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[J_Gamer.exe]

Totally. And even better, Series X gives gamers an option between two modes. PS5 can't handle that.

It's amazing how fan warriors like Agnostic can cherry pick certain criteria based in any game comparison videos. He's got an excuse for everything

Video 1: PS5 wins because it has higher res! (even though Xbox has better assets or NPC density)

Video 2: PS5 wins because it has higher frame rate! (even though Xbox has two modes to choose from including a rock solid 30 quality mode, and he uploads images of only the parts PS5 shows a higher FPS count). There was one image in a different game thread he did this, and another GAF user uploaded an image he snipped showing Xbox FPS higher in a different scene just to prove how dumb these cherry picked FPS images are

Video 3: It looks like Xbox has better load times and the game seems better on Series X..... Well, that's because it's a last gen cross port so it doesn't count!

Ps5 cant handle it, are you on a wind up or what? It cant handle a quality mode? Strange hill to die on LOL.

Its shown to be more then capable, matches and mostly beat the series x in next gen games, yet people like you are using a game running essentially in bc mode and making all sorts of claims and claiming wins based on hardware power.

Its no wonder you xbox fans get such bad reactions when your consistently proven wrong as you just set yourselves up for disappointment and never ever learn.

Its like you lot cant help it. Undeterred by seeing ps5 beat series x in games designed more to use the hardware now suddenly the xbox is showing its potential based on a bc mode game No its a bc game using pro and x modes largely.

As df said as it stands, ps5 for better performance at higher res, series x for quality mode and higher crowds etc.

This is not an indication of the capability of the hardware yet as its not a next gen patch.

The next gen version, would anyone be surprised if it ran in line with other games we've seen, either very close performance on both or slight win for ps5.

Thats what the data has shown so far largely and there's a reason for that, its a superior machine.

Its pretty simple.

 

[Krisprolls]

Performance matters most to me. From what I've seen the PS5 is the best place to play if I were to game on console. Luckily DLSS lets me run this game with great graphics and a relatively clear image compared to what we are seeing on console.

I'm wondering how much a next gen patch can even help. If we are getting frame drops on PS5 at this resolution and graphics settings then that suggests to me there isn't much headroom to improve the visuals.

Thoughts?

Nah, it's just a PS4 game. PS5 runs Miles Morales at Dynamic 4k / 60 fps with Raytracing so there's a lot of headroom here, but you need to make it a real ps5 game (using custom geometry engine, specific caches and so on...)

People need to calm down with DLSS, it's just a good reconstruction technique which sometimes blurs the image too much and make it look bad like on WD Legion.

Consoles have great reconstruction techniques too, beware Nvidia marketing. Look at Miles at 60 fps 4k dyn and RT, it didn't need DLSS to achieve at launch what most PC couldn't do.

It's ironic how pc gamers suddenly became the champions of reconstruction techniques, while when CB rendering was introduced on PS4 pro it was all about native vs "fake" 4k.

 

[skneogaf]

Cyberpunk on Xbox Series X ‘has the best console visual quality by some margin’ | VGC

Digital Foundry analyses the game’s performance on next-gen consoles…

www.videogameschronicle.com

The professional opinions keep racking up.

 

[Silent Viper]

Xbox Series offers the better performance thx to VVR.
Surely, Joe Biden has put the PS5 version in Covid Lockdown

Drop stays for a millisecond then goes back to normal

Taking screenshots like this without posting full details is your attempt to create false narrative and bait people.

 

[SoloKingRobert]

Drop stays for a millisecond then goes back to normal

Taking screenshots like this without posting full details is your attempt to create false narrative and bait people.

My previous post was a joke

 

[Andodalf]

Can anyone explain why assassin's creed were able to do large crowds well in cities like unity.... but games like GTA and Cyberpunk fail to have any form of crowds. I don't remember unity having big performance dips either.

I'd love for these big cities to have big crowds

There's a couple points here, the first of which is performance. AC unity is an incredibly CPU heavy game even today. GTA and Cyberpunk go way beyond it in other aspects of their simulation, so even with newer tech big crowds are tough. Unity also did a lot to "fake" the largest crowds. They only stand in certain areas and many of the members of the crowd are really run as one AI instead of individuals. This saves on performance, but delivers an experience that simply isn't what other games are going for. AC unities largest crowds are more like the fans in NBA 2K than the crowds in GTA or cyberpunk.

