Well no, if it did you wouldn't be doing it, right? Besides the fact that we'll be spending probably 5x as much on repairs, though, these deaths eat up a lot of time, as does the tactics sometimes required to kill champs (i.e. you are kiting three times as much as necessary because you can't afford to take even trivial damage). When survivability stats actually start working as a buffer not just against death but allowing you to mitigate that lost time that piles up, it starts to become pretty attractive. The only reason this strategy is actually prominent rather than just viable is because that trade-off isn't working efficiently specifically in regards to time. Part of the reason enemy health is going down along with enemy damage output is specifically to reduce the value of your damage output along with increasing the value of your TTL via their damage output nerf.
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Well no, if it did you wouldn't be doing it, right? Besides the fact that we'll be spending probably 5x as much on repairs, though, these deaths eat up a lot of time, as does the tactics sometimes required to kill champs (i.e. you are kiting three times as much as necessary because you can't afford to take even trivial damage). When survivability stats actually start working as a buffer not just against death but allowing you to mitigate that lost time that piles up, it starts to become pretty attractive. The only reason this strategy is actually prominent rather than just viable is because that trade-off isn't working efficiently specifically in regards to time. Part of the reason enemy health is going down along with enemy damage output is specifically to reduce the value of your damage output along with increasing the value of your TTL via their damage output nerf.
cpp_is_king
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After the change, melee will be able to focus less on survivability. Thats the point. Closing the gap. Not making the gap equal to 0 in a simgle patch.
One thing at a time. After the effects of the changes can be seen on a global scale, then they can go make more adjustments, if necessary
blainethemono
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You know about elective mode right? Just asking after looking at your builds
Here's the build I like to use in inferno, totally ripped from Kripp:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WSPTVk!egb!acZbcc
Revenge + Furious Charge are really good for keeping you alive, and wrath + earthquake is amazing for killing elite packs. Sometimes in groups I switch to something with ground stomp and leap, but I mainly stick to this build and its been working well so far. I'm not able to do anything in act 2 as of yet though, need more gear first
Very interesting. I'm a level 51 monk playing with my friends when we get the chance. We'll be running as a Wizard, Witch Doctor and myself, and I've been looking for builds that I'll end up needing in inferno (or when Hell starts needing someone tanky). I'm bookmarking this and will give it a try when the time comes.
Awesome. Let me know how it goes for you. For me it means the champs in Act 1 don't do squat to me. I can now tank a good amount in Act 2, too. The only thing is your clicker fingers get really tired going back and forth like that. I need to switch one of those to a button or something.
But, yeah, with some good mitigation gear it seems to help quite a bit.
Gaylord Sweetwood
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I don't even want to see what the RMAH is going to look like on Day 1.
Speaking of RMAH, anyone planning on using it? I have no issues spending $5-20 on it every few weeks, hell I make plenty more than that at my job and I don't buy any games (only play D3 and Dota 2). I'll definitely wait until it dies down a bit though, there's no doubt that it's going to be overpriced at first.
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Deleted member 17706
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I don't understand how you're interpreting it that way.
He's saying that the current mentality is that, even if you do spend a ton of money on defensive gear, you'll get one-shot anyway, so people just say "fuck it" and go balls out DPS gear.
What he's saying is that, after the patch, a modest amount of defensive gear (not tens of millions of gold, obviously) will prevent your ranged guy from getting killed in one hit.
RiccochetJ
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Sweet! Inferno Butcher down! Onto Act II! Surely the mobs can't hit as hard as everybo..... AHHHH! TINY INSECTS!!!!
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Deleted member 17706
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I know they'd never do it, but I think it would be awesome if there was a way to tell if a piece of gear a player had equipped came from the RMAH.
Is there a way to kill the butcher that doesn't require luck?
My witch doctor with 24k dps just gets tossed around. For one, the butcher can and will kill you while you're in spirit walk, and sadly my wd is also not fast enough to get out of the way of his multi-chain whip attack either.
Guess I'm just frustrated because I find it stupid that spirit walk is reduced to nothing in the fight because he ignores it and kills you anyway.
