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[Raticus79]

I finally worked out the bugs with my setup and got CM wizard / CS monk duo box working really well. I can start a party and have the "big two" covered, with two spots open for people to join playing whatever character they're working on. Act 2 mp10 was fine. Having the two makes handling those constructs a lot easier.

The monk runs crippling wave / rising tide (the 5 spirit on crit one), guiding light (from breath of heaven only), exploding palm and cyclone strike with the big AOE rune. The monk's on my second account so it's a bit gimpier since I'm missing my nice crafted stuff. Using near death experience for now since its hp's a bit low until I get the paragon levels up.

The wizard's my primary focus window. Crippling wave is the best attack for the monk because because it has more forgiving targeting (hits an arc) and doesn't knock things back. It actually kicks out a respectable number of cyclones when there's a group. Sucks a bit vs single targets, but it works well enough overall.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

My dudes kept getting split n I think that's cause one has skorn n one is dual wielding so their attack lengths varied so much. I plan to get a high attack speed n storm shield for the alt for closer attack speed n more defensive stats.

Crazy you can manage with two seperate classes.

 

[Fularu]

My HC barbarian is shaping up nicely

Lv 40 and outside of the Off hand (and the gems, obviously), everything she wears was found or crafted!

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Grosbill-1217/hero/34047388

I hope to reach lvl 60 before she dies (I'm starting Act II nightmare, playing on MP5)

Ever so slowly working my way through HC as a WD.

I have a legendary mojo I found that I can give you (it's lvl 9 though), and I can always give you stuff for your wd if you want.

 

[Wallach]

I honestly don't see how it's much better than bears. Either way, all aboard the WD train, most fun class to play from my experience.

The effective DPS is quite a bit higher (topping at 1,000% after 5 seconds of sustained channeling) but it's a tradeoff for very limited range and being more vulnerable. Personally I'd rather the damage did not scale as high but the radius of the cloud grew with each tick so it wouldn't be so finicky to use, but when you can sit and channel there's nothing that can do as much damage for a WD.

 

[VALKYRAY]

I think its fine as is.

Little babbies not getting good drops crying about their loot stinking. No shit if everything dropped good then nobody would buy anything nothing would be in demand and everyone would play MP10 on Inferno all day and steamroll it.

Thered be no friggen point to the game it would be point and click advenure of kill everything easily and never die and everyone high five.

A good drop needs to be EXTREMELY rare in an economy that the goods never leave (softcore). Or else eventually everyone will be swinging 1300dps socketed high crit damage echoing furies with 6% crit mempos.

You do have a point there. But the problem with this game is it is impossible to become mp10 capable through self found. Back in d2 it was possible, but hard.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

You do have a point there. But the problem with this game is it is impossible to become mp10 capable through self found. Back in d2 it was possible, but hard.

Yea those crafts helped. They could do more of those.

 

[V_Arnold]

You do have a point there. But the problem with this game is it is impossible to become mp10 capable through self found. Back in d2 it was possible, but hard.

It is actually more possible now than it ever was. And it will only be more and more easy to accomplish over time. Two days after I started playing again, I was able to craft better stuff for five of my slots than I had there before - and what I had there was 20-30mill+ items, bought from the AH.

 

[Raticus79]

I'm fine with it becoming easier to gear up self found. Should be able to hit like 80% of ideal stats with around 100 hours of farming, and ramp up the curve from there so people are trading the 90+ percentile stuff for the big bucks.

 

[VALKYRAY]

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Violentine-1122/hero/31912974
This is my profile
Amulet: 250 usd
Mempo: 90 usd
Vile: 99 mil
Chest: 989 mil
Belt: 950 mil
Pants: 400 mil
Gloves: 99 usd
Bracers: 100 crafts lucky
Hellfire: 50 crafts lucky
Ring2: 7 usd
Ef: 149 usd
Sword: 480 mil
Boots: 200 mil
Total: 3.12 bil, 595 usd, 150 crafts

You can get this level of gear in d2 just by playing the game. D3? Never. Even for crafting. Just the other day I read someone crafted 2000 amulets and only got few trifecta and they were not even good.
Sure guaranteed main stat helps, but 99.99% crafted is still trash.
Trash rolls like damage to melee, health globe, gold find needs to be eliminated, that's how to fix this game itemization.
Yes if it does come, it will render my items value significantly, but I just want the game to be good. I want to play the game and looting things whereas time spent and nothing achieved.