 

[Riky]

Ps5 will run it better when the 30 FPS mode as well when it arrives, low fixed clock on XSX and under utilised CU and too many CU in shader array to be of any use other than what it was designed for, a server blade. Ps5 GPU is better for gaming, XSX for mining.

Just as well Ps5 does not have a 30 FPS mode or they have the same settings otherwise it would be ps5 about 5-10 % better as usual, and you would have no argument.

As the settings are different, we cant compare, you will have to wait for your loss.

The next gen patch will be mostly be about Ray Tracing and XSX will have a massive advantage as it's got a next gen amount of compute units. So let's wait and see, XSX has outperformed PS5 in every ray tracing comparison so far and this will be no different.

 

[who_me]

Nah, it's just a PS4 game. PS5 runs Miles Morales at Dynamic 4k / 60 fps with Raytracing so there's a lot of headroom here, but you need to make it a real ps5 game (using custom geometry engine, specific caches and so on...)

Stop... miles is 4K 30 with raytracing or 1440p 60 with raytracing (with dialed back settings). No dynamic 4k 60 with raytracing

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It only manages these very small resolution and frame rate advantages because they took most of the cars and people out when they put the rest of the moving parts of the city in it will tank because of small GPU, slower CPU and lower peak memory bandwidth.

Both Xbox modes look better than PS5. PS5 is barren.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Its literally just BC mode. You can only buy it for last gen systems

The desperation on show from some xbox fans here, so desperate after all their bragging to try and save some face is unbelievable and hilarious. They never learn and it always come back to bite them twice as hard.

Its like all the previous data from other comparisons is gone and suddenly here it is, full rdna2 with tools, Phil is right, its almost like a cult for some lol.

 

[assurdum]

Thanks to vrr and rdna2+ xss beats ps5 by a landslide.
This isnt even fair anymore. The turning point has arrived.

Man this fucking pandemic has really devasted some people. The sense of reality seems completely gone.

 

[SlimySnake]

Major win for xbox.
This is the rdna2 turning point.

I dont normally give LOL reactions to posts but this is a hysterical post for all the wrong reasons.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Ps5 cant handle it, are you on a wind up or what? It cant handle a quality mode? Strange hill to die on LOL.

Its shown to be more then capable, matches and mostly beat the series x in next gen games, yet people like you are using a game running essentially in bc mode and making all sorts of claims and claiming wins based on hardware power.

Its no wonder you xbox fans get such bad reactions when your consistently proven wrong as you just set yourselves up for disappointment and never ever learn.

Its like you lot cant help it. Undeterred by seeing ps5 beat series x in games designed more to use the hardware now suddenly the xbox is showing its potential based on a bc mode game No its a bc game using pro and x modes largely.

As df said as it stands, ps5 for better performance at higher res, series x for quality mode and higher crowds etc.

This is not an indication of the capability of the hardware yet as its not a next gen patch.

The next gen version, would anyone be surprised if it ran in line with other games we've seen, either very close performance on both or slight win for ps5.

Thats what the data has shown so far largely and there's a reason for that, its a superior machine.

Its pretty simple.

It's OK man.

I'm sure you can handle Xbox winning a video game comparison. Not the end of the world.

 

[assurdum]

Stop... miles is 4K 30 with raytracing or 1440p 60 with raytracing (with dialed back settings). No dynamic 4k 60 with raytracing

Source? From what I have understood it's dynamic as AC Valhalla where the more common resolution is around 1440p

 

[M1chl]

It only manages these very small resolution and frame rate advantages because they took most of the cars and people out when they put the rest of the moving parts of the city in it will tank because of small GPU, slower CPU and lower peak memory bandwidth.

Yeah looks about right, bad thing is that, none of this matters because pedestrians are just annoying barriers on the street.

 

[Aceofspades]

You know its bad when green team is jumping in joy because XSX has a stable 30fps mode ! (A mode missing completely from PS5) all while have lower resolutions and fps in performance mode.

All that in a mere BC mode that is not indicative of anything...

Man it sucks to be on Xbox side these days

Edit: whats even worse is some PS5 (PS4 pro) issues has been addressed already, so this thread is basically old info.

 

[skneogaf]

My previous post was a joke

Wow!