My witch doctor with 24k dps just gets tossed around. For one, the butcher can and will kill you while you're in spirit walk, and sadly my wd is also not fast enough to get out of the way of his multi-chain whip attack either.
Guess I'm just frustrated because I find it stupid that spirit walk is reduced to nothing in the fight because he ignores it and kills you anyway.
That really is the most hilarious contrast of the game. Have fun absolutely destroying that huge scary butcher? Well, have fun getting slaughtered before you can think by a tiny insect right afterward. I literally walked out and promptly died my first time in Act 2. Didn't even get a hit in.
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His normal close-range melee attacks are extremely weak.
You just have to dodge his power attack where he stamps the ground a few times first. You also have to avoid the charge attack and the floor catching on fire. That's it.
If you can survive his normal melee attacks while keeping yourself healed (not hard at all with modest Life on Hit), just fight him close-range and he's a pushover.
The multi-chain one is probably the most trickiest. Honestly, if I were you I'd just go buy some vit/res all equip cheaply and lose some damage for this fight just so you can survive one of those hits. He normally telegraphs his attack pretty well and if you have decent reactions you can avoid the "get over here" move and the charge very easily.
I'm trying not to flood this thread with weapon appraisals but I just bought my very first thing and I think I got a pretty good deal though I still spent more money than I thought I ever would. Someone was selling this through the general chat (on the right)...
I paid 300k for it which seems like a lot but I've never seen anything with damage over 1,000, or even close to it for that matter. Plus I've saved my money till now (level 59) so I have a decent amount to spend.
I paid 300k for it which seems like a lot but I've never seen anything with damage over 1,000, or even close to it for that matter. Plus I've saved my money till now (level 59) so I have a decent amount to spend.
Speaking of my build specifically, most deaths come when enemies (plural) come out of absolutely nowhere and rip me to shreds. Two soul rippers for instance, or the jumpers from act 2, the big ugly red guys (or the angels) from Act 4, etc. It's not something I can mitigate, control, or foresee. If you cut their damage by half I'd still get destroyed. Making my build able to take one or two hits from junk mobs is worthless when a champ is still going to come in with plague/fire/etc and kill me.
I understand how this is helpful to melee, but as a DH specifically (not a Wizard, as I can't speak for them) I don't know how this is helpful, or how this gives me any more options than I had before.
Like I said previously, the only real way to tank as a DH is Opiate's Shadow Power build, which trades one discipline centric survivability path for another. If this helps that build, then DH's now have two options instead of one. Having two options total is a problem.
This is undoubtedly great for melee characters though.
Did you buy the staff? If so, you got taken for a ride methinks.
This. I really dont see how this isnt understood. The idea is that even a modest amount of defensive gear lets you survive a few hits, and that if you spent a ton on defensive gear you would survive a ton of hits. Thats the goal, to make survivability an option.
Right now, no set of gear no matter how defensive as a DH will stop an offscreen soul leecher from one shotting you if you dont know its coming. And if you did manage to get gear that prevented that one shot, your dps would be in the gutter right there with most melee. These changes they are proposing are very very very clearly a step in the right direction.
Doh. Ya, I bought it from someone advertising it over the general chat. I lost some protection but gained over 8k in damage for my wizard..i only do 10k right now so it's a pretty big boost for me.
1k two-handers were dirt cheap on the AH last I checked =/
MomoPufflet
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My first decent rare. What's the value if I put it up-- about 1mil? More/less?
Ok I basically farmed a bit today on hell ( 
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DPS 17k, HP 45k, armor 7.5k
I plan on increasing my DPS to approx 23k
I'm a little pissed that almost all high stat for barbs/all resist is in such stupid demand that it's hard to buy anything worth owning
I predict I'll jump into inferno and get slaughtered still
) and got myself resistances of 45-50% damage reduction across the board of elements (that's a 15-20% increase) and 72% total damage reductionDPS 17k, HP 45k, armor 7.5k
I plan on increasing my DPS to approx 23k
I'm a little pissed that almost all high stat for barbs/all resist is in such stupid demand that it's hard to buy anything worth owning
I predict I'll jump into inferno and get slaughtered still
cpp_is_king
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Ok I basically farmed a bit today on hell (
DPS 17k, HP 45k, armor 7.5k
I plan on increasing my DPS to approx 23k
I'm a little pissed that almost all high stat for barbs/all resist is in such stupid demand that it's hard to buy anything worth owning
I predict I'll jump into inferno and get slaughtered still
How do you have that much dps never having been to inferno? Are you going DW or 2h? Or using offensive passives?
