Sho_Nuff82
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This sounds a lot like what MS was saying before the Xbox One launch and the resolution fallout.
Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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This sounds a lot like what MS was saying before the Xbox One launch and the resolution fallout.
death of consoles and big screen gaming eh, not really. Big screen gaming is still there, just phones have a market several orders of magnitude larger, you know with billions of smart phones being in circulation......that's like saying fine cuisine is dead because there's a mcdonalds at every corner.
WiiU is 176.
KeyChainDude
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Yeah indeed, looking at it that way is a bit more optimistic. It's still disappointing from a console standpoint tho.
I guess it all comes down to the value of the offer. I'm not too happy right now, but if the price is $199~$229 it would certainly be a great deal for what we're getting, so let's hope for the best!
(I doubt it will be less than $249~$299 though).
I actually kind of agree with this. I read something from an interview with Miyamoto the other day that I found alarming.
http://www.glixel.com/interviews/shigeru-miyamoto-on-mario-minecraft-and-apple-w455043
Robert at Zeboyd Games
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The main thing this thread has taught me is that people seriously overestimate how powerful the Vita is and seriously underestimate how powerful the Wii U is.
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That comment was about the Japanese market where console sales are way down, with even the PS4 struggling, TV sales are way down etc.
Big screen console gaming is HUGE in the west. PS4 just hit 50 million consoles recently.
Nintendo is just stuck trying to find a way to satisfy both markets, and leaning toward the portable market as that's where they've had more success sans the Wii.
but what do the flops really mean when running. What I mean is, on this list the Switch is weaker than Wii U but we already saw breath of the wild running on Switch with a much smoother framerate and what some think to be 1080p on the TV.
Good question, since we found out back in 2012 the Wii U is only 176 GFLOPS.
What the fuck is going on here?
The WiiU is 176GFLOPS, people have no idea what they are quoting or how wrong it is.
I've read many many time on gaf the WIiU isn't that many flops. It's half of that
Schnozberry
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It really boils down to how much money there is up for grabs. If it becomes a gold rush, then relying on conventional wisdom becomes less valid. Nintendo has certainly strived to make Switch compatible with the most commonly used industry middleware, so it won't be a situation like the Wii U where developers abandon ship based on the toolchain alone, and then poor sales drives the rest of the nails into the coffin.
Boy Wander
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PS4 and Switch aren't designed to do the same thing at all - Let's see how far you get playing with your PS4 en route to work. I agree that my example was a little silly but the Switch, whilst being in the same sector as the PS4 and Xbone, clearly isn't designed to compete with them.
wowbaggerBR
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Nintendo gonna Nintendo.
BuggeryBugz
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I'll still buy one (depending on price in Australia) because I didn't have a Wii U and I love Nintendo games but it is very disappointing. Nintendo sure are trying everything they can to turn people away from their products. First with the Wii U, then the NES debacle where they didnt produce anywhere near enough and now with Super Mario Run which is $15 here in AUS.
MadJackChurchill
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MHz is not a reflection of performance. At all.
EDIT: Consider that Android is quite poor at hardware utilisation, the X1 was pretty throttled by the huge overhead of Android. A stripped down OS and Nvidia API will help close the gap a little bit.
Equanimity
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That can't be right. How can the portable Switch run Zelda Breath of the Wild with half the gflops of a Wii U?
Hawk269
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But in many horrid, I mean horrid IQ. Lego City Undercover which was one of my favorite Wii U games had such horrible IQ that it was an eyesore. It is easy to make 1080p games with good frame rates, but if you have ZERO AA and other IQ enhancements it makes games look pretty poor...fun, but poor.
Wolfgang Jr
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The Wii U is 176~Tflops
So, what we've found out is the Switch, when docked is 2x Wii U's duct taped together or in modern day terms; weak as piss.
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Exactly. That kind of stuff is so worrisome. And they got bold after their wild ideas with the Wii and DS were so successful.
Innovation is important. But money matters and it needs to be backed with tons of relevant market research that shows that the idea is likely to sell in the markets that matter most financially.
Lowered resolution, IQ etc.?
Sho_Nuff82
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This thread reminded me of this gem in 2012: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=469109
The more things change...
The more things change...
Because it isn't. It's drivel.
Since when is 360 more powerful than PS3? I thought PS3 had more flops, just a nightmare CPU to develop for.
Boy Wander
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That's a fucking powerful Wii U you've got there...
MadJackChurchill
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GFLOPS* lol. 5 FLOPS is like a Macintosh Gen 1.
I already know that. I'm looking at how it's still barely more powerful than a PS3 according to this.
Ok...so whats the "sweet spot price" now ?
Could Nintendo surprise us and t launch it at US199,00 ?
Any price above this may put them in a very hard place, since we already have US249,00 deals for both Xbox One and PS4 Slim with a larger library and more power.
