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[yamaci17]

I think you're reeeeally underestimate how important the CPU is for gaming. A mid CPU paired with the most excellent of GPUs results in a super stuttery experience, it's generally preferable to have a slightly worse GPU with a much better CPU.

yeah CPU stuff sucks



this game locks to an almost perfect 60 on series x yet this is what a ryzen 5600 can muster apparently

 

[Kataploom]

Way better CPU to do what exactly?

It's clear you will be GPU limited way before the CPU becomes a bottleneck unless you want to play 360p/240 fps

As in any PC, but consoles are bottlenecked by CPU in current gen games, which is something people don't take into account when comparing "similar PCs", since the consoles can still lose because of it.

I play on 8GB at 1440p target... in Doom TDA DLSS Quality mode (internal 960p), Console equivalent settings + RT reflections, lowest texture pool settings, I am at 7~7.2 GB VRAM

it's getting extremely close on 8GB, and my PC was meant for current gen consoles and is almost 5 yeads old.

this thing releases a year before the rumoured next gen Xbox

Well, that's good enough, still better than consoles which only have SSR. Not for me personally, but I think it could easily justify ~$650 considering the prices of current gen consoles

 

[Neo_game]

The GPU has a newer architecture and infinite cache which can make up for the difference, not to mention the way WAY better CPU. I still think the VRAM is a mistake, specially since it probably has a 128-bit bus, but I think all in all it will perform similarly, better here, worse there.

It has 7600m and worse than the PS5.

AMD Radeon RX 7600M Specs

AMD Navi 33, 2410 MHz, 1792 Cores, 112 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

It is 110w so basically same as above just running at boost clock constantly hence using 20w more.

 

[Kataploom]

It has 7600m and worse than the PS5.

AMD Radeon RX 7600M Specs

AMD Navi 33, 2410 MHz, 1792 Cores, 112 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

It is 110w so basically same as above just running at boost clock constantly hence using 20w more.

Maybe you're right, I said it's around PS5 and I'll hold on that until further benchmarks, yet the CPU is on another league even if some games run worse, some others will run better

 

[DenchDeckard]

Maybe you're right, I said it's around PS5 and I'll hold on that until further benchmarks, yet the CPU is on another league even if some games run worse, some others will run better

Yeah. It should be considerably more powerful on the CPU side

 

[Represent.]

Why are they releasing such a weak machine? I dont understand who this is for? If you want a weak PC, just build one?

 

[Mister Wolf]

Why are they releasing such a weak machine? I dont understand who this is for? If you want a weak PC, just build one?

To ease console players into PC gaming.

 

[March Climber]

The "it depends" is just a bunch of caveats and excuses. "Don't use raytracing, dont use Nvidia, dont use resolutions over 1080p, dont use the latest GPUs, yada yada yada." I honestly didnt care until I had to keep reading about you guys shitting on Windows acting like Linux is so much better now that you aren't bogged down by Windows background tasks. Come to find out it's just a bunch of bullshit. If you like Linux cool. Just dont lie.

People are trolling you, but ultimately you're right. There are caveats with Linux that people either brush over or sweep under the rug.

Things simply aren't where they need to be yet for surpassing windows entirely instead of just surpassing it in certain categories.

Edit: I think Valve could eventually do it, but it's going to take much more time. This hybrid console they are releasing is a good sign here because this means that all of this progress with dedicated hardware and Steam OS no longer feels experimental.

 

[Boy bawang]

Why are they releasing such a weak machine? I dont understand who this is for? If you want a weak PC, just build one?

A more streamlined, console like experience, a smaller footprint, and a lower price than a similar configuration with the trade-off of a hardware that can't be upgraded.
If the price is right, I'm the target of this machine.

 

[balls of snow]

Depends on the price and even then on sale. But I am totally interested in this being the super steamdeck that allows streaming to the deck hassle free. God knows trying to make moonlight/apollo not fuck up windows after every session is a herculean task.

 

[March Climber]

I'm very curious to see someone compare this Steam Machine experience to the ROG Ally desktop attachment.

 

[Mister Wolf]

I'm very curious to see someone compare this Steam Machine experience to the ROG Ally desktop attachment.

Aren't those eGPUs super expensive?

 

[March Climber]

Aren't those eGPUs super expensive?

It depends on the year edition, but yes the lowest price I have seen is 499.99

 

[MisterXDTV]

As in any PC, but consoles are bottlenecked by CPU in current gen games, which is something people don't take into account when comparing "similar PCs", since the consoles can still lose because of it.

No they aren't, since they target 60 fps and 95% of games reach them with that Zen 2 CPU

 

[PaintTinJr]

0:00:00 Introduction
0:01:11 Steam Machine overview
0:04:38 Specs and architecture
0:22:38 Other specs and capabilities
0:30:24 Steam Controller
0:36:26 Analysis and conclusion

Certainly an interesting device and pitch by Valve if they can get to £299/$299 for the base 512GB model with a Pad.

I don't fully agree with DF about the 8GB of VRAM given FSR4/5 will certainly find their way onto the device and from a native 720p or less, 8GBs should be more than adequate with the efficiency of Linux and Vulkan versus Windows and DirectX, and the 28 CUs each having cache and TOPs, being better than 16CUs with more VRAM , but on the basis of cost, the efficiency of Linux and balance with upgrade options, 12GBs or 16GBs of VRAM offset against less CPU RAM - 8GBs or 12GBs rather than 16GBs that could be upgraded rather than surface mounted, by replacing both, or a 4GB for an 8GB to get back to 16GBs - would have been a far superior forward looking device.

I think with Xbox advertising that it is the control pad added to another system that turns other devices into an Xbox makes this Steam controller/Steam/SteamOS and PlayStation's DualSense support on PC upgraded as a huge threat to what little market share Xbox has retained as a viable platform, and this device looks like a massive gateway opportunity to a SteamOS taking 5% market share away from Windows in the AA-AAA gaming going forward if that entry price I suggested is achievable.

If Valve treat this Stream Machine like it is their RaspberryPi, it could be super successful to sell many of us that don't actually need the device on the idea of buying one anyway, to then be happily surprised by what it delivers.

Cooling wise, they should have copied the Cube. One vent at the back is going to lead to overheating 18months down the line IMO. Better to have passive rear ventilation and active fan pass-thru cooling from right to left like the Cube does, and still works two decades later.