Digital Foundry: Assassin's Creed Shadows - PS5 Pro vs PS5 Review - One Of The Best Upgrades For The System
kruis
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We're currently in a transition period between baked lighting and global illumination. Software developers are expected to provide both options (ie do twice the work) in order to support every console/PC set up, but that transition period is going to end at some point. What will happen is that developers will slowly abandon baked lighting. They'll still support it, but they won't put in the work anymore in order to save money.
I don't mind. I'm good with an RTX 40090 PC setup and a PS5 Pro.
James Sawyer Ford
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Twice the cost?
The cost is 40% more, the upgrade in the pic shown is 50% more frames
owandeseis
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Yea it's not "just RTGI", there are games where adding some RT techniques isn't worth at all, but there are others like this one or Silent Hill 2 with hardware Lumen for example where it's transformative and much better than just raising the internal resolution or other graphic settings.
But the reality is on consoles only the Pro has a good/great 60 FPS option, and thanks to the extra frames, the image quality will be way higher than on base consoles 30-40 FPS mode too when in motion.
This said, i gotta admit the Pro's Quality mode looks incredible, wouldn't go for it over the 60 FPS of course but wow, so crisp and with so many great effects.
Too bad it's still a Ubisoft game, so a hard pass, but their graphic/technical team is great and they are delivering some of the best looking games this generation
But the reality is on consoles only the Pro has a good/great 60 FPS option, and thanks to the extra frames, the image quality will be way higher than on base consoles 30-40 FPS mode too when in motion.
This said, i gotta admit the Pro's Quality mode looks incredible, wouldn't go for it over the 60 FPS of course but wow, so crisp and with so many great effects.
Too bad it's still a Ubisoft game, so a hard pass, but their graphic/technical team is great and they are delivering some of the best looking games this generation
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Joel Was Right
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The hair strand mode being unavailable in Performance Mode is very disappointing. It was stunning in Dragon Age.
Synastry
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rofif
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based on re4 remake pc... the hair strands is almost free. Its not that expensive to use
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It isn't tho.
All 4 pictures show Balanced mode, which runs at 40fps with the same visual and RT settings on both.
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DenchDeckard
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That will be a game changer. Too similar to base ps5 at the minute.
DenchDeckard
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No it isn't. It's balanced mode on both which is 40fps on both consoles.
You see. It's a poor showing right now.
Sooner
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I can't believe
adamsapple
is still fighting his war. Almost all his cohorts like Catlady, etc have all given up and went into hiding.
DarkMage619
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viveks86
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With PSSR being added at or post launch, that could change. Here’s hoping they have their own denoising solution in place for the RTGI
Kvally
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I ended up cancelling the pre-order on my Xbox and just bought it for my Pro instead. Downloading now.I only play performance modes and this is an impressive upgrade.
Gaiff
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Sorry, initially rated your post as funny when I wanted to like it. I did a bunch of napkin maths and it checks out.
The base PS5 in its Balanced Mode retains the RTGI, meaning it cost around 8.33ms of rendering time. The Pro is said to have a GPU up to 45% better and RT that is 2-4x faster. Let's go with the lower end of the scale and assume 30% like we've seen in boost mode and a few other games and 2x faster RT.
Base PS5 without RT: 60fps or 16.66ms
Pro without RT: 78fps or 12.82ms
Base PS5 with RTGI: +8.33ms, bringing the rendering time to 25ms or 40fps
Pro with RTGI: + 4.16ms bringing the rendering time to 16.99 ms or 58.85fps
However, the PS5 also improves the resolution from the 60fps mode to Quality Mode, meaning that part of the additional 8.33ms is also used to increase the pixel count, not just add RTGI. This also means that the additional 4.16ms on the Pro for RTGI should be lower because it halves 8.33ms that is actually used for RTGI+resolution increase...BUT the resolution bump is minimal, only going from a bottom of 810p DRS to a bottom of 900p. As you can see with the simple math I did, the Pro falls slightly beneath 60fps, so they probably used that tiny bit of leftover power to get the Pro over 60fps all the time. It's probably like 0.5ms or some shit. No resources left to do anything significant.
Of course, this is all assuming the lower bounds for most things.
Topher
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Hopefully it will also solve the problem it has had with RT in general.
sncvsrtoip
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Defenitly brainer as performance mode resolution is low so image quality rather poor
saintjules
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Nevermind, posted above.
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Fake
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I hope they take their time to implement right.
Bojji
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Performance is missing RT reflections, hair strands and has worse shadow quality.