And Im pretty sure that at E3, a month after NS release, this will be the official price for both consoles.
Could Nintendo surprise us and t launch it at US199,00 ?
Any price above this may put them in a very hard place, since we already have US249,00 deals for both Xbox One and PS4 Slim with a larger library and more power.
And Im pretty sure that at E3, a month after NS release, this will be the official price for both consoles.
Something i wanted to say by the way.
As usual we've hoped a lot but in the end, we all knew the truth deep inside, from the start.
What can we learn from that leak...
Nintendo is still in a 2 generation cycle, production value wise.
Let's remember something. Nintendo had a LOT of trouble adapting to HD. They were super late for Mario 3D World and MK8, which both cost a lot and had more people working on it than before, way more (i think i remember a list of mario titles and the numer of people involved and it was scary).
Nintendo just did that move, 4-5 years ago.
They are keeping that global level of graphics for some times. So the Switch is an update in concept, but it's the continuity in term of assets.
If basically it's 2 WiiU duct tapped together, they'll have more confort running things, but expect same level of models etc.. With hopefully a better iq.
With Nintendo we never talk enough about that aspect i think. It's not only about hardware, it's about what they're able to output in term of graphics and game scale. They won't blindly go PS4 level when they can't handle BotW with horizon level of assets
As usual we've hoped a lot but in the end, we all knew the truth deep inside, from the start.
What can we learn from that leak...
Nintendo is still in a 2 generation cycle, production value wise.
Let's remember something. Nintendo had a LOT of trouble adapting to HD. They were super late for Mario 3D World and MK8, which both cost a lot and had more people working on it than before, way more (i think i remember a list of mario titles and the numer of people involved and it was scary).
Nintendo just did that move, 4-5 years ago.
They are keeping that global level of graphics for some times. So the Switch is an update in concept, but it's the continuity in term of assets.
If basically it's 2 WiiU duct tapped together, they'll have more confort running things, but expect same level of models etc.. With hopefully a better iq.
With Nintendo we never talk enough about that aspect i think. It's not only about hardware, it's about what they're able to output in term of graphics and game scale. They won't blindly go PS4 level when they can't handle BotW with horizon level of assets
efyu_lemonardo
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Stop quoting that post, even the parts that aren't incorrect are misleading.
Except the PS4 and Xbox One use directly comparable architecture
1.84 GFlops vs 1.31 GFlops = 40.5% difference
1080p vs 900p = 44% difference.
The resolution difference is pretty much correlated with the power difference.
Maxwell vs GCN for real-world gaming performance isn't 1:1 per FLOP, so you can't make a linear comparison. Not that that's going to make the Switch magically perform like a 720p version of current gen, but it's a lot closer than the raw numbers suggest.
$249 price point pretty much requires a pack-in game in my eyes. $199 w/ a pack-in would be fucking aces though.
Kssio_Aug
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Nope. The data is just wrong in that post.
I guess you didn't get the DBZ reference
Milly Osworth
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Insert Nintendo flop joke here.
I wonder what Nintendo will do if the Switch flops. Release a calculator?
THE:MILKMAN
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Not marketing (yet) but at the reveal they made a point of stating the Switch is their new home console even though the video favoured showing handheld play.
It is a shame because I really thought this was going to mark a change for Nintendo hardware.
Well....depends on what its being compared to.
Compared to the 3DS the Vita is a powerhouse.
Compared to the PS4, XBO the Wii U is weak.
Which all comes back to the issue Nintendo is gonna have with the Switch. Home console/handheld hybrid.
Home console first....you sure about that Nintendo?
lwilliams3
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The numbers are inaccurate and the more modern machines are more efficient:
The stars represent how modern:
PS3: 230 gflops *
360: 240 gflops *
WiiU: 176 gflops **
Xbone: 1.31 tflops ***
Ps4: 1.8 tflops ***
Pro: 4.2 flops ****
Scorpio: 6 tflops ****
Switch:
At least 157 gflops ****
At least 393 gflops ****
All the ones with "****" also has 2x fp16.
Otakumegane
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Not many people read Thraktor's post I presume.
In terms of performance per watt, more SM cores at a lower frequency gives better performance in exchange for a bigger and more expensive chip. The article and any subsequent flop calculations are all under the assumption of using 2 SM cores.
Bascially, until we know the SM score count all Switch flop calculations are speculation.
In terms of performance per watt, more SM cores at a lower frequency gives better performance in exchange for a bigger and more expensive chip. The article and any subsequent flop calculations are all under the assumption of using 2 SM cores.
Bascially, until we know the SM score count all Switch flop calculations are speculation.
AquaWateria
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Its rough being a Nintendo fan.....
And its not because of specs but people always saying dumb shit on Nintendo related threads.
And its not because of specs but people always saying dumb shit on Nintendo related threads.
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