 

[TUSR]

thats absolutely fucking mental wow.

 

[VALKYRAY]

Kingkonger crafted 1001 amulets.

Spoiler

all bad

http://youtu.be/_Fo9W0DJafk

 

[Shadow780]

Kingkonger crafted 1001 amulets.

Spoiler

all bad

http://youtu.be/_Fo9W0DJafk

At least this guy is pretty positive, I would've cried so hard if 1001 are all shit.

I got my CC/CD ammy on after 20ish craft.

Diablo 3 in a nutshell pretty much.

 

[MrDaravon]

Amulets are BY FAR the hardest thing to get a good craft on just due the number of possible rolls and what you need. I was able to craft good shoulder/bracer/glove upgrades for 2 different characters at probably less than a thousand crafts total (mostly just had problems with gloves on the 2nd character, ~260 there). I occasionally try a few amulets just for laughs, but that shit is not happening.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Just popping in after not playing for about a year...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Violentine-1122/hero/31912974
This is my profile
Amulet: 250 usd
Mempo: 90 usd
Vile: 99 mil
Chest: 989 mil
Belt: 950 mil
Pants: 400 mil
Gloves: 99 usd
Bracers: 100 crafts lucky
Hellfire: 50 crafts lucky
Ring2: 7 usd
Ef: 149 usd
Sword: 480 mil
Boots: 200 mil
Total: 3.12 bil, 595 usd, 150 crafts

You can get this level of gear in d2 just by playing the game. D3? Never. Even for crafting. Just the other day I read someone crafted 2000 amulets and only got few trifecta and they were not even good.
Sure guaranteed main stat helps, but 99.99% crafted is still trash.
Trash rolls like damage to melee, health globe, gold find needs to be eliminated, that's how to fix this game itemization.
Yes if it does come, it will render my items value significantly, but I just want the game to be good. I want to play the game and looting things whereas time spent and nothing achieved.

Kingkonger crafted 1001 amulets.

Spoiler

all bad

http://youtu.be/_Fo9W0DJafk

Amulets are BY FAR the hardest thing to get a good craft on just due the number of possible rolls and what you need. I was able to craft good shoulder/bracer/glove upgrades for 2 different characters at probably less than a thousand crafts total (mostly just had problems with gloves on the 2nd character, ~260 there). I occasionally try a few amulets just for laughs, but that shit is not happening.

 

[spindoctor]

Suddenly I don't feel like complaining about my drops/crafts anymore. That's such bullshit that I think it almost deserves its own thread.

I crafted 50 demonics into ammys/gear yesterday. Not one single good item. And I don't even have great gear that it would take some godlike rolls to replace items. What a mess.

At least this guy is pretty positive, I would've cried so hard if 1001 are all shit.

The guy had 28 billion gold and people were donating money to him while he was livestreaming this. It matters nothing to him. For regular players it's an unmitigated disaster.

 

[MrDaravon]

Amulets are the only gear craft that are really costly though (brimstone, gem and higher gold cost). The crafting cost on the other pieces are pretty negligible, with the only barrier really being the demonic essences, and if you're just farming for those you can clear those pretty fast. My ~1000 crafts or whatever was just from me playing normally for a couple of weeks, if you wanted to go in hard and get DEs for crafting you could probably clear 500+ in a weekend, if not more.

Just popping in after not playing for about a year...

My thousand crafts for 6 upgrades for two character was along the way of maybe ~40-50 hours of normal play where I did substantial leveling and other things. If spending that amount of time to craft high-end upgrades for the highest difficulty settings in a loot game is too much for you, then yes you're playing the wrong game.

 

[partyphone]

yeah. they've really leveled out the curve. getting good loot is easy now. it just gets exponentially more difficult to get perfect loot. which is the way it should be.

although it's a problem when you're getting a hundred rares an hour and pretty much everyone single one is trash. the 5000+ iridescent tears in my stash speak to the itemization problem.