PSSR may have bigger cost than TAAU they use so game will probably LOOK better (depending if they fixed PSSR+RT) but for sure they won't have room to add graphical features.
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mckmas8808
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It's almost as if they believe we can't see what the RT reflections look like for ourselves.
Pedro Motta
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DeVeAn
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Yeah performance mode was the easy pick until I saw the hair... Seems dopey to complain about the hair but it looks that good.
saintjules
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Wondering if this can be explained a bit. I legit never thought that the hair strand was such a big deal breaker in gaming? I never pay much attention to that kind of stuff.
Cool if the strands look nice, but I would never say I wouldn't play a game if it lacked it. Any thoughts?
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mckmas8808
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Not all of us thinks every game has to be 60 fps though. And not all of us have 120hz TVs.
Bojji
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In this scene it's sharper, yeah. But game has dynamic res and colors/contrasts are better with RTGI.
In most scenes it looks very close:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
DRS is in-play, you'll probably notice things like that even on the same console on different runs. The resolution metrics and what range DF sampled multiple places are more or less similar with little differences on average.
Also, cut-scenes on all seem to revert back to 30FPS, so Pro will have a greater improvement in higher DRS there over base console, I reckon.
er ... well we're in a DF topic afterall, we're going by what their content says for the discussion.
It's kinda hard to tell what's being reflected in the examples they showed.
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The pop-in is pretty easy to notice tho.
Pedro Motta
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All these screnes are sharper on Pro, nothing to do with RTGI. Could be better yes, but they are effectively sharper.In this scene it's sharper, yeah. But game has dynamic res and colors/contrasts are better with RTGI.
In most scenes it looks very close:
Arsic
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Isn’t it 1080p upscaled?
DeVeAn
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Yeah, I'm thinking I won't miss it. You saw how the hair looked side by side though? Huge difference. Unless she puts a hat on later and makes it a moot point?
EDIT: She wears a hood lol. How I missed that?
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saintjules
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I did and I was I was just thinking that. Once a hat is on, does it even matter?
Edit: Maybe
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TehGoomba7s
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Someone needs to tell him that the resident GAF Xbox warriors have spent all day downplaying his work as nothing
Topher
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In this scene it's sharper, yeah. But game has dynamic res and colors/contrasts are better with RTGI.
In most scenes it looks very close:
The hero here for the Pro version is definitely RTGI. The Pro resolution could be a bit sharper and I still don't think it would stand out nearly as much as the lighting does.
poppabk
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Eh it's RTGI and I thought we all collectively agreed that RTGI isn't worth the cost. Better to have increased resolution than this barely noticeable lighting change.I only play performance modes and this is an impressive upgrade.
/s
Topher
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lol....sarcasm noted. I'll fall back on what I said in that thread. Is it worth it if it means 30fps? Not to me. This is 60fps though and it is well worth it here. This kind of difference is why I bought PS5 Pro.
Mr Moose
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Apart from the shadows, reflections and hair you mean?
viveks86
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I fall in both those categories. I'm just saying the gains are minimal for this game on the other modes. Playing at 30 fps on base and pro are more or less the same experience at the moment. The RT reflections are only looking noisier than the base, so the overall pro "win" here does come with a big caveat of "if you play in performance mode". That part is undeniable, but also undeniable is the significant difference in performance mode. I wanted to call out those cherry picking the other modes to completely downplay any win at all.
If they eventually throw in PSSR (as suggested by their dev) on top of this without reducing internal resolution AND don't add new artifacts like jedi survior, outlaws, sh2 or avatar, this might turn out out to be a win for all 3 modes. But that remains to be seen. Hopefully Anvil handles it better than UE or Snowdrop
sncvsrtoip
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yes but it can drop even below 1080
adamsapple
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No PC video so far, probably in a day or two.
Although GAF's teenage love Alex has pointed out one issue with the PC version already. All versions of the game lock the cut-scenes to 30, the PC version apparently locks at 31, which causes judder.
DenchDeckard
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You can seriously see a noticeable difference? You think you could spot that if someone was switching between versions?
I would bet 95 percent of people couldn't notice. But, if you see a drastic difference then cool
HeWhoWalks
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Christ!
Topher
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viveks86
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Alex PC rant video incoming?No PC video so far, probably in a day or two.
Although GAF's teenage love Alex has pointed out one issue with the PC version already. All versions of the game lock the cut-scenes to 30, the PC version apparently locks at 31, which causes judder.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Feels like it's mostly a fine port, just a few niggling things here and there.
You're probably gonna see mods to unlock cut-scenes to 60fps before Ubi puts out a patch to properly pace them at 30, I reckon.
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