Digital Foundry: Assassin's Creed Shadows - PS5 Pro vs PS5 Review - One Of The Best Upgrades For The System
MatrixReloaded101
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Didn't realize it only cost $699 to take a time travel trip back to Feudal Japan.
Bojji
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Yep, RTGI is the most important RT technique. This is where Pro can show its strength with with RDNA4 RT units.
Yes but there was nothing else in those games so you wouldn't be able to compare results with RTGI. Shadows has different seasons so number of baked light information would be quite insane not to mention time to do them.
Raytrace reflection
FalconPunch
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As nice as this is, it’s an AC game. Unfortunately I’ll only get to experience these graphics through YouTube as I’m certainly not paying for the game. There hasn’t been one good ac game since the ps360 era…
ChiefDada
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Lol. Bro is worse than me.
Skifi28
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I personally liked Origins and absolutely loved Odyssey, but each to their own.
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Buggy Loop
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Fall back solutions do not get the focus of course when found an implementation with RTGI that performs quite good. Making the open world baked lighting or light probes when you already have RTGI solution will just get the scraps. Artists hate placing lights. Probe systems are finicky and require a lot of manual work.
It'll disappear more and more through time and more games will force RT hardware.
About fucking time
GTA 6 will probably have no fallback. Will require RT hardware I 100% predict it.
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viveks86
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Look at how low the resolution is even without RTGI. They simply don't have headroom for better lighting on the base consoles at 60 fps. Perhaps all the other tech that has gone in, such as virtual geometry and other simulations is taking up available headroom. Easy to compare just lighting if we ignore so many other variables that have been added since the previous games.
In the end, this is par for the course for aging tech. There will be a phase when devs will stop giving a shit. And ubisoft, given an opportunity would be the first to not give a shit. Lol.
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Seomel
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Its bad if you stick your face to screen. Thats how df analysis usually are. If you are sitting normally few m away playing on large tv, you wont notice it that much
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
darrylgorn
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Hmm.. The title gives an impression that does not justify the actual results.
I would have expected at least 60fps performance with the quality mode for the other systems.
Correct me if I'm wrong but PS5 Pro can do FG can it not?
I would have expected at least 60fps performance with the quality mode for the other systems.
Correct me if I'm wrong but PS5 Pro can do FG can it not?
Nankatsu
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Despite all the delays, probably still had to cut some corners, and the hideout got that short end of the stick.
The difference between versions is clear, but some decisions on the Pro side don't make much sense.
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They say in the article that it's one of the best patches for Pro? Based on the summary and what they show, it wouldn't even be among the best upgrades, is more a decent upgrade.
In fact, only Performance Mode, thanks to the inclusion of RTGI vs. Performance Mode, could support that claim, and even then it falls far short of achieving anything close to what we've seen in other cases (e.g., FF VII Remake).
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NomenNescio
Dual Sense Edger and Blower
I wonder how a 5080 would perform in 4K DLSS Performance, Ultra Graphics.
viveks86
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Assuming the trailer was representative of gameplay, they are already running at 1440p 30 on the base console. The big lingering question is, will there be a 60 fps mode at all on base consoles (assuming CPU isn't the bottleneck). If they try to keep both RT reflections and (allegedly) RTGI, there is zero chance of that. With a non-RT fallback, may be.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Base consoles can too, games like Black Myth Wukong, Immortals of Aveum and First Descendant already use it.
Bojji
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Hair strands are not exactly very high quality. I have the same problem in RE4R with them. Nice tech but doesn't match rest of the game very well.
Balanced modes on base PS5 and Pro are the best way to play with RTGI+HS, of course depending on how much someone can tolerate 40fps.
Biggest difference between them is probably resolution but we don't have pixel counts from 120hz sadly...
FalconPunch
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That's fair. I tried origins and thought it was terrible. I really hate games with damage indicators over the enemies. It usually means the games enemies are hp sponges and combat doesn't feel visceral. It certainly felt that way with both origins and odyssey. There's a huge disconnect between having games that use rl weapons that we all know can kill in one hit, then taking a while to kill in game.
viveks86
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How hasn't anyone solved this yet?!
mansoor1980
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not impressed with the pro upgrade effort by ubisoft
-hideout still locked to 30 fps
-no hair strands in performance mode
-no rt reflections in balanced mode , and those reflections arent that impressive
-res count for pro is very close to base ps5 in all modes
-no pssr
-hideout still locked to 30 fps
-no hair strands in performance mode
-no rt reflections in balanced mode , and those reflections arent that impressive
-res count for pro is very close to base ps5 in all modes
-no pssr
RafterXL
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I thought the hair is one of the most noticeable graphical improvements. It looks really good on PC.
Bojji
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Shit capture cards? Sometimes tech is quite behind.
This could be a good thing, another Ubi game with RT and PSSR:
Could be in this game. In RE4 it's stupid that only MC has it and lighting doesn't even match the game very well.