 

[Bogroll]

May as well close this thread as DF needs to make a new video with the new patch out for everyone.

 

[SlimySnake]

Totally. And even better, Series X gives gamers an option between two modes. PS5 can't handle that.

nonsense and you have been here long enough to know that.

here is a list of PS5 games that can "handle" two modes.

- demon souls
- spiderman
- ac valhalla
- dirt 5
- cod cold war

Literally every BC game with a performance mode. the only reason why the ps5 doesnt have a quality mode is because cd project in their infinite wisdom didnt put one in there.

 

[assurdum]

It's OK man.

I'm sure you can handle Xbox winning a video game comparison. Not the end of the world.

No offence but we are really so desperate to call a win a multiplat which runs in a BC mode and it doesn't have even a dedicate graphic setting for the next generation console? Probably series X will have a slight edge in the future multiplat if it's the premise of what will happen to some people, it's not a good sign.

 

[skneogaf]

Man this fucking pandemic has really devasted some people. The sense of reality seems completely gone.

The pandemic has also ruined night city on ps5 as nobody is outside!

 

[StreetsofBeige]

No offence but we are really so desperate to call a win a multiplat which runs in a BC mode and it doesn't have even a dedicate graphic setting for the next generation console?

Exactly the response I expected. And I wrote that less than an hour ago.

Video 3: It looks like Xbox has better load times and the game seems better on Series X..... Well, that's because it's a last gen cross port so it doesn't count!

 

[RaySoft]

Its literally just BC mode. You can only buy it for last gen systems

Actually he's right.. The PS4 version (according to DF) turns off it's framecap when it's running on PS5 hardware.
Kinda bizarre looking back on the PS5 patent some time ago, for PS5 BC mode, where the PS5 would determine wich mode (of itself: PS4/Pro) it would represent back to the game.
I wonder how CDPR did it though.. Maybe running a small codeloop on the CPU and choose version based on the result. (zen2 cores being way faster than jag's)
'Cause I don't think Sony made some environment variable available to the devs.

 

[Krisprolls]

Stop... miles is 4K 30 with raytracing or 1440p 60 with raytracing (with dialed back settings). No dynamic 4k 60 with raytracing

No, they just introduced a third mode in the latest patch, RT and 60 fps. There's a thread about it if you want to read.

 

[assurdum]

Exactly the response I expected.

Who says it doesn't count but it's practically the one X version Vs the pro with the 60 fps mode. Come on now there is nothing to joy, it's a lazy effort in all the fronts.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

The next gen patch will be mostly be about Ray Tracing and XSX will have a massive advantage as it's got a next gen amount of compute units. So let's wait and see, XSX has outperformed PS5 in every ray tracing comparison so far and this will be no different.

Have you watched any of the ray tracing analysis we've already had? Ps5 was better in cod, similar in dmc in that mode. Can't remember many others but prob missing some.... observer system redux had rt on ps5 not on seriex. And still perform better with rt on.

Observer: System Redux is Simply Better on PS5 Than Xbox Series X

Thanks to a ray tracing toggle and more, the PS5 version of Observer: System Redux is notably better than its Xbox Series X counterpart.

www.gamespew.com

But in a lot of cases should be close, with each having specific advantages.

Seriex x apparantly can bounce more rays less but ps5 can bounce less rays more due to clocks. The caching in ps5 may help also....

As it happens both methods seem fairly similar so far.

 

[who_me]

No, they just introduced a third mode in the latest patch, RT and 60 fps. There's a thread about it if you want to read.

But it is not 4K like you said it maxes at 1440p

 

[Yoboman]

Actually he's right.. The PS4 version (according to DF) turns off it's framecap when it's running on PS5 hardware.
Kinda bizarre looking back on the PS5 patent some time ago, for PS5 BC mode, where the PS5 would determen wich mode (of itself: PS4/Pro) it woult represent back to the game.
I wonder how CDPR did it though.. Maybe running a small codeloop on the CPU and choose version based on the result. (zen2 cores being way faster than jag's)
'Cause I don't think Sony made some environment variable available to the devs.