 

[DirtyLary]

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Violentine-1122/hero/31912974
This is my profile
Amulet: 250 usd
Mempo: 90 usd
Vile: 99 mil
Chest: 989 mil
Belt: 950 mil
Pants: 400 mil
Gloves: 99 usd
Bracers: 100 crafts lucky
Hellfire: 50 crafts lucky
Ring2: 7 usd
Ef: 149 usd
Sword: 480 mil
Boots: 200 mil
Total: 3.12 bil, 595 usd, 150 crafts

You can get this level of gear in d2 just by playing the game. D3? Never. Even for crafting. Just the other day I read someone crafted 2000 amulets and only got few trifecta and they were not even good.
Sure guaranteed main stat helps, but 99.99% crafted is still trash.
Trash rolls like damage to melee, health globe, gold find needs to be eliminated, that's how to fix this game itemization.
Yes if it does come, it will render my items value significantly, but I just want the game to be good. I want to play the game and looting things whereas time spent and nothing achieved.

Blows my mind. People pay this kind of money for intangible objects in a video game that will be obsolete once the expansion comes out.

The sad thing is they spend this money to do exactly what I'm(anyone can do) already doing at mp10 with self found gear and crafting simply, grind and play the game.

You really think finishing up a run a few minutes quicker is going to change anything with this RNG "system" cough cough they implemented.

I guess the high paperdoll numbers make em fell good.


"There's a sucker born every minute"

 

[VALKYRAY]

Self found mp10? Post your profile plz.
People willing to buy a console just for one single game. What do you say for that?

 

[Raticus79]

Blows my mind. People pay this kind of money for intangible objects in a video game that will be obsolete once the expansion comes out.

The sad thing is they spend this money to do exactly what I'm(anyone can do) already doing at mp10 with self found gear and crafting simply, grind and play the game.

You really think finishing up a run a few minutes quicker is going to change anything with this RNG "system" cough cough they implemented.

I guess the high paperdoll numbers make em fell good.

"There's a sucker born every minute"

Bah, show some respect.

I spent about twice what Valkyray did (on this specific character), but back before the patch that doubled legendary drop rates so I don't have much to show for it . I've toned it down since then. Personally I expected to be able to make some of it back - nope, not really. The expected return on farming is a few cents an hour. Hindsight's 20/20 though. For a lot of us, that amount of money just isn't a big deal.

I'd like to see your profile too. Doing mp10 at a decent pace self found is technically possible since you just had to be lucky.

 

[Vodh]

Itemization in D3 sucks not because you can't get godly gear by just playing*, but because it's boring and in the long run doesn't offer significant variety.

If you think you could get roughly $700 worth of gear in D2 by "just playing" and think it would take significantly less time than grinding $700 worth of gear in D3, keep on dreaming. Unless your argument is that endgame gear was more common - I've D2 for about 1k hours, so I wouldn't really know.

*

Spoiler

well, that too, but you absolutely can get MP1-3 viable gear with just a little bit of farming so it's a lesser concern. Nobody's forcing you to play MP10 and personally I find it pretty boring.

 

[MrDaravon]

Blows my mind. People pay this kind of money for intangible objects in a video game that will be obsolete once the expansion comes out.

The sad thing is they spend this money to do exactly what I'm(anyone can do) already doing at mp10 with self found gear and crafting simply, grind and play the game.

You really think finishing up a run a few minutes quicker is going to change anything with this RNG "system" cough cough they implemented.

I guess the high paperdoll numbers make em fell good.


"There's a sucker born every minute"

I personally think you're crazy to spend high amounts of actual money for items, but people can do what they want. But if you're going to be a dick about it, I also want a link to your profile where you are doing MP10 with self-found gear.

 

[eek5]

all my characters are self-found*

Spoiler

*found all that shit on the auction house myself!

 

[Raticus79]

Hey eek is your avatar a Cait Sith reference or just a big coincidence?

 

[VALKYRAY]

Itemization in D3 sucks not because you can't get godly gear by just playing*, but because it's boring and in the long run doesn't offer significant variety.

If you think you could get roughly $700 worth of gear in D2 by "just playing" and think it would take significantly less time than grinding $700 worth of gear in D3, keep on dreaming. Unless your argument is that endgame gear was more common - I've D2 for about 1k hours, so I wouldn't really know.

*

Spoiler

well, that too, but you absolutely can get MP1-3 viable gear with just a little bit of farming so it's a lesser concern. Nobody's forcing you to play MP10 and personally I find it pretty boring.