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Lysandros
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I guess i am very much in the minority on not finding this PS5 PRO upgrade particularly impressive, there are better examples on using the additional headroom offered by the machine in my opinion. The 'uplift' in 40 FPS mode appears disappointingly light, the RT reflections are quite subpar with obvious popping, no pure IQ improvement in the performance mode etc. I don't thing Ubisoft spend that much of an effort on it.
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Buggy Loop
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I predict no. Maybe ~40 fps VRR
They would prefer inserting SSR reflections and removing RT reflections and also not doing alpha tests on vegetation for RTGI like they did with GTA 5 update than to revert to raster lighting I'd wager.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hair strands are not exactly very high quality. I have the same problem in RE4R with them. Nice tech but doesn't match rest of the game very well.
Balanced modes on base PS5 and Pro are the best way to play with RTGI+HS, of course depending on how much someone can tolerate 40fps.
Biggest difference between them is probably resolution but we don't have pixel counts from 120hz sadly...
Truth be told I always play RE4make with the strand hair off and can barely tell the difference.
DenchDeckard
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Hair strands are not exactly very high quality. I have the same problem in RE4R with them. Nice tech but doesn't match rest of the game very well.
Balanced modes on base PS5 and Pro are the best way to play with RTGI+HS, of course depending on how much someone can tolerate 40fps.
Biggest difference between them is probably resolution but we don't have pixel counts from 120hz sadly...
those last 4 shots. Literally the same image. same FPS. Twice the cost. Unbelievable upgrade indeed.
Bulletbrain
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The good:
RTGI is a massive boon to fidelity. It's great that the PRO can run it at 60fps. But then again, PS5/XSX owners can enjoy RTGI too, just at 40fps, but all in all everybody wins.
The not so good:
Wonder why the PRO couldn't have been pushed further. The PS5 can run RTGI with higher base resolution at 40fps, so why is PRO only managing the extra 20fps at lower base resolution? Doesn't seem to explain the extra firepower the PRO has on paper, over the base PS5?
RTGI is a massive boon to fidelity. It's great that the PRO can run it at 60fps. But then again, PS5/XSX owners can enjoy RTGI too, just at 40fps, but all in all everybody wins.
The not so good:
Wonder why the PRO couldn't have been pushed further. The PS5 can run RTGI with higher base resolution at 40fps, so why is PRO only managing the extra 20fps at lower base resolution? Doesn't seem to explain the extra firepower the PRO has on paper, over the base PS5?
Fbh
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Idk, not to be a hater but this seems more like a "good but not great" upgrade.
Performance mode gets a good upgrade with the RT, though it's a shame they couldn't improve the IQ over the base model (or offer a higher resolution performance mode with no RT).
The other 2 modes seem to get a surprisingly small boost in resolution.
And overall this still falls short from the "quality mode but at 60fps" premise of the pro.
Performance mode gets a good upgrade with the RT, though it's a shame they couldn't improve the IQ over the base model (or offer a higher resolution performance mode with no RT).
The other 2 modes seem to get a surprisingly small boost in resolution.
And overall this still falls short from the "quality mode but at 60fps" premise of the pro.
Pedro Motta
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It's a lot shaper than the performance mode on Base PS5..
Black_Stride
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Corporal.Hicks
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According to Elanalistadebits 40fps mode runs at dynamic 1440p.
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darrylgorn
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Got it.
So I say this as someone who is fine with being on PC (and using it basically for mid range quality specs) but it seems like consoles are getting shafted here.
Yes, you do get what you pay for but there is clearly a trend happening where developers are not making a sufficient effort to optimize their games on consoles.
intbal
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Or, at 60fps, when it's a better engine.
One of the best games this generation.
viveks86
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IF you own a pro and choose not to play on performance mode, then yes, it's an underwhelming upgrade. But if you are trying to dismiss the pro altogether by cherry picking the least impressive mode upgrades in a ubisoft game... what's wrong with you?
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But It is not apple to apple comparassion.Or, at 60fps, when it's a better engine.
The work in AC Shadows is very decent on all platforms considering in my opinion
mansoor1980
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how does the hideout run in the PC version ?
Dr.Morris79
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Kvally
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lol framegen is not "optimization", its just another trick for lazy devs with messy results.
if it were a standard on consoles, you bet it would be abused to hell and then some, marketing 20fps games as 60 etc.
also "developers are not making a sufficient effort to optimize their games on pc" is more like whats happening.
thats why you end up with, every other release running like dogshit and stutter like mf on $2k+ builds
Bojji
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It has almost the same resolution and looks the same (including sharpness) as well when it comes to image quality.
Of course RTGI makes the big difference here.
Look at this part in 4K (timestamped):
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Yeah I spoke to soon, FFS!Don't pay too much attention though
Performance mode is where there is a meaningful uplift
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