How does that change it from being BC mode? BC modes can leverage some boost features specific to platform, but they are still running games coded native to last gen system

 

[RaySoft]

My

How does that change it from being BC mode? BC modes can leverage some boost features specific to platform, but they are still running games coded native to last gen system

It dosen't change it being BC mode no.. But this is the only "self-aware" game yet that knows it's running on a PS5 rather than a PS4/Pro (even though it's in BC mode)
So it's kinda funny, since the PS5 is created in such a way that it's supposed to "trick" games running on it to beleive it's running on an actual PS4 or PS4 Pro hardware.
Here, the Cyberpunk game says; Thx PS5

 

[Riky]

Have you watched any of the ray tracing analysis we've already had? Ps5 was better in cod, similar in dmc in that mode. Can't remember many others but prob missing some.... observer system redux had rt on ps5 not on seriex. And still perform better with rt on.

Observer: System Redux is Simply Better on PS5 Than Xbox Series X

Thanks to a ray tracing toggle and more, the PS5 version of Observer: System Redux is notably better than its Xbox Series X counterpart.

www.gamespew.com

But in a lot of cases should be close, with each having specific advantages.

Seriex x apparantly can bounce more rays less but ps5 can bounce less rays more due to clocks. The caching in ps5 may help also....

As it happens both methods seem fairly similar so far.

Yes I've watched them all.

In DMC5 RT modes Xbox wins.
In COD RT mode the PS5 tanks to 40fps in several playable set pieces.
In Watch Dogs the puddle reflections are missing on PS5.

So XSX wins every single one.

 

[assurdum]

But it is not 4K like you said it maxes at 1440p

Again where do you read that? From what I have understood the resolution is dynamic in this game .

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Wow!

Look at that resolution bump for Team Blue!

 

[M1chl]

Lso funny to see how the magical SSD perform worse than XSX. Funny, how talks about SSD and Tempest died down....

 

[Krisprolls]

But it is not 4K like you said it maxes at 1440p

That's what dynamic 4k means, it's reconstructed from lower res, 1440p for example. As usual. Reconstructing from 1440p is pretty good. Difference with native 4k is pretty small.

Nobody plays in native 4k anymore even on PC, so I'm not sure what your point is. DLSS is also reconstructing from lower.

The point is it makes both raytracing and 60 fps simultaneously in a huge open world game. At launch. PS5 is extremely powerful.

If you care to optimize for it, it can clearly run Cyberpunk a lot better than what we saw on this ps4 version.

Although I think it actually looks and runs "okay" since the 1.04 patch...

 

[AnotherOne]

Did they do this comparison before or after the patch that just hit? According to the patch notes they fixed performance issues and vehicle pop in etc.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Totally. And even better, Series X gives gamers an option between two modes. PS5 can't handle that.

It's amazing how fan warriors like Agnostic can cherry pick certain criteria based in any game comparison videos. He's got an excuse for everything

Video 1: PS5 wins because it has higher res! (even though Xbox has better assets or NPC density)

Video 2: PS5 wins because it has higher frame rate! (even though Xbox has two modes to choose from including a rock solid 30 quality mode, and he uploads images of only the parts PS5 shows a higher FPS count). There was one image in a different game thread he did this, and another GAF user uploaded an image he snipped showing Xbox FPS higher in a different scene just to prove how dumb these cherry picked FPS images are

Video 3: It looks like Xbox has better load times and the game seems better on Series X..... Well, that's because it's a last gen cross port so it doesn't count!

PS5 can't handle it boy cut your shit lol

Ya'll bragging about a last gen game running in backwards compatibility.

This game is still in beta. It runs like ass on all platforms

 

[assurdum]

The desperation on show from some xbox fans here, so desperate after all their bragging to try and save some face is unbelievable and hilarious. They never learn and it always come back to bite them twice as hard.

Its like all the previous data from other comparisons is gone and suddenly here it is, full rdna2 with tools, Phil is right, its almost like a cult for some lol.

I don't think they are serious. God I really hope so.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

It's OK man.

I'm sure you can handle Xbox winning a video game comparison. Not the end of the world.

Certainly can, but ita about calling the facts, if I see xbox win a game where its not just a bc mode and its running the higher res and framerate etc ill happily call it, I'll say yep this game is better on xbox and the extra grunt is showing here.

But we havent seen that at all really ,, on any game so far.

Infact the opposite, the ps5 has been at higher framerates and sometimes res and details too.

So no, forgive me if I'm not just going to discard actual known facts and jump on a bandwagon because of a game running a bc mode of x and pro versions and not utilising either hardware fully.

