quality, characters, character design, shadows, assets, etc.
  • 1080p on Series S. 60 FPS most of the time. Drops to 50s and even mid-40s during fights and light sequences with heavy tearing. No V-sync.
  • 1440p on Series X. 60 FPS most of the time. Drops to 50s and even mid-40s during fights and light sequences with heavy tearing. No V-sync.
  • 1440p on PS5. 60. FPS most of the time. Drops to mid 50s (but never to mid-40s) during fights and light sequences, but with no tearing at all. V-sync is on.
  • All other settings on all consoles are the same.
  • PS5 also uses DualSense for simulating trigger effects, which is nice and packs a punch.
Overall, very nice improvements to the game. If you have both consoles, play it on a PS5 for better frame rates, zero tearing, and DualSense implementation.
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Not so sure on that. Ps5 seems to be dropping when SX is not. Eg when he is walking towards the and across the tree. So until we have a VG Tech spreadsheet on framerates we don't know.

 
01011001 said:
he did show it. the Xbox version only drops during heavy scenes, in the PS5 scenes you can sew it drop into the mid 50s even while simply walking through the woods
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But X drops harder (47) in the part with the flare.
10:48 and 11:59.
It drops in the woods as soon as the framerate footage starts on X when nothing is happening, but when there's shadow people things a few seconds later it doesn't, weird game.
 
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Heisenberg007 said:
Summary:
  • Improved in many areas: 60 FPS, improved texture quality, characters, character design, shadows, assets, etc.
  • 1080p on Series S. 60 FPS most of the time. Drops to 50s and even mid-40s during fights and light sequences with heavy tearing. No V-sync.
  • 1440p on Series X. 60 FPS most of the time. Drops to 50s and even mid-40s during fights and light sequences with heavy tearing. No V-sync.
  • 1440p on PS5. 60. FPS most of the time. Drops to mid 50s (but never to mid-40s) during fights and light sequences, but with no tearing at all. V-sync is on.
  • All other settings on all consoles are the same.
  • PS5 also uses DualSense for simulating trigger effects, which is nice and packs a punch.
Overall, very nice improvements to the game. If you have both consoles, play it on a PS5 for better frame rates, zero tearing, and DualSense implementation.
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Thanks for the summary.

Been looking to pick this up. Looks like PS5 is the way to go.
 
Mr Moose said:
But X drops harder (47) in the part with the flare.
10:48 and 11:59.
It drops in the woods as soon as the framerate footage starts on X when nothing is happening, but when there's shadow people things a few seconds later it doesn't, weird game.
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it is weird for sure. this game should run perfectly locked tbh, I wonder how the remaster runs on PC hardware.
since it's the same engine as the original just with some additional flourishes, you'd think anything should he able to run this at 4K 60fps locked.

I am so glad I have a freesync capable TV tbh as I have not noticed any of this really
but it is sad that we need TV tech to fix shortcomings like this
 
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01011001 said:
it is weird for sure. this game should run perfectly locked tbh, I wonder how the remaster runs on PC hardware.
since it's the same engine as the original just with some additional flourishes, you'd think anything should he able to run this at 4K 60fps locked.

I am so glad I have a freesync capable TV tbh as I have not noticed any of this really
but it is sad that we need TV tech to fix shortcomings like this
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They said it did, the little liars :messenger_weary:

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Technical

What are the main technical features of Alan Wake Remastered?
  • Remastered 4K graphics at 60 FPS* gameplay
  • Redone cinematic cut-scenes with improved facial animation and lip sync
  • Richer environmental details (improved textures and additional geometry)
  • Enhanced character models with updated hair and skin shaders
  • Improved visual effects and lighting
    *PS5 & Series X 60 fps / 4K
    *PS4 Pro / Xbox One X offer a 60 fps Performance and 30 fps Quality mode (included in Day 1 patch)
But then:
Platform / Render Resolution / Output Resolution / target frame-rate

PlayStation 4 – 1080p / 1080p / 30fps
PlayStation 4 Pro (Performance Mode) – 1080p / 1080p / 60fps
PlayStation 4 Pro (Quality Mode) – 1296p / 2160p (4K) / 30fps / 4 x MSAA
Xbox One – 900p / 900p / 30fps
Xbox One X (Performance Mode) – 1080p / 1080p / 60fps
Xbox One X (Quality Mode) – 1440p / 2160p (4K) / 30fps / 4 x MSAA
PlayStation 5 – 1440p / 2160p (4K) / 60fps / 4X MSAA
Xbox Series X – 1440p / 2160p (4K) / 60fps / 4 X MSAA
Xbox Series S – 1080p / 1080p / 60fps
PC – 4K / unlimited

Sneaky, using the "output resolution", not even sure that is the case with the Series X version since it supports 1440p screens.
Series S doesn't use MSAA?
 
Mr Moose said:
But X drops harder (47) in the part with the flare.
10:48 and 11:59.
It drops in the woods as soon as the framerate footage starts on X when nothing is happening, but when there's shadow people things a few seconds later it doesn't, weird game.
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The guy doing the comparison said the PS5 version has a worse framerate, just let it go you can't win the argument. He is not going out of his way to show the lowest points on each version he's just showing each version at different points in the game. The fact you don't believe what he said just shows how deluded you are, it's a console mate not a family member 😉
 
Negotiator101 said:
The guy doing the comparison said the PS5 version has a worse framerate, just let it go you can't win the argument. He is not going out of his way to show the lowest points on each version he's just showing each version at different points in the game. The fact you don't believe what he said just shows how deluded you are, it's a console mate not a family member 😉
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Heavier drops (lower) on Series consoles, but more drops on PS5.
 
I find funny that bright greenie plant bug at the dark scenes. Totally not out of place and totally doesn't bothers the mood haha
 
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