Getting high end gears in d2 is much much easier than d3. Why? Top legendaries don't suck in d2. when A high level rune dropped, it is a high level rune. In d3, getting a mempo or ef is already extremely rare, then on top of that, 99.99% of these drops are terrible trash. If you think d2 drop = d3 drop, think again

 

[eek5]

Hey eek is your avatar a Cait Sith reference or just a big coincidence?

coincidence but cait sith is awesome

 

[Karsticles]

Kingkonger crafted 1001 amulets.

Spoiler

all bad

http://youtu.be/_Fo9W0DJafk

Wow, itemization has changed a lot from D2. Almost any of those would have been top tier loot in that game.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

People can spend their money however they want.*

*If you're going poor playing this game, stop you have an addiction.

I buy very few games and DIII I sink a ton of time (~700 hours so far) into so I'm fine putting a bit of money in here and there. Other people probably be spending 60 bucks on a new game or something so what the hells the difference? You get a new disc and another game to spend your time with?

Think I bought DIII and Sim City recently, woulda bought Halo 4 but the GF bought it for me. So I've spent 100 on games in the last year? I also dont have as much time to game so I like a default games I can always continue with instead of playing a ton of different games. I'll either get on Halo or get on DIII and relax after work.

Gaming is still a hell of a better value than other hobbies.

 

[Raticus79]

*If you're going poor playing this game, stop you have an addiction.

I'm actually surprised we don't have any of the usual gambling "get help if you need it" messages like casinos and those gambling machines in bars. I can definitely see people making bad decisions with DIII, playing drunk and so on with easy Visa access. Also surprised we haven't heard any news stories about people breaking the bank over it.

 

[Opiate]

Level 30 in HC now. Being extremely cautious.

 

[Liferebooted]

Is the best paragon leveling route still festering woods - leorics if you don't have 5 stacks - fields of misery, area south of the cemetery whatever its called and reset and repeat? I'm paragon 71 and its getting pretty slow =[

 

[xxjuicesxx]

Is the best paragon leveling route still festering woods - leorics if you don't have 5 stacks - fields of misery, area south of the cemetery whatever its called and reset and repeat? I'm paragon 71 and its getting pretty slow =[

Yea n make sure you hit up decaying crypts in FoM and the cave in Weeping Hollows and the cave in FoM if its there, not the mission caves but the alternate optional ones they are usually straight lines filled with elites.

N it probably aint gonna get any faster.

 

[Jrmint]

Level 30 in HC now. Being extremely cautious.

Doing self found?

 

[MrDaravon]

Just hit 47 with my Barb and got access to Into the Fray for Battle Rage.

Holy goddamn shit this class is broken. I mean, I already knew it was, but now actually experiencing it firsthand...fuck.

 

[eek5]

Just hit 47 with my Barb and got access to Into the Fray for Battle Rage.

Holy goddamn shit this class is broken. I mean, I already knew it was, but now actually experiencing it firsthand...fuck.

You think I joke around when I say BARB OP!?!

 

[xxjuicesxx]

What? Its hard as hell holding down HOTA. My fingers get very tired.

 

[Raticus79]

What's the effective DPS multiplier like for HOTA?

Monk and grenades DH are about 7x
Wiz 10x
Bats WD about 10x base, 15x with average running buffs

 

[MrDaravon]

You think I joke around when I say BARB OP!?!

I don't take anything you say seriously.

Also I'm having a hard time finding anything on really basic Barb stuff, because most stuff seems to either be super old or assumes that you already know this stuff. Am I correct in assuming that Skorn is the way to go assuming that your IAS% is already high enough to hit whatever breakpoint you're shooting for, otherwise dual wield is the way to go? Also should I just not be bothering using a Fury generator? I'm seeing people use a mismash of a Fury generator, Rend, HotA, or Overpower, but not really seeing any explanation of why they're using that over any of the others.

As far as I'm seeing the requirements for any build are pretty much:
-Whirlwind/Hurricane
-Battle Rage/Into the Fray
-Sprint/Run Like the Wind
-Wrath of the Berserker/Thrive on Chaos

Which leaves two slots. Then for passives it seems like everyone uses Weapons Master, Ruthless and then either Brawler or Bloodthirst.