As said xbox has that quality mode its nice but its not something ps5 cant do. If people prefer that and lower fps go that route.

If you like higher performance and res but slightly lower crowds density then go ps5 route.

Its not ideal on both, a next gen version should have both higher res and higher density and 60fps option and quality.

Ps5 has shown it can handle loads on screen due to insane clocks and fillrate etc so I'd wait before casting conclusions and basing it on hardware, its daft.

Each has a benefit for now, but its not some indication of hardware as some suggest, we've seen many tests already remember.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

PS5 can't handle it boy cut your shit lol

Ya'll bragging about a last gen game running in backwards compatibility.

This game is still in beta. It runs line ass on all platforms

Its as daft as saying on a bc game where ps4 ran 1080p and xbox one ran 900p. When seriex x plays the game it still only 900p as thats all it can handle.


No no no.

 

[wachie]

PS5 wins again, the trend keeps going.

 

[SlimySnake]

Performance mode runs worse on Series X than PS5 and also at a lower res? What? 1188 vs 1080.

Cyberblurry 2077 the game.

Edit: even the Series S has a higher res at points. So this is just CDPR's mess. This game is such a piece of tech shit. On consoles.

you get a lot more crowd, detail and more cars on the xsx even in performance mode. thats why its dropping frames despite the lower resolution. its just doing more.

 

[Jtibh]

Man this fucking pandemic has really devasted some people. The sense of reality seems completely gone.

I am at ikea right now.
All sense of reality is long gone 20 minutes ago

 

[Gudji]

PS5 wins again, the trend keeps going.

Best console has the best version, news at 11.

 

[Romulus]

Cyberpunk on Xbox Series X ‘has the best console visual quality by some margin’ | VGC

Digital Foundry analyses the game’s performance on next-gen consoles…

www.videogameschronicle.com

The professional opinions keep racking up.

I would hope so, basically it's X1X versus PS4 Pro backwards compatibility, which X1X is the clear winner unlike XSX versus PS5

 

[pratyush]

Some of you are so thick that it's not even funny anymore. Countless time in the video they explained how game is basically the same version as last gen and carries over the same settings. Xbox one X version being better than PRO isn't suprising and this shows in NPC numbers in next gen also.

Also it's not the first time MS has paid game developer to actually reduce competitior quality so that it can match the might of Xbox one. It seems like most only know Microsoft from Xbox. So asking for extra mode on XSX which isn't there on PS5 is not something that is beyond Microsoft. This isn't BC stuff as Xbox one X doesn't have this. So please stop embarrassing yourself and don't jump to any conclusions to defend your favourite plastic.

All these "ooh where is SSD and tempest" comments is quite frankly embarrassing and for your sake I hope those who are making this are 12 year old.

 

[jroc74]

Not arguing really. I'm just here for the excuses, 180s, and salty tears.

Over a next gen console running this game via BC?

Whatever makes you feel better, I guess.

All this tells me is not to expect extra for PS4 games running BC on PS5 unless it's PS4 exclusive, even then not to expect much.

The next gen version analysis will be interesting...

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

The pandemic has also ruined night city on ps5 as nobody is outside!

It also seems to have forced the devs to keep series x in performance mode at a lower res and worse performance, working from home i guess....if only they had access to the tools in the office......

 

[Snake29]

You must be getting desperate for the wins in team green, if the only "small" wins are only in BC mode. This game runs like a "dream" in 60fps so i wouldn't even go for that 30 mode in general.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

PS5 can't handle it boy cut your shit lol

Ya'll bragging about a last gen game running in backwards compatibility.

This game is still in beta. It runs like ass on all platforms

Its as daft as saying on a bc game where ps4 ran 1080p and xbox one ran 900p. When seriex x plays the game it still only 900p as thats all it can handle.


No no no.

I purposely didnt respond right away because I wanted to see how idiotic you two were going to go on for.

Of course I was bein sarcastic in that first sentence. CDR will probably add a second mode for PS5 in a patch.

But good to see you two eat up console wars.

As I said, relax. Not the end of the world 2077 on Series X is looking good.

 

[jroc74]

Its literally just BC mode. You can only buy it for last gen systems

Exactly.

I think what we see here is one of the stages of grief.

Whatever they did for the game, it's still a PS4, XBO game. Literally run in BC.