Stacking the hell out of STR... Getting a high DPS weapon (1H)
Im actually holding back a bit... I could have 20+ k DPS by just using a 2H weap, but I really need a shield now... So I'm going to save money to get a 1k+ weap... Hopefully with barb stats if possible
TheHakku
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My first decent rare. What's the value if I put it up-- about 1mil? More/less?
You can actually look this up in the AH. Apparently 1mil would be a steal given the going rates for this.
SerArthurDayne
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My first decent rare. What's the value if I put it up-- about 1mil? More/less?
Probably more. Magic find good, attack speed good, armor good, all resist good. Only downsides are no vit and weak primary for either monk or Barb and no sockets.
MomoPufflet
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I looked it up, that's how I came up with the 1mil estimate. It's the first good item I've tried to sell though, so I wanted to make sure I wasn't making a mistake.
Houston3000
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Unfortunately I think that staff probably goes for 5k or so on the AH, if it sells at all.
Lost Fragment
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My first decent rare. What's the value if I put it up-- about 1mil? More/less?
No int, no sockets. So it's at the low end of what a Tal chestpiece is gonna be worth. It has a nice armor bonus/all resist roll though so you could maaaaaybe get around 750k.
We need to inform all of GAF that 1000 dps two handers are given away for free.
PistolGrip
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What character type would buy this? Seems pretty shitty to me.
Probably more. I could see a DH picking it up with the AS, maybe a monk although it has no vit.
Never underestimate IAS. Res all and defense are both obviously very good. Can't compete with gg rare plates but it's still has a lot of things people want.
JohnOfMars
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Just hit level 50. Am I ready for Hell?
SerArthurDayne
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I didn't realize it is actually was a Wizard set piece. No int really hurts for that. As it stands, with the high armor and resists it is a decent piece, but the lack of vitality or sockets hurts.
Lost Fragment
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Maybe. The dex is definitely a plus, but +40 dex is so low that I don't think it's going to increase the value by a ton. Maybe that's just me.
RiccochetJ
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I'm trying not to flood this thread with weapon appraisals but I just bought my very first thing and I think I got a pretty good deal though I still spent more money than I thought I ever would. Someone was selling this through the general chat (on the right)...
I paid 300k for it which seems like a lot but I've never seen anything with damage over 1,000, or even close to it for that matter. Plus I've saved my money till now (level 59) so I have a decent amount to spend.
Why not check the AH?
15k gets you a 1k dps staff in US
FieryBalrog
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Just beat Butcher on Act 1 normal in hardcore.
Hardcore way more tense, feels good man.
My level 60 Wiz is sitting in Act 1 Inferno and I don't really have motivation to continue with that until 1.03. Meanwhile my friends are chain-dying their way through Act 2, which reinforces the wisdom of my decision.
Hardcore way more tense, feels good man.
My level 60 Wiz is sitting in Act 1 Inferno and I don't really have motivation to continue with that until 1.03. Meanwhile my friends are chain-dying their way through Act 2, which reinforces the wisdom of my decision.
Like I vendor 1000 dps weapons because they're worthless, or not worth an auction slot.
RiccochetJ
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Like I vendor 1000 dps weapons because they're worthless, or not worth an auction slot.
Haha! Well if anything, my enchantress is going to get a decent dps upgrade. I might try and get something myself if sockets are available.
Like I vendor 1000 dps weapons because they're worthless, or not worth an auction slot.
Pretty much. If it's not high 1100's or 1200's, I toss it. Unless it's a one hander (or a 1000 DPS bow/crossbow).
FieryBalrog
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I have 100 hours in the game, and I still haven't seen a single Legendary drop.
(I have horrible luck in real life too)
You're not missing much.
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