 

[Raticus79]

Check out Chazzer's act 2 rend build/run video on /r/diablo. Best exp run (beats act 1) and good barb advice. He's got some sick gear but the same idea works for lower mp. I'll try to dig up the link.

Edit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/1f0elu/optimized_whirlrend_108_act_2_xp_farming_route/

 

[MrDaravon]

Check out Chazzer's act 2 rend build/run video on /r/diablo. Best exp run (beats act 1) and good barb advice. He's got some sick gear but the same idea works for lower mp. I'll try to dig up the link

Was it this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/1f3ek1/guide_to_building_a_barb_in_108/

I saw this, but it's a bit confusing because for the WW/Rend build in the text he recommends a Skorn and suggest for DW going with the WT/HotA/Leap, but then in the video he's DW but using the WW/Rend setup. And then at the end when he's showing the gear he's on a WT/HotA/Leap setup. So I'm slightly confused.

I think ideally I'd want to dual wield, but I have no desire whatsoever to fuck with Weapon Throw or Leap, should I just rock the WW/Rend build until I hit higher breakpoints then switch over from DW to a Skorn? As far as I can tell the main issues with the WW/Rend build is that if you dual wield it's not as high as damage potential with a Skorn, and Rend in particular is also affected by that.

 

[Raticus79]

This one: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/1f0elu/optimized_whirlrend_108_act_2_xp_farming_route/

He actually uses different gear for getting started in VOTA and swaps to Skorn after.

 

[Opiate]

Doing self found?

Absolutely not. I've said this before on here -- I love the AH, and have no interest in being a manly man. I do have 1.5m hardcore gold now, though!

I love challenges, but generally only if they are built in to the mechanics of the game (e.g. hardcore mode is a real mode in Diablo, and I wouldn't create my own "hardcore" mode where I pretended to only have 1 life and deleted a character the first time it died).

Whatever you do, never get cocky. I was steamrolling NM Act1 when I got a bit cocky, got stunned and then killed as suddenly another elite pack appeared. Really, just stay away from anything that can stun you.

Yes, being very careful in this way.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Juices-1991/hero/27578243

dual wield.

 

[spindoctor]

The fear proc on EF is the worst thing ever :|

 

[VALKYRAY]

What's the effective DPS multiplier like for HOTA?

Monk and grenades DH are about 7x
Wiz 10x
Bats WD about 10x base, 15x with average running buffs

Not sure where those number from, but my barb kills things a lot faster than my monk. A lot.
My barb has lower unbuffed dps too. (No passives)

 

[xxjuicesxx]

I think its about SMASH SMASH.2 x effective DPS.

Barbs dont do DPS bragging, we just smash.

 

[Raticus79]

Oh, you just time how long it takes you to kill ghom (for example) and divide its HP by kill time to get your effective DPS. Then divide that by your sheet DPS to get the multiplier.

 

[Liferebooted]

Are there any addons that will track how much EXP\hour I'm making without getting me banned?

 

[Fularu]

While I'm late to the "selffound MP10" debate, I'd like to point out that my barb can do MP10 just fine and the only non crafted/not self found items are :

- MH
- One ring
- Helm
- Boots

Everything else was either found or crafted

/shrug

It's possible to get there, you just have to be:

- Poor (My budget is 45 million gold, not going to buy much with that)
- Patient
- In no need to pull out 450k unbuffed DPS in diabloprogress.

Level 30 in HC now. Being extremely cautious.

45 here! I'm still in NM Act 2, so very few things can kill me before The Archive (fuck those fire things), not with the amount of HP/dPS I have (15k / 2.5k). Doing MP5 makes it intense

 

[jns]

I created a HC WD.

Character Linky
I'm about lvl 48, just started last act in NM. HC is heaps of fun; had a few brown-trousers moments. I was playing on my laptop last night and the game hung when I was fighting a pack of blues and a yellow with minions. It was a frantic time logging in to see if my char had died or not.

I've used the AH a bit for buying and selling. I have nearly a million gold atm which is fantastic and have spent around 400k gold total on this run. My spend would have been a lot less except i sold a pretty decent bit of gear at lvl 21 for 450k which gave me a bit of breathing room to buy.

I'll definitely play more HC after this guy dies I think. Lot's of fun!